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The Idiot Prince Will Have His War

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The Idiot Prince Will Have His War

by Stan Goff

© Copyright 2003, From The Wilderness Publications, www.copvcia.com. All Rights Reserved. May be reprinted, distributed or posted on an Internet web site for non-profit purposes only.

[FTW asked retired U.S. Army Special Forces Master Sergeant Stan Goff to re-examine what we can expect on the battlefield when the United States begins its invasion. The former instructor of military science at West Point describes a scenario that is vastly different from what was expected last September before the Bush administration encountered effective economic and political opposition. Now denied the luxuries of a multi-front invasion from Turkey and Saudi Arabia the U.S. war strategy has changed. The bottom line is that a great many more innocent civilians are going to be killed. And the first and possibly crippling breakdown of U.S. plans will happen in Kurdestan. – MCR]

March 17, 2003, 1500 hrs PST (FTW) -- The full-scale, unilateral US invasion of Iraq appears – to many – to be imminent as this is written. In just hours President Bush is expected to give Saddam Hussein a 72-hour ultimatum to leave the country or else the bombs start falling. I have a reservation or two left about that, based partly on hope, but partly on the even riskier assumption that this administration realizes that it has miscalculated and that the consequences of invasion may now outweigh the risks – from their standpoint – of no invasion.

The Bush regime seems to have a clear understanding of what desperate straits they were in well before 9-11. The empire is in decline, and this means Americans will have to reconcile themselves to a new world in which their profligate lifestyle becomes a thing of the past. Americans do not understand that this is an irremediable situation. That is why we are witnessing the beginning of what is possibly the most dangerous period in human history.

If the administration decides miraculously in the next few days not to invade, the most unthinkable risks will recede significantly. But this Junta has repeatedly displayed a reckless adventurist streak that alarms even their own political allies, and it appears that the hotter heads will prevail.

The actual tactical situation, never terribly auspicious because of the Kurdish wild card that receives far too little attention (and which I will address later), has deteriorated for the US. The denial of a ground front from both Saudi Arabia and Turkey has completely reshuffled the tactical deck, and caused many a sleepless night for harried commanders from Task Force Headquarters all the way down to lonely infantry platoon leaders.

The ground attack will now go through Kuwait, a single front across which an unbelievable series of heavy, expensive, high-maintenance convoys will pass, many on long journeys to 18 provincial capitals, 19 military bases, 8 major oil fields, over 1,000 miles of pipeline, key terrain along minority Shia and Kurdish regions, as well as Baghdad. But attacking forces are not the only mechanized ground forces.

The huge logistical trains that must consolidate objectives, set up long-term lines of communication, and deliver daily support, will also be held up until airheads are seized within Iraq to augment ground transportation with airlifts of people and equipment. This shifts a higher emphasis onto airhead seizures (and therefore Ranger units), and forces the security of the airheads themselves before they can become fully functional.

Baghdad may require a siege, which has already been planned, but now that siege doesn’t begin without a much lengthier invasion timeline that depends much more heavily on airborne and airmobile forces that can be dropped onto key facilities to hold them until mechanized reinforcement can arrive. At this writing, the 101st Airborne (which is actually a helicopter division) has not even completed its deployment into the region. Sections of the 82nd Airborne (a genuine paratroop division) are still occupying Afghanistan.

The increased dependence on airlift is further complicated by weather. While extreme summer heat doesn’t reach Iraq until May, the pre-summer sand storms have already begun. US commanders have pooh-poohed the effect of these storms, but they are simply putting on a brave face for the public. Sand can be a terrible enemy. It clogs engine intakes, just as it clogs eyes and noses, gathers in the folds of skin, falls in food, works its way into every conceivable piece of equipment, and takes a miserable toll on materiel, machinery and troops. When air operations become more critical to overall mission accomplishment, and when light forces (like airmobile and airborne divisions) are operating independent of heavier mechanized logistics, weather like sand storms matters...a lot.

