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Montessori is a wonderful approach unfortunately a lot of schools implement it wrong or do a half ass job
javaguru
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That's exactly why we need school choice. Parents care about the education of their children and a one fits all approach doesn't work. The United States spends more than most developed countries on public education and achieves low to mediocre scores, even when you adjust the scores to only metric the top 10% the United States sucks.
Public schools are a prison and I know something about public schools and prison. I was tested for kindergarden by the public school and achieved high marks, they asked my mother if she or my father was a teacher because I achieved in the range that was expected for someone with pre-school education; I learned via my child curiosity. My mother was a stay at home mom high school dropout and my father had a high school diploma. I went from being an overachiever to almost being held back in 1st grade because I had a shitty teacher. From what I gather, my first grade theory of math was right for a time but was obviously wrong. As I fell behind in math my teacher put me in isolation behind her desk and I was allowed no recess or any other association with my classmates. She actually forgot about me to the point where I didn't get lunch on occasion because she forgot I was behind her desk. She contacted my parents a few months before the end of the school year and I made up the work because I was afraid of not being promoted with my friends. The ironic part is the fact my parents considered her a hero teacher and it wasn't until I was in college that I told them how I was treated.
Cuz you've been in both school and prison
In all seriousness now, I used to work in a montessori school (3rd and 6th grade English teacher) and they were royally fucking it up to the point of being the exact opposite, kids are supposed to do their own things, become independent, etc at lunch time they were supposed to go to the microwaves/fridges, and get their food or if they had a group meal you are supposed to lay things out and they serve themselves, well school rules mandated that group meals were to be brought in and TEACHERS had to warm/prepare their stuff and give it to them, same with individual lunches WTF, exactly the opposite, creating dependency, I remember a group lunch with my sixth graders in which I was serving their damn food and they were in line and the juice pitcher was next to me and kids stared at me with a "arent you gonna serve me juice?" face, fuck that I told them they were 12 and could get their own damn juice, jeez...
Public school anecdote: dear ol' nangiggles has ADHD so she would talk a lot and NEVER do homeworker or take notes, I did pay waaay more attention than my teachers thought and averaged -A or better in tests but my report card was B due to the lack of homework and such, my report card under notes always stated: "wonderful grades BUT needs to talk less and class or BUT needs to take notes". This one teacher that didnt like me tried to humilliate mom in a parent teacher meeting, told her outloud in front of everyone how I wouldnt STFU or take notes or do my homework, mom stood up and asked: what's her math test score? (A+) Science (A) Social Stufies (A+) English (A-) she then smirked, and said that's all I needed to know and sat down, nice STFU for the teacher
I was doing my part in learning, teacher just didnt know how to "deal" with meYou realize your experience was 30 yrs ago?
What is your current experience with a decent public school system?
tryin2tone
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The public school system now, is worse than that. They have this no child left behind clause now, which in my opinion is stupid. I had to work for my grades, do homework, take notes, study. Now if you put forth an effort, even if its mediocre at best, you're good to go. Teachers don't care about their students now like they used to, its actually kind of sad. If a kid is a little slow to learn something they throw them in a remedial class, and at the opposite end if a child is antsy or talks a lot or has a difficult time sitting still, that child has adhd and needs to be put on some sort of meds. I guess its like sports now, you can be the shittiest player on the team, not want to play, and just be mean to everyone(had one on my sons lax team), but don't worry at the end of the season you will still get a medal.
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And I have a 12 year old with a disability. And we have also been in a few different school districts. I'm sorry if you got offended by what I said, I was speaking by my experiences. And I have seen, in a lot of instances where adhd is a diagnosis just handed out when there is no other answer. My sisters son was diagnosed with adhd and has been on adhd meds since he was about 2 years old, in my opinion that is way too young to diagnose a child with an attention disorder. So, if you don't mind, ill have my opinion, and you have yours.
I too never took notes, or homework... B+.. same in college.. raised 2 girls to adulthood through college, I taught them that if they want to pray.. then pray, if a teacher introduced the idea, or information that they were homosexual, that they should ask if that information was going to be on the test??
(I did this in a college class age 34.. I'm paying to be in the class get the information required not know your sexual orientation)
And I have a 4 yr old in 2nd yr at Montessori, do they do everything correctly?? no, do i worry about him being beaten up because he's smart? or has red hair?? no.. do i worry that he doesn't get enough attention because the teacher doesn't have time to teach because she has 31 other students that can't speak English, or they are pregnant (too much??) well you get the point.. I love the Montessori system, if I can help it my son will never be in public school.. oh by the way.. we are in the #1 school district in Minnesota.. so what's my problem??
