The safest steroid

[chaquito]

i would also say primobolan depot,

 

[genarr3]

I was being serious. Please let me explain. Ok, i am a teen (19) but 20 in a few months. however, i want my 1st cycle to be VERY light, non aromatisable, and with many universla benefits (basically the 'athletes' drug, winstrol). most athletes tke this drug, and with it their performance increases, muscle hardness increases, they drop bf, they gain SOME muscle (not an androgenic like other roids) etc

i hope u do understand my point. i will be doing a 12 week cycle with 100mg EOD injections. this, though i am not sure about. would i be better of taking winstrol orally? since its a 17aa, i have read the method of dosage does not matter.

to genarr who said its "VERY hard on the tendons" there is not really any proof that i know of for this to be true. i suspect this is true of all steriods which induce hypertophy, whilst the joints are still playing "catch up" so to speak.

however, i agree totally i am in need of more resarch, i plan to start my winstol only cycle in a few months, so i have enough time yet. i am still unsure of what PCT to use for the cycle. i was under the impression since it does not aromatise i do not need it. would the PCT cycle be long? would the dosages of the anti-E's be high? i would REALLY appreciate any advice on PCT whilst on a winstrol only cycle.


with regards and appreciation

powerhouse

You suspect wrong. I know this from having ACTUALLY used the drug on many occasions, and just about every other drug mentioned here. Real world experience.

It's the "Athletes" drug for "Athletes" that don't know any better.

Here's a good essay on steroids and their effects on tendons:

Per this thread over at bolex, EQ is even more joint friendly than Deca...

What do you think?

Anyone agree/disagree?

As a runner, this makes me thinkg EQ/Growth might be a better stack than Deca/Growth... especially when you consider how much more suppressive Deca is.

http://www.anabolex.com/forums/show...&threadid=83649

I'll cut and paste the thread just in case you aren't registered over there.

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Great read IMO... I usually try not to snag posts from other boards, but this one has been around the block

Borrowed from my other board and got there from being "Borrowed this from Anabolicfitness" LOL

"While injecting test increases protein syntesis by roughly 50 times, depending on dose and time, most bodybuilders forget that it will reduce collagen synthesis by more than 50% -- more like 80%, giving you the collagen synthesis rate of a senior citizen. Since collagen makes up tendons, bros are very prone to injury if they continue to lift very heavy, unless they cycle off T and let their collagen synthesis get back to normal. It's like having the skeletal muscle of a gorilla with the tendons of a very old man.

Winstrol increases collagen synthesis. It will give you bigger tendons. However, your body compensates for this by making them more brittle, weaker, and more prone to injury. I can't tell you how many bros work out anaerobically and become injured while on winstrol. Guys who lift in the 1-5 rep range while on winstrol, to baseball players who sprint all out from a stationary position -- winstrol should be the LAST drug they choose. Most of them like winstrol because they don't get the weight gain from it but it is very detrimental to bros who train for any sport anaerobically. Tendons tear easily on it.

Also, the drugs I mention increase collagen syn while also increasing collagen cross-linking integrity, making for a much stronger tendon.

Winstrol, on the other hand, will dramatically increase collagen syn, but ironically it decreases collagen cross-linking integrity, thus making a much weaker tendon.

You can plan a cycle of AAS which will increase collagen synthesis and skeletal muscle growth at the same time. The key is the drug(s) you choose.

Deca, Equipoise, Anavar, and Primobolan will ALL increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen syn and bone mass and density, leaving you with a substantially reduced chance of becoming injured than if you choose to use AAS like sus, cyp, or enth.

While testosterone will increase bone mass and density, even at supra-physiological levels, the result is weaker tendons due to inhibition of collagen syn.

To plan a cycle where the goal is to increase skeletal muscle mass/strength while at the same time increase joint/tendon/ligament strength, enough to keep up with the dramatic increase in skeletal muscle, you must choose drugs like Eq, Deca, Anavar, or Primo as the base of your cycle. Testosterone and its esters can be added to your cycle to keep levels within a 'normal' physiological range (ie, 100-200 mg/wk) but must not go above this. Since drugs like eq, deca, anavar and primo will reduce endogenous, natural levels of test, these levels may be maintained with exogenous test in the 100-200 mg/wk range. Test at this dose will not inhibit collagen syn, but paradoxically, will help increase it. It is when exogenous testosterone is used > 200 mg/wk that collagen syn is inhibited.

Deca @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca is a very good drug at giving you everything you want -- an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood

Primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% -- less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.

Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% -- slightly better than deca.

Oxandrolone has over a hundred studies documenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen syn to enhance healing.

These drugs have longer half-lives than most other AAS, so this should be considered when timing your post cycle clomid use. Here they are:

Deca: 15 days Equipoise: 14 days Primobolan: 10.5 days

Anavar has a half-life of only 8 hours so it should not pose a problem.