The order of battle is widely available on the web, and there's no reason to recount it here. The reason is, even with all these debilities and setbacks, the results of the invasion are certain. Iraq will be militarily defeated and occupied. There will be no sustained Iraqi guerrilla resistance. There will be no Stalingrad in Baghdad. We should not buy into the US bluster about their invincibility, but neither should we buy into Iraqi bluster.

Last September retired Marine General Paul Van Riper was selected to play the Opposing Forces (OPFOR) Commander named Saddam Hussein for a 3-week-long, computer simulated invasion of Iraq, called Operation Millennium Challenge.

He defeated the entire multi-billion-dollar US electronic warfare intelligence apparatus by sending messages via motorcycle-mounted couriers to organize the preemptive destruction of sixteen US ships, using pleasure vessels. At that point, the exercise controllers repeatedly intervened and told him what to do; move these defenders off the beach. Stop giving out commands from mosque loudspeakers. Turn on your radar so our planes can see you. Because every time Van Riper was left to his own devices, he was defeating the US.

While all this is surely amusing, does it really mean the Iraqis will defeat the US during an invasion?

Certainly not. It will, however, make it far more expensive, slow, difficult, and deadly for Iraqis.

The Iraqi military won't prevail because they can't. They are weak, under-resourced, poorly led, and demoralized. What the delays mean is that the US will depend on sustaining the initiative and momentum through brutal, incessant bombing designed to destroy every soldier, every installation, every vehicle, every field kitchen in the Iraqi military.

War will inflict terrifying casualties on the Iraqi military. There will be collateral damage to civilians, even with attempts to attenuate that damage, and in case we fail to remember, soldiers are like everyone else. They have families and loved ones.

What is uncertain is the aftermath.

This is the variable that is never factored into the thinking of our native political lumpen-bourgeoisie; their deeds plant the seeds of future and furious resistance.

If half million Iraqi soldiers die, and 100,000 civilians are killed in collateral damage, we have to remember that there are at least (for the sake of argument) five people who intensely love each of the dead. And if we think of the grief of millions after this slaughter, and of the conversion of that grief into rage, and combine that with the organization of the internecine struggles based on historical ethnic fault lines (that the Ba'ath Party has repressed), we begin to appreciate the explosive complexity of post-invasion Iraq.

This invasion will also ignite the fires of Arab and Muslim humiliation and anger throughout the region.

Most importantly, in my view, there are the Kurds.

Anyone who has followed the news has heard about "Saddam's" gassing of the Kurds. That's how it is portrayed. Nonetheless, few people have bothered to find out what the truth is, or even to investigate this claim.

Stephen Pelletiere was the Central Intelligence Agency's senior political analyst on Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war. He was also a professor at the Army War College from 1988 to 2000. In both roles, he had access to classified material from Washington related to the Persian Gulf. In 1991, he headed an Army investigation into Iraqi military capability. That classified report went into great detail on Halabja.

Halabja is the Kurdish town where hundreds of people were apparently poisoned in a chemical weapons attack in March 1988. Few Americans even knew that much. They only have the article of religious faith, "Saddam gassed his own people."

In fact, according to Pelletiere – an ex-CIA analyst, and hardly a raging leftist like yours truly – the gassing occurred in the midst of a battle between Iraqi and Iranian armed forces.

Pelletiere further notes that a "need to know" document that circulated around the US Defense Intelligence Agency indicated that US intelligence doesn't believe it was Iraqi chemical munitions that killed and aimed the Kurdish residents of Halabja. It was Iranian. The condition of the bodies indicated cyanide-based poisoning. The Iraqis were using mustard gas in that battle. The Iranians used cyanide.

The lack of public critical scrutiny of this and virtually all current events is also evident on the issue of the Kurds themselves.

That issue will come out into the open, with the vast area that is Kurdistan, with its insurgent armed bodies, overlaying Iraq, Iran, Turkey, and even parts of Syria, which will realign the politics and military of the entire region in yet unpredictable ways.

As part of the effort to generate an Iraqi opposition, the US has permitted Northern Iraqi Kurdistan to exercise a strong element of national political autonomy since the 1991 war. This is a double-edged sword for the US in its current war preparations, particularly given this administration’s predisposition for pissing all over its closest allies. Iraq's Northern border is with Turkey, who has for years favored the interests of its own Turkmens in Southern Turkish Kurdistan at the expense of the Kurds, who have waged a guerrilla war for self-determination against the Turks since the 1970s.

