the ROSE BOWL GAME...

[madbomber31]

Vince took over and was the best player on the field, but i seriously think if they played 10 times USC would spank over and over again.... but hey, it's football and thats the greatest thing in the world.. even crappy teams like the giants have a chance on sundays....


my question is... if you've watched vince can he SERIOUSLY play in the NFL? i think he may get killed running around like that on sundays.

 

[Lestat]

excuse alert!!

I think Vince could be good in the NFL.. he needs to be on a team with a strong O line.. he's a better passer then Vick in my opinion.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

That game might have been fixed.

This is like UNLV losing to Duke in the Final Four; it just doesn't make sense. USC is 30 points better than Texas.

Fixed or no, Vince is good and yeah he'll play in the league and make an impact.

 

[HS Lifter]

The rushing QB doesn't really work in the NFL, and it it does, it doesn't last long.(Defenses wake up).

Or the play himself doesn't last long.

 

[bran987]

Vince took over and was the best player on the field, but i seriously think if they played 10 times USC would spank over and over again.... but hey, it's football and thats the greatest thing in the world.. even crappy teams like the giants have a chance on sundays....


my question is... if you've watched vince can he SERIOUSLY play in the NFL? i think he may get killed running around like that on sundays.

ronnie lot was at the game and said he thinks he's more than ready.
he'll be able to run, just not as much as he did last night. he's 230 so he won't get killed. it'll hurt more to get hit by roy williams of dallas cowboys america's team though.
man matt hates texas lol

 

[fistfullofsteel]

USC thought they were going to win by just showing up and didn't play total balls out.

I wonder if the phi. eagles are going to win the Superbowl this year. Survey says, "Noooooooooooo!" Ahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

ronnie lot was at the game and said he thinks he's more than ready.
he'll be able to run, just not as much as he did last night. he's 230 so he won't get killed. it'll hurt more to get hit by roy williams of dallas cowboys america's team though.
man matt hates texas lol

Nah, I couldn't care less about this one; I didn't even bet. I only really get excited if FSU, Miami or GA Tech is playing.

But looking at the two teams, and the outcome, allegations of fixing need to be considered.

 

[madbomber31]

i actually thought the refs were being a bit maroon and gold... seemed like there were a few iffy calls against texas...

regardless, vince young was the sole offense for texas and usc STILL couldnt stop him, just like michigan last year (even though they just shut it down in the 4th)...

i'm not a USC fan, i loved watching them lose... but texas as a team didnt sell me at all, and i'm not sure if vince had even one decent deep throw

 

[bran987]

i actually thought the refs were being a bit maroon and gold... seemed like there were a few iffy calls against texas...

regardless, vince young was the sole offense for texas and usc STILL couldnt stop him, just like michigan last year (even though they just shut it down in the 4th)...

i'm not a USC fan, i loved watching them lose... but texas as a team didnt sell me at all, and i'm not sure if vince had even one decent deep throw

lol at a 20 game win streak, 13-0 and knocking off a dynasty, but not quite being sold on the team yet.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

lol at 13-0 and knocking off a dynasty and not quite being sold on the team yet.

f - i - x.

Incidental facemask on THAT play? 4th and 1 spots? Nah. no fix here.

And UNLV really did beat Duke; ignore those hot tub photos.

 

[Longhorn85]

The rushing QB doesn't really work in the NFL, and it it does, it doesn't last long.(Defenses wake up).

Or the play himself doesn't last long.

Yeah, you're right, especially guys like V. Young who can throw and run, like Elway or Steve Young.

 

[HS Lifter]

lol at a 20 game win streak, 13-0 and knocking off a dynasty, but not quite being sold on the team yet.

Are they good? Yes.

Are they a better team then USC? No.

One of those cases where USC lost, vs Texas winning.

 

[WODIN]

Vince and Lienhart won't make big NFL splashes.

The most of the USC and UT lines will though as will Bush and White.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Are they good? Yes.

Are they a better team then USC? No.

One of those cases where USC lost, vs Texas winning.

Bor

It was fixed. see my above posts.

Was SC's defense in on it? Maybe. Maybe even Bush - when else in college have you seen him pitch a ball while being tackled.

Take the fix off and SC wins by 30.

 

[HS Lifter]

Vince and Lienhart won't make big NFL splashes.

The most of the USC and UT lines will though as will Bush and White.

Lienhart should be a good QB in the NFL.

Carson is good, how did they compare in college?

 

[fistfullofsteel]

It's very hard to predict who will make it in the NFL. Having a great college career usually doesn't mean shit in the NFL.

 

[HS Lifter]

Yeah, you're right, especially guys like V. Young who can throw and run, like Elway or Steve Young.

LOL. They scrambled a lot and broke off a few runs here and there.

I wouldn't call them pure rushing QB's(Vick types).

 

[madbomber31]

mmm, lienhart isnt as pure a passer as carson...

as for the lines... holy shit they have some MEN on those offensive lines...

i was impressed with white but it made me question bush... they featured white that entire game and texas' team speed on D seemed to contain bush... the nfl is so much faster than college i wonder if bush is going to be as good.... i'm sure he will, but the way texas' D played makes me wonder now.

