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lookingforanedge
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great thread....anyone run it year round on a eod or e3d schedule along with HGH at 4iu eod and a little test or some other anabolic?
Cauliflower Ear
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i have heard the best way to run is 50 days on and a month off
gymratforlife
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I have gone thru 2 kits and have definetly seen some new lean muscle gain and increase in muscularity and vascularity and lower bodyfat percentage.Will use again definetly,great product.
Tobias39
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My buddy went started PCT in the beginning of December. He is taking 25mg nolva/day, 50mg clomid/day, and 25mg proviron/day... 2nd week in December he started taking 100mcg/day IGF and 5iu's HGH/day.... he has had no crash from coming off... strength has increased.. vascularity increased... pumps increased... he lost some BF... and he is still going strong...
IGF @ 100mcg/day /w HGH for PCT is awwwesome!
IGF @ 100mcg/day /w HGH for PCT is awwwesome!
Unless he was using prop throughout his test levels are probably still through the roof by now. That's why many advise to start PCT at least a week after the last jab, especially when using long estered test, deca, eq, tren enan, etc. Dont get me wrong, IGF is nothing short of a godsend, esp for PCT. But he surely isnt feeling the GH yet, not even close. I can understand the pumps from the IGF, but it does not increase strength, at least not as you're using it. So a lot of this is the placebo effect, as well as your buddy still having hi levels of AAS in his system.
As far as the decreased bf and increased vascularity, thats partly from the IGF and partly from him losing water from his cycle (assuming he's somewhat lean to begin with)
As far as the decreased bf and increased vascularity, thats partly from the IGF and partly from him losing water from his cycle (assuming he's somewhat lean to begin with)
JKurz1 said:
Well I use it pretty much year round alternating with slin one month on/one month off. I get the "typical" results of decreased body fat, increased pumps, increased vascularity, increased appetite, maintain most of my post cycle gains during PCT. Never run it along side GH as I use GH only for contest-prep, but I may in the near future. I've never gone over 60 mcg daily (my weight is anywhere between 240 and 285 when using IGF), but I might try the 100 mcg regimen that everyone seems to swear by. Then again, guys that have done both say that they dont notice anything different at 100 than they did at 40-60.
A very important point to make about IGF-1. Your gut (intestine) has the most igf-1 receptors as any site in the body. What you need to do is take the IGF-1 either pre or post-workout because after strenuous exercise IGF-1 recptors are up-regulated on muscle cells. If you pin IGF-1 in the AM like many guys do, your muscle cells have not up-regulated the receptors and the IGF-1 goes to your intestines. Keep doing that and before long you'll have a nice big Coleman gut. And guess what, that does not go away. Nothing worse than being 4% bf for a show and looking like you're about to give birth to twins.
Tobias39
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52_21_30 said:
He was using var and prop. He waited a week after the last jab before starting PCT. He has been on GH for 2iu's/day for about 6 months before he started PCT. So the 5iu's GH and 100mcg/day IGF is basically all he is running on..... I agree the loss of BF is from losing water from his cycle...
Yes. That's why IGF-1 is so well suited for PCT. You still have to eat clean, but you can keep your calories high (that is, above maintenance) and lose fat. The reason being IGF-1 crams the nutrients into your muscle cells and as it is synthesizing new muscle cells it used the nutrients for this process as well, which takes a great deal of cellular energy to accomplish. I train the same way during PCT as i do on cycle, which is very intense, very heavy. The only difference is that during PCT i cut down on the volume of my training to reduce excessive muscle breakdown. My stats at the moment are 5'10" 275 lbs. I don't think I look remotely close to this figure as I have very heavy joints and carry a lot of my weight in my lower body. However, a guy at my gym came up to me one day and asked me if I compete and the whole 9 and he actually guesed my weight which was at the time 270 so maybe that's just my bigorexia talking. I dont measure my bf% until a month out from a show, and even then it's just for shits and giggles. I go by mirror and measurements. Right now I'm cutting, chest is 53", arms 22 1/4", quads 30", waist 35". All measurements are relaxed. If I do a rear lat spread I can get to around 59-60" but nodoby measures like that.