Homework?? they have my child for 7 hours a day, they don't have the ability to teach them all they need to learn in that time frame?? WTF... friends with older kids complain they have 2-4 hours of homework to do.. no i didn't spend all this time and money to have my child not spend the evenings with me enjoying his and my life together, trying to learn the information that the "public school" could not teach him during the day..
tryin2tone
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Abby attends Montessori. I spoke with a high school teacher last week that told me that the kids that sometimes have to transfer to public school from Montessori...how well they do blah blah. The Montessori school Abby attends is one of the best in the area. It is like a family and they focus on individual learning, developing empathy, lots of interesting things that I forget now. Lol, she could speak both English and Spanish before the age of two. A good way to tell if a school is good is to see if they not only focus on their intellect but also their person; their emotional intelligence, maturity and development. Abby is a super smart kid but emotionally behind. The teachers really wanted to move her up into the 5-6 year old class but didn't because she wasn't ready emotionally. They take a big picture approach and treat the kids like they are people (because they are) and a lot of teachers forget they are people too, not pets or less than human, or whatever.
The teacher described by a poster in here should be shot.
The teacher described by a poster in here should be shot.
How the hell can that happen?
Poor things dont even have a developed speech and thought process to assess correctly
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How the hell can that happen?
Poor things dont even have a developed speech and thought process to assess correctly
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Exactly. Not sure how a 2 yr old even meets the DSM criteria for ADHD? And what parent would medicate a 2 yr old??? Hard to believe
mistaballoonhands
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Exactly my point!!!!! That's all I was saying. I didn't mean to upset anyone.
I don't believe you.
tryin2tone
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My sister would. And this Dr she was taking them to was a joke. All she had to do was call him and tell him what she thought was going on, and he called in a scrip for it. Her kids have been on so many meds its not even funny. You don't have to believe it for it to be true. I agree with you, how does a child that young meet criteria for anything!!!
Your sister is an asshole.
mistaballoonhands
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Lol
tryin2tone
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i 1000% agree with you.
i dont have enough time in the day to tell you how much she has fucked up all 3 of her kids. between the meds, showing them videos of how she didnt want them, and finally when her third son was born, treating him like a little girl because thats what she wanted, the state taking them, and the oldest ending up in rockford(mental health hospital) for trying to commit suicide when he was 12, and trying to stab his little brother.
nice asshole life
mistaballoonhands
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You must be the worlds greatest aunt
tryin2tone
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There was nothing I could do. When she found out I called children's services on her, she refused to let me see them. I was no longer welcome at her house, and if I showed up there, she called the cops on me. They were finally taken away from her. And now she gets to just visit them in a foster home.
tryin2tone
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And I'm not the greatest, but I am a good one. When my brother fell on hard times, I was granted custody of his children and took care of them like they were mine. My sister was a lost cause.
Can I Munchausen?
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Fuck off troll
digimon7068
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it's the teacher's responsibility to teach...it's the student's and parent's responsibility to ensure that the learning process is completed...then it's the teacher's responsibility to test for completion of the learning process.
it's pretty simple really.
and, the ball is being dropped in the middle.
and, "no child left behind" is a ball-and-chain for the academics.
it's pretty simple really.
and, the ball is being dropped in the middle.
and, "no child left behind" is a ball-and-chain for the academics.
javaguru
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Based on the data that is an oxymoron, good public schools. One of the local school districts, Ottawa Hills, a rich suburb with outrageous property taxes is consistently ranked in the country. US News last ranked it 228 in the nation. Most of their faculty have PHD's but we're talking about the average school. In the average public high school the majority of math and science teachers don't have a degree in math or science. A friend of mine teaches in Springfield Township, they meet the standards set by the state because they teach to the test, she's a math and science teacher with a degree in literature. When you look at Washington DC public schools they spend about 26k a year per student and achieve some of the worst outcomes in the country, that's almost enough to send the child to the exclusive private school Sasha and Malia attend. In the NYC public school district they have a "rubber room" for teachers that are considered either too incompetent to be in the classroom or too dangerous to the students (sending sexually explicit emails to students). they still get paid a six figure salary and will collect their retirement as long as they show up everyday because it's easier than firing them.
The public school system has a 130+ year record and the Department of Education has a record since the late 1970's. Scores have stagnated or declined since the Feds became involved.