The Partiya Karkeren Kurdistan or PKK) (Kurdish Worker's Party), Turkish Kurds fighting for an independent Kurdish state in southeast Turkey, was singled out on the US international terrorist organization list several years ago, in deference to fellow NATO member, Turkey. PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan is so popular with the Kurds that Turkey was forced to commute his death sentence, subsequent to his capture, to life imprisonment, for fear that his execution would spark an uprising.

Other non-leftist Kurdish independence organizations developed and alternatively allied with and split with the PKK and each other. Turkey now claims that PKK bases are being constructed in Iran, with Iranian complicity, from which to launch strikes against Southern Turkey. Groups other than the PKK, more acceptable to the US, predominantly the Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP) and the Kurdistan Patriotic Union (PUK) have been administering Northern Iraqi Kurdistan as an autonomous zone under the protective umbrella of the US no-fly zone. The Turkish government fears the influence of this section of Kurdistan in the wake of a US military action that topples Saddam Hussein’s Ba'ath government, because Kurds have declared their intention of declaring an independent Kurdish state there. The Turks find this absolutely unacceptable, and have declared forthrightly they will invade to prevent this happening. They have also threatened to attack Kurds in Iran, but this is a far less credible threat.

Kurdish nationalists have long experience with betrayals and alliances of convenience, and know American perfidy very well. They have declared at the outset that in the event of an invasion, they will defend themselves from Turkish incursions. They are not willing to lose the autonomy they have gained over the last eleven years in Northern Iraq. This not only puts them at odds with US ally Turkey, it potentially puts them at odds with the US itself, even with US wishes that they participate in indigenous actions against Iraqi forces. The US does not want that region destabilized in the post-invasion period, because Kirkuk in the East of Iraqi Kurdistan is a huge oil producing zone.

The very first complication of post-invasion Iraq will likely be the demand that US commanders disarm the Kurds.

Northern Iraq could easily become contested terrain involving partisan warfare between Turks, Kurds of three factions, the Iranians, and the US, with the Syrians in a position to play the silent interloper. This would amount to the devolution of Northern Iraq, a key strategic region, into another Afghanistan or Somalia. It is already straining relationships between Turkey and the United States, NATO allies, even as the NATO alliance itself comes under severe strain, with a Euro-American trade war as a backdrop.

And the Kurds have the motivation, tenacity, and fighting spirit to do those kinds of things that General Van Riper did to defeat the Rumsfeld "Robo-Military" in Operation Millennium Challenge.

We begin to see how the Bush Junta is the equivalent of a mad bee keeper, that no longer leaves the hive stable and merely smokes it into a stupor to harvest the honey. It now proposes to simply start swatting all the bees and taking the honey by brute force.

We cannot see the war as an extricable, external phenomenon. We have to see it as it is embedded in the larger complexities of the whole period. When the cruise missiles fly at 400 per day, that is 400 times $1.3 million in self-destructing technology. 30 days of this is $15.6 billion in Cruise missiles alone. This is great news for Raytheon and Lockheed-Martin, but it is bad news for public schools. At the antiwar demonstration in Washington DC, March 15th, I met many more teachers, now wearing buttons that said "money for education not war." This is a reflection of the deepening consciousness of the American people, but one that has not yet grasped the depth of the crisis that drives the war. Nor does it measure how every missile’s impact increases the rage of the Southwestern Asian masses and the justifiable anxieties of Africa and East Asia.

The real bet that Bush & Co. make on this war is that it can secure oil at $15 a barrel, rescue dollar hegemony, gain the ability to wage its economic war on China and Europe, and inaugurate a fresh upwave of real profit. That will not happen.

When the invasion goes, we will certainly see plenty of images of cheering "liberated" Iraqis. This is common after any successful military incursion, a combination of real relief in some cases, as we saw in the first stage of the 1994 Haiti invasion, but also of self-defense and opportunism.