 

[JKurz1]

VY needs to stay for one more year.......although his upside is as high as anyone in this draft, I think he is also much riskier than any other top prospect. His lack of fundamentals as a passer will really hurt him. He needs to work on his mechanics and needs to learn the intricacies of the quarterback position at the next level. If someone is patient with him, they could have a big time playmaker on their hands. They have to be willing to give him time though. If playing quarterback does not work out, he def. has the athleticism and speed to move to wide receiver

 

[bran987]

VY needs to stay for one more year.......although his upside is as high as anyone in this draft, I think he is also much riskier than any other top prospect. His lack of fundamentals as a passer will really hurt him. He needs to work on his mechanics and needs to learn the intricacies of the quarterback position at the next level. If someone is patient with him, they could have a big time playmaker on their hands. They have to be willing to give him time though. If playing quarterback does not work out, he def. has the athleticism and speed to move to wide receiver

if I was him I'd go make the millions while you're a hot commodity, staying another year would be tough to top this. but look:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2280007

He's leaning toward staying in college

Why do people say he can't pass? He was 30/40 no interceptions, Leinart was 29/40. Leinart is great too but it's just funny to me people think he can't pass because he has that slingshot movement.

will be an interesting draft if he goes

 

[bran987]

lol matt and his conspiracy theory. don't you think it would be some of the guys who won't be able to go make millions in the NFL though rather than Bush?

 

[Longhorn85]

LOL. They scrambled a lot and broke off a few runs here and there.

I wouldn't call them pure rushing QB's(Vick types).

Not a fair characterization of either: the facts ---

V. Young:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vince_Young

Vince is the first and only player in NCAA I-A history to pass for 2,500 yards and rush for 1,000 yards in the same season.

Vince’s career passing completion percentage is the best in UT history, 60.8%.
Passed for 40 TDs (No. 4 in UT history)

Young set the UT single-game completion percentage record against Oklahoma State in 2004 by completing 18 of 21 passes (85.7%). He broke his own record in 2005 by completing 25 of 29 passes (86.2%) against Colorado.

S. Young -

http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/release.jsp?release_id=1557


"Steve Young rushed for more touchdowns than any other quarterback in league history. In all, his rushing totals read 4,239 yards on 722 attempts for a 5.8 yards average and 43 TDs."

 

[bran987]

actually Longhorn Vince hit 1,500 yards rushing last night! 2,500/1,500 club.

 

[Dial_tone]

VY needs to stay for one more year.......although his upside is as high as anyone in this draft, I think he is also much riskier than any other top prospect. His lack of fundamentals as a passer will really hurt him. He needs to work on his mechanics and needs to learn the intricacies of the quarterback position at the next level. If someone is patient with him, they could have a big time playmaker on their hands. They have to be willing to give him time though. If playing quarterback does not work out, he def. has the athleticism and speed to move to wide receiver

A quarterback should never leave early, unless he's good enough to start in the NFL right away. You exchange a year of game reps with sitting on the bench. You need look no further than Tommy Maddox, who left UCLA after 2 years then produced to do JACK SQUAT in the NFL for the next 10 years.

 

[fistfullofsteel]

Not a fair characterization of either: the facts ---

V. Young:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vince_Young

Vince is the first and only player in NCAA I-A history to pass for 2,500 yards and rush for 1,000 yards in the same season.

Vince’s career passing completion percentage is the best in UT history, 60.8%.
Passed for 40 TDs (No. 4 in UT history)

Young set the UT single-game completion percentage record against Oklahoma State in 2004 by completing 18 of 21 passes (85.7%). He broke his own record in 2005 by completing 25 of 29 passes (86.2%) against Colorado.

S. Young -

http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/release.jsp?release_id=1557


"Steve Young rushed for more touchdowns than any other quarterback in league history. In all, his rushing totals read 4,239 yards on 722 attempts for a 5.8 yards average and 43 TDs."

Young's senior season (1983) was spectacular. He passed for 3,902 yards and 33 touchdowns in the regular season, and his 71.3% completion percentage set an NCAA single-season record.

His career passer rating of 96.8 was the highest of any quarterback in NFL history when he retired.

Steve young could scramble his ass off and take off for a first down but he had a very good arm.

and just cause you think he looks good at texas u. doesn't mean he will be doing the same in the NFL.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

lol matt and his conspiracy theory. don't you think it would be some of the guys who won't be able to go make millions in the NFL though rather than Bush?

Agreed, but you and I know a nice $250K would aid that transition until his contract is signed.

I think a few guys on USC's defense and maybe a ref or two were in on it.

There is no way UT wins that game otherwise; SC beats every team in the state of Texas on up to the Cowboys.

 

[Longhorn85]

Young's senior season (1983) was spectacular. He passed for 3,902 yards and 33 touchdowns in the regular season, and his 71.3% completion percentage set an NCAA single-season record.

His career passer rating of 96.8 was the highest of any quarterback in NFL history when he retired.

Steve young could scramble his ass off and take off for a first down but he had a very good arm.

and just cause you think he looks good at texas u. doesn't mean he will be doing the same in the NFL.

You're coming out of left field dude. No one disputes S. Young's prowess as a passer. I watched him play at BYU and with the LA Express of the USFL and Tampa Bay before he became a 49er.

The argument was can a running QB succeed in the NFL. My point was that S. Young is indeed a running QB. You can be a running QB and a passing QB. A rare combination but it exists.

 

[Longhorn85]

Agreed, but you and I know a nice $250K would aid that transition until his contract is signed.