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javaguru
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Vouchers have been highly debated. It allows a family to take a voucher to any school they choose and not be stuck in a school district. It's better than the current system but a free market system would be better.
javaguru
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Cuz you've been in both school and prison
In all seriousness now, I used to work in a montessori school (3rd and 6th grade English teacher) and they were royally fucking it up to the point of being the exact opposite, kids are supposed to do their own things, become independent, etc at lunch time they were supposed to go to the microwaves/fridges, and get their food or if they had a group meal you are supposed to lay things out and they serve themselves, well school rules mandated that group meals were to be brought in and TEACHERS had to warm/prepare their stuff and give it to them, same with individual lunches WTF, exactly the opposite, creating dependency, I remember a group lunch with my sixth graders in which I was serving their damn food and they were in line and the juice pitcher was next to me and kids stared at me with a "arent you gonna serve me juice?" face, fuck that I told them they were 12 and could get their own damn juice, jeez...
Public school anecdote: dear ol' nangiggles has ADHD so she would talk a lot and NEVER do homeworker or take notes, I did pay waaay more attention than my teachers thought and averaged -A or better in tests but my report card was B due to the lack of homework and such, my report card under notes always stated: "wonderful grades BUT needs to talk less and class or BUT needs to take notes". This one teacher that didnt like me tried to humilliate mom in a parent teacher meeting, told her outloud in front of everyone how I wouldnt STFU or take notes or do my homework, mom stood up and asked: what's her math test score? (A+) Science (A) Social Stufies (A+) English (A-) she then smirked, and said that's all I needed to know and sat down, nice STFU for the teacher
In a free market underperforming schools would fail. The great thing about free markets is that third parties would evaluate schools and provide information for parents and the schools would actually be accountable. The PTA is just a way for the school districts to make parents think they have input.
SO you're saying because inner city schools aren't good, that there is no such thing as a good public school? Wow, you're way off. Sorry, but I don't live in the inner city.
javaguru
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How much do you pay for a "good" public education? You'll find the answer hard to find because it's unaccountable. You might get the general acount number but they hide the real expenses, capital and legacy costs. I do process improvement in the private sector and none of this bullshit gets muster because it's about profit and loss. Like I stated, the DC school system costs 26k per student and they have some of the worst outcomes and with that kind of money the kids could attend the same private school the presidents children attend.
How many children should be victimized until you get a teacher "up to speed." Isn't that what the governmet education process was supposed to develop?
javaguru
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Smurf, luv ya but I read a paper where an economist calculated the cost of federal anti-poverty programs. It costs five dollars to taxpayers for every real dollar that goes to the person; The Red Cross delivers 91 cents of aid for every dollar donated. Centralized planning is the worst way to deal with difficult social issues. Communism was tried by the first settlers and throughout our history and it has always failed because the free exchange of goods is the best system we'll have as far as I can see; Unless you have a novel answer for the pricing problem?
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Typo
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I didn't read the thread so this is probably off topic, but...
How can schools teach evolution and "big bang" theory's as fact when it is scientifically clear that these are all theory's?
It makes no sense to teach children what some people "think" might have happened as fact.
I'm pacing over this shit
How can schools teach evolution and "big bang" theory's as fact when it is scientifically clear that these are all theory's?
It makes no sense to teach children what some people "think" might have happened as fact.
I'm pacing over this shit
javaguru
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You are off topic and obviously trolling but I will answer your question.
It's probably because you were indoctrinated with a supernatural belief system and educated in a public school; meaning you most likely have an 8th grade reading level. Had you received a proper education then you would understand how a scientific theory isn't the same as conjecture or hypothesis. Indeed, the theory of gravity is "just a theory" open to revision but I doubt you would jump off a cliff assuming you wouldn't fall because it has been well tested like evolution.
javaguru
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Evolution is just as "proven." I've written computer models dealing with celluar mutation rates in fruit flies that are 100% in line with observable evidence. If you can submit your evidence to a reputable peer reviewed journal in the biological sciences falsifying evolution then I would be more than happy to review it and would be the first one to admit it's compelling but needs further research before evolutionary theory can be disregarded.
For religious "feel good" reasons you need to defend an iron age belief system you were told is 100% infallible based on brainwashing you received since birth but I'm not a therapist so I can't help you.
Really??? what's the 1st question a "scientist" asks when he is asked to carbon date a object??
answer how deep did you find it..
hahah really?? so the answer is subject to an assumption of age and depth of geography...
how many years was it taught in "higher education" that the earth was flat?? 200?? 300 yrs??
answer how deep did you find it..
hahah really?? so the answer is subject to an assumption of age and depth of geography...
how many years was it taught in "higher education" that the earth was flat?? 200?? 300 yrs??
Typo
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This made me lol
Typo
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I wasn't raised a Christian. I started following god after studying evolution. Scientific evidence (theory's) proving evolution do not come close to the amount of scientific evidence proving creation backed up by scripture.
