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natural-mike

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OK, here goes...

6 years lifting, 4 of the 6 spent powerlifting, about a solid 225.

Been clean all the way through, I'm looking to play around here is what I want (you will all be pissed) I welcome suggestions and opinions.

I'm looking to take something mild, something oral, absolutely no injectables, and I don't want my wife to find out, I'm not looking to build tremendous mass, maybe 10 pounds over the long haul and somethig I can keep. I shave my head so I don't care about hairloss, I have slightly fatty nipples resulting from Proscar for a year so I'm probably prone to gyno, and my skin is realy oily so I'm probably prone to acne too.

I guess I am looking for the perfect anabolic here, something week and mild, I don't want liver problems, kidney problems , or blood pressure issues, I would like light gains so nobody suspects anything especially my wife, just looking for a little something to put me over the edge, give me that extra muscle gain..just a little. I expect flames, disses and put downs, I'm sure most of you are pissed, yes I've been around the site a while mostly reading the powerlifting stuff. I've tried to read up but just so many conflicting opinions here, looking for a mild weak oral that will help pack on a littl ebit with little to no side effects. If you provide advice, try to provide a cycle with dosage and include anti-estrogens dosages if necessary and anything else. If possible I would prefer to take only 1 anabolic rather than cycle a bunch but I value any opinion here.

I know this is close minded but injectables are out of the question. And I don't want any hard core shit like Anadrol if you know what I mean, I've looked at Dianabol but a lot about it scares me, besides is a dosage of it alone valuable? or safe? what about supposed liver protectants like Milk Thistle?

Anything gentlemen would be appreciated.

Peace,
 
I respect that Yum, but is that really true?

Forgot to mention I dont want my twig and berries shrinking also, my sex life is important my wife likes the rough stuff....daily.

Peace
 
natural-mike said:
I respect that Yum, but is that really true?

Forgot to mention I dont want my twig and berries shrinking also, my sex life is important my wife likes the rough stuff....daily.

Peace
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In general it is true, anavar only may be a good choice for you, except the price is a turnoff...
40mg/day for 6-8 weeks with creatine would be a nice, mild non-injectable cycle... (I know that contradics the "you shouldnt use gear if you cant inject idea," but if you HAVE To not use injectables anavar is probably the most suitable steroid for a non-injectable cycle)..

YUM
 
There just aren't many oral drugs out there fitting your needs and restrictions.

Var is the closest
Winny next but more severe issues than var

(Rule out dbol, anadrol, halo, methyltest, and anything else that is quality and attainable - don't anyone bring up oral turinibol or something else ephemeral)

If you use quality var (BTG or SPA), you can use 0.125 grams per lb of body weight. - for you around 28mg daily - so go 25 or 30. I imagine with solid training and creatine you will most likely achieve your goals.
 
you really should consider using what i would call the safest steroid in the world, primobolan, it is an injectable but it will put on a nice solid 10 pounds if its your first cycle, with no side effects. this is what i used when i didn't want my wife to find out anything. if you can get over the injections, which was easy, this is the steroid for you.
 
I second that! However,

python77 said:
you really should consider using what i would call the safest steroid in the world, primobolan, it is an injectable but it will put on a nice solid 10 pounds if its your first cycle, with no side effects. this is what i used when i didn't want my wife to find out anything. if you can get over the injections, which was easy, this is the steroid for you.
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My first cycle was Primo Depot @ 200mg every four days. In 7 weeks I gained 12 solid lbs and kept 10-11. Problem is you have to inject it.

I would tell your wife if I were you. You are married and should not keep this a secret from her. 1. It is not right. 2. If something happenned to you, someone needs to know what you are taking. What if you are in some car accident and the meds they want to give you "clash" with the AS.

If you don't have the balls or relationship to tell your spouse maybe you should not do it at all . . .

P.S. If she say no - you should respect that. There is no I in TEAM.
 
I would do OX ( oxanderlone , anavar ) at 40mg a day. I did this for my first cycle and gained 13 pounds with no sides.
 
winny, anavar..you shouldnt puss out because of injectables..but, anavar is so pussy anyways, its comparable to 1-ad and that is legal. You should also tell your wife.
 