I think a few guys on USC's defense and maybe a ref or two were in on it.

There is no way UT wins that game otherwise; SC beats every team in the state of Texas on up to the Cowboys.

Bullshit. I recognize sour grapes when I see 'em Matt. UT won fair and square.

Players don't cry on the field after throwing a game.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Bullshit. I recognize sour grapes when I see 'em Matt. UT won fair and square.

Players don't cry on the field after throwing a game.

lol. Seems like crying would be a good piece of fakery. What about refs? Do they cry?

 

[Longhorn85]

lol. Seems like crying would be a good piece of fakery. What about refs? Do they cry?

I think Dan Fouts may have cried. He seemed to want the Trojans to win bad.

 

[Tytan]

Vince and Lienhart won't make big NFL splashes.

The most of the USC and UT lines will though as will Bush and White.

Lienhart won`t be able to take a hit in the NFL and Young is playing exactly how the game is played right now, with speed and strength, and confusing defenses w/ ability to do more than throw it up for athletic receivers to jump up and make a play...Will Vince make a splash right away? no, but when he`s ready, NFL defenses` had better be ready.......Lienhart will be o.k. at best, nothing special...

 

[Longhorn85]

USC superbacks that flopped in the NFL:

Charles White
Anthony Davis

 

[traddum]

i'm not a USC fan, i loved watching them lose... but texas as a team didnt sell me at all, and i'm not sure if vince had even one decent deep throw

were u watching the same game as i was... defense...charles...o line... what else do they have to do to silence the critics

 

[bigmann245]

i think a mobile QB in the pro's is a dangerous QB to defend against. he will get 5 yards on a busted play at leased. eat you up in the short run then hit long on the pass. more QB's need to be mobile. i played semi-pro and our QB was as mobile as they get. as an Offensive tackle i had to have eyes in the back of my head to keep up with where he was on every play. we were ranked #2 in our league so yes it made an impact. if we had better recievers and a good tight end we would have been #1.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Lienhart won`t be able to take a hit in the NFL and Young is playing exactly how the game is played right now, with speed and strength, and confusing defenses w/ ability to do more than throw it up for athletic receivers to jump up and make a play...Will Vince make a splash right away? no, but when he`s ready, NFL defenses` had better be ready.......Lienhart will be o.k. at best, nothing special...

Young will be good in the pros if he plays in games that are fixed like the college title he won.

SC is 30 points better than UT without the fix.

Fucking wake up on this bullshit "title".

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

were u watching the same game as i was... defense...charles...o line... what else do they have to do to silence the critics

the UT "D" gave up 560 total yards.

Only this game being fixed made it competitive and kept UT in it.

 

[bigmann245]

the UT "D" gave up 560 total yards.

Only this game being fixed made it competitive and kept UT in it.

ya gotta admit, the game was kinda back and forth in the first half. then all of a sudden it changed. yea i call fix or something went on. and the refs were spotting the ball back a yard or 2 every play, that i did notice

 

[saint808]

A quarterback should never leave early, unless he's good enough to start in the NFL right away. You exchange a year of game reps with sitting on the bench. You need look no further than Tommy Maddox, who left UCLA after 2 years then produced to do JACK SQUAT in the NFL for the next 10 years.

He did sell insurance and have a great XFL run though. He was Elway's back up... cut him some slack man.

 

[Megalomaniac]

That game might have been fixed.

This is like UNLV losing to Duke in the Final Four; it just doesn't make sense. USC is 30 points better than Texas.

Fixed or no, Vince is good and yeah he'll play in the league and make an impact.

MTS this is the first time you have been way out of line and I'll have to call you on it. If you really believe USC fixed the game I doubt you have very much confidence in the world at all. If you have watched Mack Brown through the years and know that he has done nothing but bring in the best tallent wherever he has gone. He supports the High School programs in the home states and builds programs the way they should be, from the ground up. It blows my mind that anyone is suprised that the University with the highest sports budget is competing for the National Championship.

 

[Megalomaniac]

This thread is a complete joke. I can't believe people are calling fix on this game. Understand the sport, watch the game, maybe even get close enought to learn something and you will realize how wrong you are.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

This thread is a complete joke. I can't believe people are calling fix on this game. Understand the sport, watch the game, maybe even get close enought to learn something and you will realize how wrong you are.

Bor, did you play for UT or something?

I played Division 1 basketball. I know the ins and outs of college atheltics and I've got a pretty good grasp of college football. I'm happy for Mack Brown.

None of that matters though. What matters is that this game was fixed. Are you serious on the incidental facemask call at THAT point in the game? If it's a 15 yarder, then yeah, flag him, but turning a 4th down to a 1st down for THAT? Come on.

How about a few questionable spots on the 4th and 1s? Surprise, not reviewable.

I won't even mention VY being down on that one TD scored. He had a knee down and a guy on top of him. That was an easy one that they got wrong and did not review. Surprised? I was too, until I figured out what was going on.


I don't think SC fixed it. Someone got to the officials. There may have even been an official "keep it close" fix from the NCAA- get ratings up etc. This is business. If you think this outcome reflects the teams that played, I want a prescription for whatever you're using.

 

[fistfullofsteel]

You're coming out of left field dude. No one disputes S. Young's prowess as a passer. I watched him play at BYU and with the LA Express of the USFL and Tampa Bay before he became a 49er.