The fact that some scientists think the world is millions of years old is laughable, it is also the place where I suggest you start your own independent research if interested.
digimon7068
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not that i'm vehemently for or against any theory, but isn't funny how much we've devolved as a species since religion, morality and traditional family values became passe??? people of high moral and ethical standards are made fun of like the kid with the pocket protector and the tape on his glasses in 4th grade.
^^ I agree with this
Im not religious in any sense to be totally honest but I was raised in an environment where religion was part of life and I remember being ridiculed for it when I was a child.
I think you nailed it in your earlier post about where the weak link is in education ...and I tend to think it a little bit of a problem with a lack of respect for authority (everyone gets a trophy if you just "try" anyway and child services keep plenty of non abusive parents terrified)and it may start with there being no "morality" Idk. I also think its a shame that the majority of households have to have two person earners to keep their heads above water so families don't function as families did in the past (both good and bad)
Im not religious in any sense to be totally honest but I was raised in an environment where religion was part of life and I remember being ridiculed for it when I was a child.
I think you nailed it in your earlier post about where the weak link is in education ...and I tend to think it a little bit of a problem with a lack of respect for authority (everyone gets a trophy if you just "try" anyway and child services keep plenty of non abusive parents terrified)and it may start with there being no "morality" Idk. I also think its a shame that the majority of households have to have two person earners to keep their heads above water so families don't function as families did in the past (both good and bad)
my second youngest is hitting public school this year and it will be interesting to see how it goes. She was picked for a pilot all day kindergarten that we pay a small tuition for and follows a Montessori model to a degree (sort of a hybrid)
we'll see
we'll see
digimon7068
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if you voice your opinion and approval of any traditional values now-a-days, you're a dork...well...i'm a dork, and anyone that doesn't like it can kiss my ass...the line forms over there...take a number...hope you brought some magazines...it's gonna be a while before you get your turn to pucker up and smooch my rock-hard (and somewhat hairy) ass
what???
javaguru
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The data are clear that having two parents leads to better outcomes than single parents. I will also agree the field of ethics is barren when it comes to answers. I'm forced to look at religious or government ethics, both are dubious at best and arbitrary by nature. I try to live by the non-aggression principal, it's the best philosophical principal in ethics I've found but it's hard to explain to people when they see that aggression yields positive outcomes for those society assumes have a monopoly on violence (the government).
digimon7068
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pfft...i'm not even talking about aggression...i'm just talking about manners and common decency and recognizing that you are a citizen and a member of society and, as such, you are expected to conduct yourself in a certain way and, by the time that you are an adult, you shouldn't have to be reminded about that stuff every-damn-day.
javaguru
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Yeah, that's cooperation and I think part of the problem is the infantilization of young adults and the disconnect from community created by the electronic generation. I had real responsibility by the age of twelve and as I showed my parents that I was responsible I was allowed more freedom. I had no curfew in high school because my parents knew I was the most straight laced person when it came to getting my work done in school and at home. My mother did have issues with my reading of pagan literature.
digimon7068
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i blame feminization, lawyers and "it's not my fault"/"i didn't do it"/"you can't prove i did it".
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javaguru
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I know evangelicals consider Mormonism a cult and the Catholic Church the "whore of Babylon." Regardless, Brigham Young requires two or three courses in evolutionary biology for biology majors and the Catholic Church has decreed that evolution is not contrary to their belief system. Just tell yourself, "Evolution is just how baby Jesus made us."
machine23
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Diagnose in first grade?!! Damn.
^^ yeah no shit....my five yr old is off the hook and whenever shes driving me completely insane I remind myself her slug teenage sisters were the same way at her age
I love when people with no parenting experience expound on "what's needed" with other people's kids.
Actually, it was 2nd grade.
Either way, you do realize there are changes in the brain that occur with kids who have ADHD? Have you ever studied ADHD? Do you know the criteria for diagnosis? I'll assume not.
Doesnt BB have like 3 kids?
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If so, then it sounds like he has a lot to learn about parenting
I think they were talkin about the little kid/baby...
in which case Mom and the Pedi need a fuckin asswhooping and the baby needs to time to play
BB does have a cpl of kids (sorry if thats oversharing BB)
ADD is a bear...I can't imagine adding hyperactivity to it
my 5 yr old is an anxious little thing and high energy...I have considered having her evaluated but again remind myself her older sisters were just as "busy" but settled down and she sits down and will finish coloring something so I assume thats a good sign.
honestly Im waiting to see how she does in an all day learning/social experience
see if she doesn't settle down a touch
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