JKurz1 said:
Not really sure what you're asking. But a great (albeit advanced) PCT would consist of nolva, hcg, clen, t3, GH plus/minus IGF-1. But it's still important to train with your head and not over it during PCT. It's a time where your body is very prone to over-training as your test levels recover.
gymratforlife
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Awesome post.Makes me want to break open one of my kits now lol.
Swoolen_Puppy
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Bump so I can reread this after the gym
There is some kick ass info in here
S_P
There is some kick ass info in hereS_P
gymratforlife
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we need some more info I am leaning towards the ED shots now.
Cauliflower Ear
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52 21 30..seems like you really believe in IGF...I am going to be bridging soon between two test prop cycles...would you say that a couple mg of IGF....ran at 40mcg ed for 50 days would be a good way to put on a couple pounds in between cycles? I just have heard so many mixed reviews about it... It seems like you have gotton good results from it...
Cauliflower Ear said:
Yes that's a great way to use it. Start at 40 and see how it goes. I wouldn't go higher than 60. And yes I do believe in it very much. My advice would be to get it in powder form and reconstitute it yourself. I only say this because my first experience was with a prep that was already reconstituted and I didnt see much from it at all. When I started getting it in powder form is when it started working it's magic. As far as knowing it's working, you should notice increased pumps within days of starting usage. As you progres you'll likely lose some bf and improve vascularity. The one thing you wont get is strength from it, but if you're between cycles just add some creatine and with the IGF you'll feel like you're on.
Just remember, you'll be able to eat lots of clean, complex carbs without gaining fat when using IGF-1. This also helps with the pumps and some small gains in LBM. Just remember to pin immediately post workout. That's when the receptors are up-regulated in the muscles you just trained, and you'll get the most out of the IGF. After prolonged use though, despite how careful you are with post-workout dosing, you might start to notice a slight protrusion in your upper abdomen. The intesines actually have the highest concentration of IGF-1 receptors in the body, which is why you want to pin pwo to minimize the IGF hitting the intestines' receptors. But again, this is after very, very prolonged use. Like the pro's with GH gut. It's the same thing.
Cauliflower Ear
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i understand...do you pin in the muscle worked...or is that not that important cause i know with the long R3 molecule it will make its way around...yeah i am not looking for strength...and really i dont want the pumps either cause i am a fighter and sometimes those fuck with me when i am grappling...
I just want to keep my weight cause i fight at 207 and my weight right now is 204...so i want to not loose anything when i come off an maybe gain a little...and i don't want to use it that many times...just a couple to keep some more weight on me..
I already fight really well at my weight class...but I am doing a lot more open weight classes...so to be able to hang with some of the bigger boys I just want a little more weight!
Thanks bro...let me know where you pin
I just want to keep my weight cause i fight at 207 and my weight right now is 204...so i want to not loose anything when i come off an maybe gain a little...and i don't want to use it that many times...just a couple to keep some more weight on me..
I already fight really well at my weight class...but I am doing a lot more open weight classes...so to be able to hang with some of the bigger boys I just want a little more weight!
Thanks bro...let me know where you pin
Cauliflower Ear said:i understand...do you pin in the muscle worked...or is that not that important cause i know with the long R3 molecule it will make its way around...yeah i am not looking for strength...and really i dont want the pumps either cause i am a fighter and sometimes those fuck with me when i am grappling...
I just want to keep my weight cause i fight at 207 and my weight right now is 204...so i want to not loose anything when i come off an maybe gain a little...and i don't want to use it that many times...just a couple to keep some more weight on me..
I already fight really well at my weight class...but I am doing a lot more open weight classes...so to be able to hang with some of the bigger boys I just want a little more weight!
Thanks bro...let me know where you pin
I just alternate quads IM. Works fine, no need for site injections. If you're worried about pumps, I'd definitely start with a low dose, like 40 mcg max.
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