The argument was can a running QB succeed in the NFL. My point was that S. Young is indeed a running QB. You can be a running QB and a passing QB. A rare combination but it exists.

ok, when you think of steve young, do you think of him as a running qb? i sure don't. steve still did it more with his arm as opposed to mostly doing it with his legs. when i think of running qb, i think of mike vick.

how impressive vince young's 2,500 throwing yards to steve young's throwing yards or the top 10 college qb's of all time?

 

[Longhorn85]

ok, when you think of steve young, do you think of him as a running qb? i sure don't. steve still did it more with his arm as opposed to mostly doing it with his legs. when i think of running qb, i think of mike vick.

how impressive vince young's 2,500 throwing yards to steve young's throwing yards or the top 10 college qb's of all time?

You're right. Steve Young is a passer. He went to BYU for pete's sake. But he is also a runner. More TDs than any NFL QB ever.

V. Young is possibly one of the best college running QBs. But he is also a passer which is one reason he is such a dangerous runner, the defense can't ignore his passing or his running. Keying on one will get you burned on the other.

Like others have said, only time will tell how V. Young does in the NFL.

 

[Megalomaniac]

None of that matters though. What matters is that this game was fixed. Are you serious on the incidental facemask call at THAT point in the game? If it's a 15 yarder, then yeah, flag him, but turning a 4th down to a 1st down for THAT? Come on.

***Watch the replay, I have several times and it should have been a 15ydr. The majority of people agree on that

How about a few questionable spots on the 4th and 1s? Surprise, not reviewable.

****2 spots went where they should have, one spot went for Texas a bit and one spot went for USC. This was very common throughout the bcs games. imo the refs weren't good in any games but nothing close to fixed.

I won't even mention VY being down on that one TD scored. He had a knee down and a guy on top of him. That was an easy one that they got wrong and did not review. Surprised? I was too, until I figured out what was going on.

****USC couldn't stop Texas all night, granted the knee was down but it would have been 1st and goal. The chance of Texas putting the ball in from the 5 yd line was great and that is why that play early in the game isn't a major impact. Blame Carrol if anyone for not calling timeout to review it, he was out coached there.


I don't think SC fixed it. Someone got to the officials. There may have even been an official "keep it close" fix from the NCAA- get ratings up etc. This is business. If you think this outcome reflects the teams that played, I want a prescription for whatever you're using. [/QUOTE]

dbol and test but I'm not a doc.

 

[fistfullofsteel]

You're right. Steve Young is a passer. He went to BYU for pete's sake. But he is also a runner. More TDs than any NFL QB ever.

V. Young is possibly one of the best college running QBs. But he is also a passer which is one reason he is such a dangerous runner, the defense can't ignore his passing or his running. Keying on one will get you burned on the other.

Like others have said, only time will tell how V. Young does in the NFL.

I wasn't impressed with his arm. Ditz99 wasn't.

i'm not a USC fan, i loved watching them lose... but texas as a team didnt sell me at all, and i'm not sure if vince had even one decent deep throw

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

I wonder if VY would have had more passing yards if the USC D-backs were paid off as much as the refs were.

Probably.

 

[madbomber31]

someone already said it... but 560 yards of offense against them??? and you're telling me the defense was good? mid 30's with points scored? please tell me i'm wrong how again?

ONE MAN SHOW!!! it's ok, i am not taking anything away from the win.... i'm simply wondering how good vince is and saying that if the teams played tomorrow USC would beat them pretty easily. thats the fun with football... ONE AND DONE!!! ask eli and the giants this weekend. ONE AND DONE

 

[Tytan]

Young will be good in the pros if he plays in games that are fixed like the college title he won.

SC is 30 points better than UT without the fix.

Fucking wake up on this bullshit "title".

OHHHH !!!!!!! now this is some bullshit title that millions of people stayed up late to watch, rooting for and against their favorite team ( including you). Sc might be a thirty point fav, but they lost...They would probably lose again if they played this weekend, you know why? a more talented and hungry team beat their preppie asses.. Don`t make excuses for the game, it is what it is...Texas is the new National Champ. You`d better recognize fool, now get off my tip.

 

[spongebob]

vince yong will be starting for the texans next year. carr is history. football is a business, doesnt matter one stinking bit if vince can actually play in the NFL or not but he will certainly sell some serious tickets. he's a native and he's a hot commodity right now down here. people will flock in droves to see him.

mark my words.

 

[HS Lifter]

OHHHH !!!!!!! now this is some bullshit title that millions of people stayed up late to watch, rooting for and against their favorite team ( including you). Sc might be a thirty point fav, but they lost...They would probably lose again if they played this weekend, you know why? a more talented and hungry team beat their preppie asses.. Don`t make excuses for the game, it is what it is...Texas is the new National Champ. You`d better recognize fool, now get off my tip.

 

[hamstershaver]

vince yong will be starting for the texans next year. carr is history. football is a business, doesnt matter one stinking bit if vince can actually play in the NFL or not but he will certainly sell some serious tickets. he's a native and he's a hot commodity right now down here. people will flock in droves to see him.

mark my words.

if houston takes young #1 over bush the g.m. should be shot on the spot

 

[Longhorn85]

I wasn't impressed with his arm. Ditz99 wasn't.

Now I understand why you're a Giants fan. You don't understand football.