TheBear said:
winny, anavar..you shouldnt puss out because of injectables..but, anavar is so pussy anyways, its comparable to 1-ad and that is legal. You should also tell your wife.
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i don't know about compairing anavar to 1-ad... to this day my anavar cycle has given me my best keepable gains.
 
Guys thanks for the advice, and thanks for not flaming or getting pissed, I used to be aregular here but the flaming and dissing got so uot of control its like I lost interest, I see most have matured and there seems to be some new jacks who are just plain cool.

The wife thing is tough, not to over-share but her mom died of drug over-dose shooting up and stuff, so injecting flinstone vitamins would probably end the marriage at this point, I think I'll go with some VAR, of course, I'll have to change my username and work on getting a source.

Whats a descent price on anavar..what should my cycle look like dosage and lenght wise (how many weeks or days?) over course I will throw in some creatine I mean thats a given and I have a hearty appetite too. So whats a good dose for a 225 pounder??
 
natural-mike said:
Guys thanks for the advice, and thanks for not flaming or getting pissed, I used to be aregular here but the flaming and dissing got so uot of control its like I lost interest, I see most have matured and there seems to be some new jacks who are just plain cool.

The wife thing is tough, not to over-share but her mom died of drug over-dose shooting up and stuff, so injecting flinstone vitamins would probably end the marriage at this point, I think I'll go with some VAR, of course, I'll have to change my username and work on getting a source.

Whats a descent price on anavar..what should my cycle look like dosage and lenght wise (how many weeks or days?) over course I will throw in some creatine I mean thats a given and I have a hearty appetite too. So whats a good dose for a 225 pounder??
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from my experience...

run it for 6 weeks at 40-50mg a day. Gains stoped for me at week 6. I was told once before var is best if used 6 weeks on and 6 weeks off. I think that's accurate. This makes the cycle cheaper too.

ttokyo should run around $160-200 for a bottle of 100 5mg tabs.

Dont do IP var. it's not that great. SPA and GTB var are the best you can get, but much more expensive than the ttokyo.

I ran my cycle with ttokyo and got good results.
 
What's up Mike! Haven't seen you around these parts in awhile. What you're looking for is Anavar, it's expensive, but it'll meet all your requirements.

Any powerlifting meets coming up in the area? I've been looking through Powerlifting USA and don't see any. I'm thinking of hitting one.
 
go with anavar that is your best bet bro. i've done anavar only, put on nice lean mass..its just hard to get now adays...with these fucking Scammers...ah..."scamerico" and shit, i don't now who to trust..but if you can get a hold of anavar, go with 50-60mg/day
 
I'm sorry but anyone who puts anavar and 1-ad in the same category needs to do some serious research. There is a reason anavar is one of the most talked about steroids on any anabolic forum and it isn't because it gives results like 1-ad. It will blow any prohormone off of the fucking map when used correctly. Poor diet and training will make the best steroid work like shit. I can't believe anyone would have the gall to make such a lame comparison. Also if it's mass your after I'd have to choose anavar over winny anyways. Anavar makes protein synthesis much more efficient so the more protein you eat, the more muscle you gain. Stack it with creatine to get an even better benefit. This isn't even considering it's muscle hardening, strength boosting and composition altering effects. Will it put on 30 pounds of muscle in 8 weeks? No. Will it put on a good 10 pounds of solid muscle with little to no sides? Yes.

If 1-ad was able to do half of what anavar could then it never would have been released on the market in the first place.

Also guys he's already said he's looking for mild gains. Anyone recommending injectables, unless it's primo, is ignoring his purpose. If he wanted to put on 20 pounds of muscle I'm sure he'd choose a different route. For what he wants anavar is an excellent choice.

I will agree with some of the guys though, don't sneak it. If she finds out you'll regret it. I was open with my wife and although she was leary I eventually talked her into it. Her initial reaction was no injectables so instead of making a fuss I complied, which is why I have good experience with orals and even trandermal fina. Now that she's seen that they can be used safely I'm sure she'll eventually be willing to let me inject, but until then I will continue what I'm doing.