GH is probably the most remarkable drug at increasing collagen synthesis. It increases collagen syn in a dose dependant manner -- the more you use, the more you will increase collagen syn. It has also demonstrated this ability in short and long term studies. From what I've read, hGH at 6 iu/day increased the collagen deposition rate by around 250% in damaged collagen structures. This result indicates that the increased biomechanical strength of wounds to collagen structures treated with biosynthetic human growth hormone was produced by an increased deposition of collagen in the collagen structures.

Eq, primo, anavar, and deca are all good -- they increase several biomakers of collagen syn -- ie, type III, II, I, procollagen markers. GH just seems to do so most dramatically.

Use of any of these drugs @ supra-physiological levels with a maintenance dose of test will increase collagen syn while at the same time increase skeletal muscle mass. Skeletal muscle mass gains will not be as dramatic as with large testosterone doses but you have to weigh the risk/reward basis for yourself. Also, these drugs do not satisfy the libido like testosterone, but that is not the point of this thread. It is only to demonstrate that you can increase skeletal muscle and collagen syn at the same time with certain AAS -- the decision is up to you."

 

[slobberknocker]

Great post genarr. I'm out of karma otherwise I'd have hit you.

 

[Powerhouse_101]

genarr that was an awesome reply brother! definitly made me re-think.

would a 8 week cycle (i am doing winny only) of 50mg injections ED be ok, and not cause joint pain? i guess its relative on the person, but i am just asking a general Q...

also this may be a little haywire, but I am going to be lifting in the rep range of 10-15 whilst on winny to insure the joints dont receieve any more stress than they need.

also i plan on supplementing glucosamine/chondriton formula a month b4 i start the cycle to get my joints ready.

from my past posts, you already know why I am choosing winny (mainly because its a pleasing light first timer cycle, and i have been recommended to it by a few guys i know ) . many thanks for your help dude

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Excellent post genarr3, and thank you for pointing out one of the benefits of boldenone, which was one of my choices for safest steroids. Not only does is strengthen conective tissue, but its effect on protien sythensis is equal to that of testosterone, yet it is only a substrait for the aromatase enzyme at approximately 42% of th rate that test is. Overall its a very mild drug int terms of side effects, but it yields excellent gains in quality mass.

 

[Powerhouse_101]

ok now I am thinking of not doing winny

however i still want my 1st cycle to be very light, and using only one steriod, no stacking. i dont mind taking orals or injectables (injectables preferably because i want to get used to them ASAP for heavier cycles and also they are easier on the body, though maybe not with 17aa's)

I want to run something with similar effects to winstrol. harden up, lose some fat and gain some muscle. something light but wothwhile running.
can someone recommend any options for me, espeically from reading my previous posts?

many thanks once again bros

 

[genarr3]

ok now I am thinking of not doing winny

however i still want my 1st cycle to be very light, and using only one steriod, no stacking. i dont mind taking orals or injectables (injectables preferably because i want to get used to them ASAP for heavier cycles and also they are easier on the body, though maybe not with 17aa's)

I want to run something with similar effects to winstrol. harden up, lose some fat and gain some muscle. something light but wothwhile running.
can someone recommend any options for me, espeically from reading my previous posts?

many thanks once again bros

EQ
Anavar

Lean muscle gains with both, however some experience "EQ hunger". Why this is I don't know, but you need to watch out for it.

 

[athlete0185]

genarr that was an awesome reply brother! definitly made me re-think.

would a 8 week cycle (i am doing winny only) of 50mg injections ED be ok, and not cause joint pain? i guess its relative on the person, but i am just asking a general Q...

also this may be a little haywire, but I am going to be lifting in the rep range of 10-15 whilst on winny to insure the joints dont receieve any more stress than they need.

also i plan on supplementing glucosamine/chondriton formula a month b4 i start the cycle to get my joints ready.

from my past posts, you already know why I am choosing winny (mainly because its a pleasing light first timer cycle, and i have been recommended to it by a few guys i know ) . many thanks for your help dude

alls i have to say is have fun injecting ed or eod man. choose something different. i dont care if your an athlete. eat right and youll be fine and if your dosage isnt too high you wont blow up. your training and diet is going to help you as an athlete not the roids you take because they arent doing the work for you man.

in the same syringe: test enth 250 mg 2X a week, weeks 1-10
eq 200 mg 2x a week weeks 1-12

equals out to test 500 mg a week and eq 400 mg week. your wallet and all the places where you would be injecting everyday (ass, thigh, calves, bis, tris, delts) will thank you very much.

 

[Powerhouse_101]

i plan supplementing with some joint formula of some sort (glucosamine chondriton etc) about a month before i start the cycle to avoid any joint page and damage.

this cycle looks pretty bullet proof to me in terms of safety now. especially because i am injecting, hardly any stress on liver and other organs.

 

[matto18]

how bout running var 40mg/day for 10 weeks along with some liver anti-oxidants and policosanol (amongst other things) for the lipid profile. throw in some creatine and you're golden. simple as can be.