 

[spongebob]

if houston takes young #1 over bush the g.m. should be shot on the spot

houston has no offensive line, so whats the quickest fix, 3 or 4 offensive lineman, no. a QB that can run and scramble unlike carr.

houston doesnt need bush.

vince is a god right now down here, that = tickets tickets tickest = $ $ $

 

[spongebob]

Bor, did you play for UT or something?

I played Division 1 basketball. I know the ins and outs of college atheltics and I've got a pretty good grasp of college football. I'm happy for Mack Brown.

None of that matters though. What matters is that this game was fixed. Are you serious on the incidental facemask call at THAT point in the game? If it's a 15 yarder, then yeah, flag him, but turning a 4th down to a 1st down for THAT? Come on.

How about a few questionable spots on the 4th and 1s? Surprise, not reviewable.

I won't even mention VY being down on that one TD scored. He had a knee down and a guy on top of him. That was an easy one that they got wrong and did not review. Surprised? I was too, until I figured out what was going on.


I don't think SC fixed it. Someone got to the officials. There may have even been an official "keep it close" fix from the NCAA- get ratings up etc. This is business. If you think this outcome reflects the teams that played, I want a prescription for whatever you're using.

didnt the refs make a bad call on a UT interception?

 

[hamstershaver]

houston has no offensive line, so whats the quickest fix, 3 or 4 offensive lineman, no. a QB that can run and scramble unlike carr.

houston doesnt need bush.

vince is a god right now down here, that = tickets tickets tickest = $ $ $

you cannot pass up the best rb to come out of college since sanders
dont let that game put stars in your eyes
bush is definately the better player

 

[bullett]

The rushing QB doesn't really work in the NFL, and it it does, it doesn't last long.(Defenses wake up).

Or the play himself doesn't last long.

and his mechanics are poor....although you can say the same about Phillip Rivers...

 

[bullett]

USC superbacks that flopped in the NFL:

Charles White
Anthony Davis

I wouldn't say Charles White flopped, more like he snorted his way out....

 

[Longhorn85]

The reason Young is so dangerous as a runner is because he is a great passer too. Defenses have to respect both. You guys are mesmerized by his phenomenal running ability so that's all you can focus on.

Now that Mack Brown has won the big one, it might be time for him to go to the NFL. Imagine if Brown takes the Texans job.

Who do you think he would draft first? Can you say reunion?

Remember, you heard it here first.

 

[spongebob]

you cannot pass up the best rb to come out of college since sanders
dont let that game put stars in your eyes
bush is definately the better player

i agree and so does vince that bush is the better player. he said it. but its about who fits your immediate needs. and the $$$

you watch, i'll be surprised. i know UT and vince is getting the national respect right now and never will but down here he is all the talk. and he will sell some serious tickets.

you see carr is already getting his ticket punched, he's gone no matter what. so vince slides right in and the stadium fills up.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

OHHHH !!!!!!! now this is some bullshit title that millions of people stayed up late to watch, rooting for and against their favorite team ( including you). Sc might be a thirty point fav, but they lost...They would probably lose again if they played this weekend, you know why? a more talented and hungry team beat their preppie asses.. Don`t make excuses for the game, it is what it is...Texas is the new National Champ. You`d better recognize fool, now get off my tip.

LOL

I don't care about either team. I didn't even watch the whole game. I just think UT fans need to recognize that the fix was in; UT is not more talented and didn't out play anyone.

USC is better than any team in TX, even the Cowgirls and certainly the Texans...and the horns....most of those dudes would be 3rd string at SC.

UT can keep their trophy. But somewhere, a shady bettor walked off with a 7 figure sum.

 

[Whiskey]

I lost my ass in the bookie forum due this damn game.

BUT, you'll have that.

Whiskey

 

[pitbullstl]

Vince and Lienhart won't make big NFL splashes.

The most of the USC and UT lines will though as will Bush and White.

Word.

and.....lol @ Matt thinking the Rose Bowl was fixed. USC didn't show up.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Word.

and.....lol @ Matt thinking the Rose Bowl was fixed. USC didn't show up.

Why do you think they didn't show up sir?

f - i - x - e - d.

 

[pitbullstl]

Why do you think they didn't show up sir?

f - i - x - e - d.

Uh huh. Also double lol at the fact that you think ANY college level team could EVER compete in the NFL. Man...oh man. USC is good, absolutely a better team than Texas, but not a couple days ago.

You and I will agree to disagree on the NCAA championship being fixed.

Is the house done yet..?? We are building again.

 

[hamstershaver]

USC is better than any team in TX, even the Cowgirls and certainly the Texans...

please tell me you are kidding

 

[Tytan]

LOL

I don't care about either team. I didn't even watch the whole game. I just think UT fans need to recognize that the fix was in; UT is not more talented and didn't out play anyone.

USC is better than any team in TX, even the Cowgirls and certainly the Texans...and the horns....most of those dudes would be 3rd string at SC.

UT can keep their trophy. But somewhere, a shady bettor walked off with a 7 figure sum.

Dude you reek...............

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Uh huh. Also double lol at the fact that you think ANY college level team could EVER compete in the NFL.

Nah, I'm just exaggerating for effect. SC is tough but not that tough. Leinart will do OK in the league though, and Bush will be a star. White will be in the Pro Bowl one day too. Beat the Texans? Probably not.

Man...oh man. USC is good, absolutely a better team than Texas, but not a couple days ago.

