The Tren(d)s!

[JKurz1]

Calling all Tren experts........what are the difference between the two esters? I realize one is shorter and one has a longer life (enth), but how do the two compare? Are these decent add-ons to the final few weeks or good front-loads in the first few weeks of a cycle? Mainly for cutting or bulking stage? (yes, I know, anything can be used for either one, but TYPICALLY speaking...)

 

[Ptr27]

I think that most will agree that the acetate is a little better but more frequent injects and as far as bulking or cutting - your right, it can be used for either. I've done it both ways. If I had to pick one I'd say I like it better for cutting b/c tren is one of those compounds that allows you to CUT AND GAIN new muscle even on a relatively low number of cals. After all that is what it is used for in cattle - many studies to show that when on tren cattle grow at an amazing rate even on half the food!
Hope that helps

 

[JKurz1]

thanks.....

 

[Apexx]

Given enough time and use the equivalent ratio of the two esters, you would get the exact same results. However if you are only looking to use it for a few weeks at a time, you would have to go with acetate since the enanthate will take a couple of weeks to kick in.

 

[Ulter]

No one understands esters better than I do. It's not that hard. But in real life, and for reasons that don't make sense to me, acetate is more powerful. Just like test suspension is more powerful than enanthate even if you get to the point where the blood levels "should" be the same. You can calculate the weight of the ester. You can do a spread sheet on at what point the levels of the drug are the same, like andy13 used to do all the time. But in the end the results come out different. Not drastically different but noticably different.

 

[Lowest]

I'll agree with Ulter, but for a different reason. Personally, I can't seem to handle more than about 400mg/week of tren enth. The pumps get so bad by the 4th week that I can't lift. Tren acetate, however, I can handle 100mg/day or more. Obviously, a large difference between 400 and 700+mg/week. So I get better overall results with acetate simply by virtue of being able to tolerate a much higher dose. However, the daily pokes preclude adding much of anything else to the cycle though, so when bulking I like tren enth along with test/eq, cutting I like just tren acetate/winny.

 

[JKurz1]

Good stuff....so let's say you had a bottle of tren enth........what is it usually 250mg? Could you take 500mg/wk for 5 weeks at the end or at the begging of a cycle and see decent results?

 

[Apexx]

No one understands esters better than I do. It's not that hard. But in real life, and for reasons that don't make sense to me, acetate is more powerful. Just like test suspension is more powerful than enanthate even if you get to the point where the blood levels "should" be the same. You can calculate the weight of the ester. You can do a spread sheet on at what point the levels of the drug are the same, like andy13 used to do all the time. But in the end the results come out different. Not drastically different but noticably different.

Really? I've never heard that before. Everything that I've read on the two suggests that yes one is more powerful, but as long as you adjust the dosage and cycle length accordingly the end result should be the same.

Just when you think you got something figured out there's always a twist.

 

[Ulter]

You know why I THINK that is. It's because people generally cycle a finite number of days. Say 8 weeks. If you use the acetate or suspension your protein synthesis is at full speed in 48 or 2 hours respectively. So you waste 3 weeks getting up to speed using a long ester and then stop at your 8 week mark, cutting short the growth period as compared to the short or no ester.

Spend a few cycles going back and forth. It's takes a couple years to see what I am talking about but it's a fun way to spend your time.