Also a properly contstructed oral cycle will blow any half-assed injectable cycle out of the water. If you get good gains with orals and then apply that knowledge and experience to your first injectable cycle then your results will be nothing less than phenomenal. Too many people these days use long acting test esthers as a crutch for poor post-cycle planning. They inject first, think later and wonder why they lose gains. Try this technique with orals and it's no wonder they get a bad rap. Dbol has the worst reputation in this instance.
 
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What about side effects, as far as liver damage? anythign to protect that i.e. Milk Thistle, what about acne? and most importantly will this throw off any test levels in my body do I need anything else with anavar, like Clomid, what about gyno I may be severly prone for that, do I need anti-estrogens?

It seems like a 6 week cycle of anavar is going to run me some cash but I think I can deal with it, for the prices and the duration we're looking at around $800 to $1000 a cycle.

Is that what people are usually spending or is anavar just that expensive.
 
Anavar = Strength & Lean mass gains(very keepable)
proviron = Keeping every thing working up and down!
clomid = after the cycle

As for liver, anavar has been shown to help liver functions!
 
natural-mike said:
What about side effects, as far as liver damage? anythign to protect that i.e. Milk Thistle, what about acne? and most importantly will this throw off any test levels in my body do I need anything else with anavar, like Clomid, what about gyno I may be severly prone for that, do I need anti-estrogens?

It seems like a 6 week cycle of anavar is going to run me some cash but I think I can deal with it, for the prices and the duration we're looking at around $800 to $1000 a cycle.

Is that what people are usually spending or is anavar just that expensive.
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that's about right.. if your insurance covers it, you could get a perscription and get BTG. That's the only way around the high price.
 
a lil' while back,i would have agreed w/ the anavar and still do in a way...but i would also recommend dbol + liquidex...what a combo this is...quality mass gains,no bloat,fullness and the friggin' pump baby...i love this combo...
 
So Anavar and clomid would do it?? Do I even need Clomid on an Anavar only cycle?
Do I need any anti- estrogens...from what I've read about Anavar they say anti estrogens not necessary.

And dieseled..how the heck can I get a script for VAR?

What about sex drive on Anavar...will it still be there?

Peace and love my brothers
 
natural-mike said:

And dieseled..how the heck can I get a script for VAR?
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Shoot me an email. Elitemails not working at the moment so don't be mad if I dont' get back to you right away.
 
natural-mike said:
So Anavar and clomid would do it?? Do I even need Clomid on an Anavar only cycle?
Do I need any anti- estrogens...from what I've read about Anavar they say anti estrogens not necessary.

And dieseled..how the heck can I get a script for VAR?

What about sex drive on Anavar...will it still be there?

Peace and love my brothers
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yeah just email genarr, i'm sure he will send you the same place i would. Email me if you want.
 
I've heard for the most part it will totally shut down my natural test production, so clomid will be a must. true?

What about pro-hormones...I know they are shit but i HEARD if you crush and sniff them, they can be OK???
any comments? personaly I wouldnt waste myt cash on them
 
Whata bout Anti -E's I heard anavar can give gyno, I don't want gyno, I'm also concerned about acne I heard Clomid can give acne.
What drug to use to prevent gyno, acne, and restore natural test after cycle? what drug or combo of drugs, what dosage and when do I use during or after cycle?

Thanx
 
natural-mike said:
Whata bout Anti -E's I heard anavar can give gyno, I don't want gyno, I'm also concerned about acne I heard Clomid can give acne.
What drug to use to prevent gyno, acne, and restore natural test after cycle? what drug or combo of drugs, what dosage and when do I use during or after cycle?

Thanx
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Var can't cause gyno - if it did then it wasn't var in the pill (rare but a few people have reported it but mainly heavy users so who knows what's going on in their bodies).
 
VAR cycle looks like its too expensive for my cheap ass.

What about a Winny only cycle orally?

Which is more potent tablest form or drinking liquid?

Which is more cost effective..cheaper?

What does and how long of a cycle (I'm 210 lbs. now)?

What do I take after or with , ex. Clomid? Nolva?

I'm nervous about gyno/

Thanks
 
You should save up because Anavar is the only one meeting your requirements.


Look up "the anavar files: faq and commentary" using the search engine. I wrote that for questions like yours..
 
You should save up because Anavar is the only one meeting your requirements.


Look up "the anavar files: faq and commentary" using the search engine. I wrote that for questions like yours..
 
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