You and I will agree to disagree on the NCAA championship being fixed.

You and I were college athletes, we like to believe in the integrity of the game. One of my roomies in college is an assistant coach now, D-1 hoops. He said he gets calls by bettors ON GAME DAY who want to know if any of his players are hurt or what not, or for inside info around the conference.
The Internet is ruining this stuff.

Someone got to somebody. SC doesn't lose to UT unless (1) there's money changing hands (2) the entire USC team is replaced by clones or (3) the fix is in.

Is the house done yet..?? We are building again.

Nah, been traveling a lot. getting close though; I post pics now and then.

Where are you building? STL? You doing it yourself or got a GC?

 

[pitbullstl]

Nah, I'm just exaggerating for effect. SC is tough but not that tough. Leinart will do OK in the league though, and Bush will be a star. White will be in the Pro Bowl one day too. Beat the Texans? Probably not.




You and I were college athletes, we like to believe in the integrity of the game. One of my roomies in college is an assistant coach now, D-1 hoops. He said he gets calls by bettors ON GAME DAY who want to know if any of his players are hurt or what not, or for inside info around the conference.
The Internet is ruining this stuff.

Someone got to somebody. SC doesn't lose to UT unless (1) there's money changing hands (2) the entire USC team is replaced by clones or (3) the fix is in.



Nah, been traveling a lot. getting close though; I post pics now and then.

Where are you building? STL? You doing it yourself or got a GC?

Building in Wildwood MO, on 17 acres.....and I would have loved to have done it myself, but I don't have the time, as we have our hands in so many different pots at the moment. The GC only does 2-3 houses a year......he's good shit.

Hope things are good bro.

 

[gjohnson5]

excuse alert!!

I think Vince could be good in the NFL.. he needs to be on a team with a strong O line.. he's a better passer then Vick in my opinion.

LOL at Lestat

Yes that was an excuse for not three peating. But that had never been done in college football and I'm glad it didn't happen a few days ago. The PAC10 sux!

If USC were in the SEC , they'd not even be in the picture

 

[gjohnson5]

Vince and Lienhart won't make big NFL splashes.

The most of the USC and UT lines will though as will Bush and White.

Vince is Michael Vick with better passing skills... I think Vince will make an impact. Leinhart , now that's another story

 

[gjohnson5]

USC is good, absolutely a better team than Texas, but not a couple days ago.

USC has a better offense on paper. But the game is not played on paper or on a computer...

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Building in Wildwood MO, on 17 acres.....and I would have loved to have done it myself, but I don't have the time, as we have our hands in so many different pots at the moment. The GC only does 2-3 houses a year......he's good shit.

Hope things are good bro.

Yeah, my house is dragging ass because I am invovled in so much stuff. I just got back from 2 weeks in Asia, then the holidays etc.

Next project I will most definitely have a GC. Is this a second MO residence - a "getaway" or did you sell the other place?

 

[fistfullofsteel]

Now I understand why you're a Giants fan. You don't understand football.

1st of all the so called football analysts say his throwing mechanics suck and many nfl coaches look at this. mike vick has an arm too, but does he find the open receivers and deliver it accurately when he has 275-300lbs+ guys ready to clean his clock or does he just take off with his legs? i don't know about you but from what i see he just takes off most of the time. how many games has he missed because he ran with the ball and got hurt? did he break some college records with his arm or something to make you believe he has an awesome arm? let's see him throw it against nfl secondary.

 

[fistfullofsteel]

thats the fun with football... ONE AND DONE!!! ask eli and the giants this weekend. ONE AND DONE

You know what's fun? When your team isn't even in the playoffs and you're crying into your chunky's soup along with donovan mcChoke that you're never going to win a superbowl with the phi. e-girls. Ahahahahaaaaaaaaa

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

You know what's fun? When your team isn't even in the playoffs and you're crying into your chunky's soup along with donovan mcChoke that you're never going to win a superbowl with the phi. e-girls. Ahahahahaaaaaaaaa

LOL at all that.

I gotta tell you though, I was at the SB last year, and the only reason Jacksonville was fun at all was because of the Eagles fans.

Those dudes party hard.


Rose Bowl was FIXED.

 

[gotmilk]

USC didn't show up.

Pooch punt...like icing the puck during a penalty kill

I sold a car yesterday.

 

[pitbullstl]

Pooch punt...like icing the puck during a penalty kill

I sold a car yesterday.

que...??

It looks like January will be our best month in the last 4 years. Wholesale and retail.

Matt......this is going to be our new permanent residence. It should be done by October. I'm really excited, I'll p.m. you the details.

 

[Longhorn85]

You and I were college athletes, we like to believe in the integrity of the game.

Don't assume you're the only one who laced them up in college. I'm not even going to ask which school because I don't want to embarrass anyone.

Texas won fair and square. You must have wanted USC bad to come up with the fixed routine.

 

[pitbullstl]

Don't assume you're the only one who laced them up in college. I'm not even going to ask which school because I don't want to embarrass anyone.

Texas won fair and square. You must have wanted USC bad to come up with the fixed routine.

Embarass who...??? Who's assuming now...?? Thought so.

 

[fistfullofsteel]

LOL at all that.

I gotta tell you though, I was at the SB last year, and the only reason Jacksonville was fun at all was because of the Eagles fans.

Those dudes party hard.


Rose Bowl was FIXED.