The costs incurred by the war, combined with the insane Bush tax cuts for the rich, will deepen the Bush regime’s economic conundrums. The coming social crisis in the US will emerge against a backdrop of elevated public expectations. The hyperbole employed by this administration to justify this war, against rapidly strengthening resistance and a corresponding loss of credibility outside the indoctrinated and gullible United States, led them to warn the public about perpetual "war on terror," but with the sugar coating that there would be no domestic economic sacrifice. The mountain of personal and institutional debt in the US, the threat of deflation, the trade deficit, the overcapacity, the rising unemployment and insecurity, all these factors will be worsened by the Bush doctrines. And Bush, like his father before him, will go down. Along with him, Tony Blair and Jose Maria Aznar will go down in political flames, and it will be a long time indeed before anyone can align themselves with the US as an ally. As in the last elections for the Republic of Korea, candidates will find that election victory depends on now independent one can prove oneself of the United States.

We have had our course charted now, and the military option is all the US ruling class really has to maintain its dominance. After Iraq, there will certainly be increased asymmetric warfare, "terrorism," if you will, directed at Americans, American institutions, American targets. And when the rest of the world recognizes how thinly spread the US military is, thinly spread physically, but also economically because it is not a sustainable institution in its current incarnation, rebellions will occur. They have already started. Then the response of the weakening US will be to lash out, often with totally unforeseeable consequences, just as the consequences of this impending invasion are unforeseeable.

Our military might is no longer a sign of strength, and the US military is not invincible. Its use as both first and last resort is a sign of profound systemic weakness. That its employment could destabilize the world, and cause us to stumble into a Third World War is a real possibility.

We in the antiwar movement have struggled to protect the Iraqi people. We may fail in that. But as resistance fighters in WWII or national liberation fighters in the post-colonial era, we must differentiate setbacks from defeat, when we suffer those setbacks we can not be demoralized and demobilized. We will keep our eyes on the fact that the system itself is failing and this adventure is a symptom of that failure, and continue to work for the political destruction of our current regime as a tactical necessity. The perfect storm is coming. It's in the genetic code of the system right now and inevitable. And while we don't know how it will look, we have to keep our eyes on the prize - emancipation from the whole system, and let that be our lodestar. Never quit. Never. We are in the stream of history, and we have been given a grave and momentous responsibility. Every day we delayed them was a victory.

There is a long struggle ahead, and it will become more terrible. But just as those before us fought slavery, apartheid, fascism, and colonialism, we will take up our historical task with confidence and determination, and assert our humanity against these gangsters.

Freedom is the recognition of necessity.
 
We in the antiwar movement have struggled to protect the Iraqi people.

This statement, as well as the idea of civilian casualties, does mountains to show that this author believes that people are better off enslaved, which by definition is property to be done with as pleased, which is what happens when Hussein tortures and murders Iraqi's, rather than free of despotism, even with the likelihood of casualties.

How is being killed, often in barbaric, tortuous manners, better than killed in battle for liberation?
 
DO ANY OF THE ANTIWAR PEOPLE REALIZE THAT THEIR OPINION MEANS ABSOLUTELY DICK? THEY ARE CLOSE TO COMMUNIST ANYWAY.





KAYNE
 
KAYNE said:
LIBERATION OF THE IRAQI PEOPLE FROM SADDAM'S MURDEROUS ASS.

ah. but how do we know that the next guy to run the show won't be as murderous as saddam? after all, when saddam was our good buddy, he was still murderous then, no? The only difference between the 80's and now is that saddam is now on our bad side.

my point is, it's a joke that all of a sudden that our government is worried about the people of iraq? Why are we worried now all of a sudden? and since when did we get into the business of liberating everyione? Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see everyone get liberated from murderers like saddam. but somehow I don't think that's going to happen.
 
frightening reading. destabilisation of the reigon is a very potent anti-war arguement

the only real pro war arguement i put any weight behind is the reoval of saddam. its telling the supposed al-queada links and proof of illicit WMD have taken an eventual secondary role to these
 
The Nature Boy said:


ah. but how do we know that the next guy to run the show won't be as murderous as saddam? after all, when saddam was our good buddy, he was still murderous then, no? The only difference between the 80's and now is that saddam is now on our bad side.

my point is, it's a joke that all of a sudden that our government is worried about the people of iraq? Why are we worried now all of a sudden? and since when did we get into the business of liberating everyione? Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see everyone get liberated from murderers like saddam. but somehow I don't think that's going to happen.