Did you bet money on the game or something? Why or what makes you think that?

 

[Spartacus]

this biz of a fix is rediculous
Matt I already covered this before
fix some obscure college hoops game
wouldn't cost you much to buy off the key player
and spread your wagers around
plenty of options now a days
same money
this idea of fixing the highest profile NCAA game of the year and requiring a buy off a group
forget it

 

[Spartacus]

e.g.
toss a bag of ten thousand in cash,a couple of decent looking hookers and mayve some recreational goodies if necessary at "hot rod" center at east duqesne state
in a game that they're favored by 10 or so(so his team doesn't even have to lose,less microscope)
then spread a quarter million around the globe,or whatever amount is say just 20% above average action on a lower tier ncaa hoops game
don't want to invite any scrutiny

 

[thewanderer690]

Why do people think that this running QB is all the fuckin rave?? All the teams with running QBs did not make the playoffs and the end up getting hurt much more often. I knew Alex Smith would suck b/c his style in college sucks in the NFL. The 49ers fucked themselves with that pick they should have drafted that QB from Cal. QBs need to have a quick release and be able to read the defense. The NFL is too fast for running QBs. Why do people consider Vick that great?? Hes only made the playoffs like once and has contracted Herpes.

 

[HS Lifter]

Why do people think that this running QB is all the fuckin rave?? All the teams with running QBs did not make the playoffs and the end up getting hurt much more often. I knew Alex Smith would suck b/c his style in college sucks in the NFL. The 49ers fucked themselves with that pick they should have drafted that QB from Cal. QBs need to have a quick release and be able to read the defense. The NFL is too fast for running QBs. Why do people consider Vick that great?? Hes only made the playoffs like once and has contracted Herpes.

You make solid points, except for the herpes part.

 

[Longhorn85]

Why do people think that this running QB is all the fuckin rave?? All the teams with running QBs did not make the playoffs and the end up getting hurt much more often. I knew Alex Smith would suck b/c his style in college sucks in the NFL. The 49ers fucked themselves with that pick they should have drafted that QB from Cal. QBs need to have a quick release and be able to read the defense. The NFL is too fast for running QBs. Why do people consider Vick that great?? Hes only made the playoffs like once and has contracted Herpes.

You're misinformed. Go back and read post #22. Steve Young was indeed a running QB. Today he wears a Super Bowl ring and he made the hall of fame on the first year of eligibility.

 

[Spartacus]

tough league for sure
bengals drafted a couple of "busts" at QB using number one selections before landing Palmer

 

[harmonica]

Why do people think that this running QB is all the fuckin rave?? All the teams with running QBs did not make the playoffs and the end up getting hurt much more often. I knew Alex Smith would suck b/c his style in college sucks in the NFL. The 49ers fucked themselves with that pick they should have drafted that QB from Cal. QBs need to have a quick release and be able to read the defense. The NFL is too fast for running QBs. Why do people consider Vick that great?? Hes only made the playoffs like once and has contracted Herpes.

Ron Mexico does NOT have herpes.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Ron Mexico does NOT have herpes.

Try buying a Ron Mexico jersey on NFL.com.

No can do.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Did you bet money on the game or something? Why or what makes you think that?

I'm not much of a gambler. The only betting I do is the NCAA tournament, and that's just for fun. I don't even make karma bets, lol. I didn't even really care who won this thing. I didn't go to either school, I'm not from either state. I am a dispassionate observer.

Where there is smoke, there is fire. UT vs USC should not even be an interesting game without external influences.

 

[harmonica]

Try buying a Ron Mexico jersey on NFL.com.

No can do.

I thought that was hilarious when I heard that Vick was busted in an AIDS clinic getting tested, using the name "Ron Mexico."
Of course this could all be horshit but still funny. Nice name.

 

[MsBeverlyHills]

Vince took over and was the best player on the field, but i seriously think if they played 10 times USC would spank over and over again.... but hey, it's football and thats the greatest thing in the world.. even crappy teams like the giants have a chance on sundays....


my question is... if you've watched vince can he SERIOUSLY play in the NFL? i think he may get killed running around like that on sundays.

you never know. loook at someof the Heisman Trophy winners that never made it in the NFL & then youve got Terry Bradshaw that came from like a nothing school & was a huge success or Kurt Warner that was working in a grocery store when he got hired & wasent even playing on a team.

 

[bran987]

Speaking of college teams vs. pros, there was an article on page D8 of the WSJ January 4th musing whether USC or UT could take out the '85 Bears who went 18-1 and won the Super Bowl.

Chicago '85 offensive line avg. 267 lbs.
USC & UT avg. 312 lbs.

Chicago '85 defensive line avg. 271 lbs.
USC avg. 275 lbs.
UT avg. 290 lbs.

Jim McMahon 6'1 195
Leinart 6'5 225
Young 6'5 233

Leinart & Young average 229 lbs, 1 pound more than the linebackers weighed for Chicago's 1985 champion team.

Says one NFL scout "I would favor either Texas or USC over at least the bottom third of the NFL."

It isn't just the size of modern college players. The level of coaching, training and competition in big-time college football has become so keen that many believe their top players can go right into the pros and immediately become starters or even stars.

"Comparing the best college teams of the past five or so years to legendary champions of the past is like comparing supersonic jet fighters to propeller-driven World War II planes. The game has really changed that quickly. Most of the players I see on top teams today look like they were manufactured in laboratories."

As college players evolved into prototypes of professionals, the game itself began to change until, by the 21st century, college football is scarcely distinguishable from the pro style. For instance, Texas' previous national champtionship contenders were almost all running teams; it was the Longhorns who first made the "Wishbone" famous by winning the title in 1969. The Wishbone quarterback usually had just a single wide receiver to throw to; his primary job was handing off or pitching the ball to one of three other runners in his backfield. In contrast, this year's Longhorns use pro-style formations that might feature no running back and as many as five pass receivers.

The result is a college game that challenges and sometimes exceeds the pros for offensive fireworks - often both USC and Texas score better than 50 points a game. But it's also a game where styles once peculiar to college football are vanishing. "You used to be able to tell the moment you turned on the TV, if you were watching Texas or Alabama with the Wishbone or Notre Dame with their Wingback-set or Southern Cal with their Tailback-I formation. Now almost every team seems to be playing pro football.

Maybe because they are.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

I thought that was hilarious when I heard that Vick was busted in an AIDS clinic getting tested, using the name "Ron Mexico."
Of course this could all be horshit but still funny. Nice name.

Nah I think it's true. The NFL went out of their way to keep it quiet....people started trying to buy jerseys and all that, and the league prohibited it

 

[Spartacus]

rediculous too that the best college team be it TX or USC has a chance against the worst in the nfl.
I only need to point how how difficult it is for a rookie QB to break into the NFL quickly
even the very best require a period of adjustment
so you're suggesting leinert could lead his USC squad against a pro-caliber defense right away and come away with a win
hell he won't make his first NFL start for about a season and a half

 

[Spartacus]

College All-Star Game


History

Arch Ward, the sports editor of the Chicago Tribune, in 1934 came up with the idea of a pre-season game between the NFL champions and a team of college all-stars to benefit the newspaper's charity fund. All of the games were played at Soldier Field in Chicago.

The first meeting, on Aug. 31, 1934, ended in a scoreless tie. In the early years, the college players did pretty well against the pros. The NFL champions dominated in later years, however, losing only once after 1955.

In 1976, the game was suspended and finally called off because of a heavy rainstorm late in the third quarter, with the Pittsburgh Steelers holding a 24-0 lead.

That was the last game of the series. There were two main reasons for the demise. First, pro football salaries had reached a much higher level, many college players who were unwilling to take part in the game for fear of injury. Second, fan interest had declined substantially because of the NFL's dominance.

 

[pitbullstl]

Speaking of college teams vs. pros, there was an article on page D8 of the WSJ January 4th musing whether USC or UT could take out the '85 Bears who went 18-1 and won the Super Bowl.

Chicago '85 offensive line avg. 267 lbs.
USC & UT avg. 312 lbs.

Chicago '85 defensive line avg. 271 lbs.
USC avg. 275 lbs.
UT avg. 290 lbs.

Jim McMahon 6'1 195
Leinart 6'5 225
Young 6'5 233

Leinart & Young average 229 lbs, 1 pound more than the linebackers weighed for Chicago's 1985 champion team.

Says one NFL scout "I would favor either Texas or USC over at least the bottom third of the NFL."

It isn't just the size of modern college players. The level of coaching, training and competition in big-time college football has become so keen that many believe their top players can go right into the pros and immediately become starters or even stars.

"Comparing the best college teams of the past five or so years to legendary champions of the past is like comparing supersonic jet fighters to propeller-driven World War II planes. The game has really changed that quickly. Most of the players I see on top teams today look like they were manufactured in laboratories."

As college players evolved into prototypes of professionals, the game itself began to change until, by the 21st century, college football is scarcely distinguishable from the pro style. For instance, Texas' previous national champtionship contenders were almost all running teams; it was the Longhorns who first made the "Wishbone" famous by winning the title in 1969. The Wishbone quarterback usually had just a single wide receiver to throw to; his primary job was handing off or pitching the ball to one of three other runners in his backfield. In contrast, this year's Longhorns use pro-style formations that might feature no running back and as many as five pass receivers.

The result is a college game that challenges and sometimes exceeds the pros for offensive fireworks - often both USC and Texas score better than 50 points a game. But it's also a game where styles once peculiar to college football are vanishing. "You used to be able to tell the moment you turned on the TV, if you were watching Texas or Alabama with the Wishbone or Notre Dame with their Wingback-set or Southern Cal with their Tailback-I formation. Now almost every team seems to be playing pro football.

Maybe because they are.

lol...not a snowballs chance in hell homey.

 

[bran987]

lol...not a snowballs chance in hell homey.

come on dude, you know the wall street journal is the foremost authority on sports analysis!

 

[wootoom]

wtf is the rode bowl sounds queer to me

 

[spongebob]

LOL

I don't care about either team. I didn't even watch the whole game. I just think UT fans need to recognize that the fix was in; UT is not more talented and didn't out play anyone.

USC is better than any team in TX, even the Cowgirls and certainly the Texans...and the horns....most of those dudes would be 3rd string at SC.

UT can keep their trophy. But somewhere, a shady bettor walked off with a 7 figure sum.

they're the number two team in the nation, thats how good they are. and thats bottom line baby!!

 

[spongebob]

Why do you think they didn't show up sir?

f - i - x - e - d.

wait a minute, who fixed it? i thought you said the refs fixed it.