I am in agreement that the US has intervened in foreign affairs, often irrationally, and that our present goal is not simply for the liberation of the Iraqi people. But to believe that killing Saddam, having the US allow democratic elections and a more representative government be established, is not better than what is presently in place is foolish. The people are going to be given a chance to better themselves, it will be their choice. Even if freedom is secondary to other goals, it is still better than what they currently endure.
 
atlantabiolab said:


I am in agreement that the US has intervened in foreign affairs, often irrationally, and that our present goal is not simply for the liberation of the Iraqi people. But to believe that killing Saddam, having the US allow democratic elections and a more representative government be established, is not better than what is presently in place is foolish. The people are going to be given a chance to better themselves, it will be their choice. Even if freedom is secondary to other goals, it is still better than what they currently endure.

at least you and i can agree on something...:)
 
atlantabiolab said:


I am in agreement that the US has intervened in foreign affairs, often irrationally, and that our present goal is not simply for the liberation of the Iraqi people. But to believe that killing Saddam, having the US allow democratic elections and a more representative government be established, is not better than what is presently in place is foolish. The people are going to be given a chance to better themselves, it will be their choice. Even if freedom is secondary to other goals, it is still better than what they currently endure.

you see, I am in total agreement. my point is that I don't see the elections thing happening. The US cannot affoard this to happen. What happens if a guy gets elected that's anti-US? Do we go back again? What will happen (obviously I'm speculating) is that we'll install some pupet strongman in there, who will murder his people just like saddam, except the only difference is that he'll be counted as an ally. Eventually the citizens will overthrow him and anti-US sentiment will be even higher than it has ever been, and as a reactionary move some guy akin to saddam (anti-US) will be in power.

I hope you're right about the elections and democracy. because if you're wrong we'll be back, AGAIN.
 
skaman607 said:
I dont get why people have a problem with oil being a justification for war.

Have you ever experienced war first hand?

DONT LIE
 
One should note that 65% of the Iraqi population is Shiite and are , according to some report i saw recently, quite loyal to a religious leader who is currently in Iran.
This could be a problem for democracy.
 
Frackal said:


Have you ever experienced war first hand?

DONT LIE

Sorry, I'm a little too young for war, but if i was called, I would go, this could be the thing that saves our economy.
 
I guarantee you change your tune once you get back. If you get back. BTW, you called me out on poinks post, I responded to his reasons
 
murder for a uptick in the economy? your are a cold son of a bitch.

murder for cheap gas? your making me sick.

are any of you thinking off the end of your dicks about what oyur saying? its like the whoole pro war arguement is puppeting an idiots remarks. 'we will disarm............sa-ddam hu-ssein.'

maybe this needs to be said, but just because somethings good for you does not make it good. sociopaths think that.

and about liberation of the iraqi ppl, what a fucking joke. we will give them several choices of pro US rulers. we will control the debate, much like bushies have been trying to do here in the US.
 
Dude he'd last 3 seconds on the Iraqi battlefield... after he watches an errant DU shell liquify a 4 year old and gets covered in entrails he'd be cowering in the sand.
 
Sinistar said:
ROLLING START

March 17, 2003, 1500 hrs PST (FTW) -- The full-scale, unilateral US invasion of Iraq appears – to many – to be imminent as this is written.

THIS IS NOT A UNILATERAL INVASION!!!

here is a list of countries that are *publicly* supporting the US war with:

Afghanistan, Albania, Australia, Azerbaijan, Britain, Colombia, the Czech Republic, Denmark, El Salvador, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Georgia, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Japan, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, the Netherlands, Nicaragua, the Philippines, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, South Korea, Spain, Turkey and Uzbekistan.
 
most of those countries who have dick for a military and economy.

a few are good, denmark, netherlans, japan, uk, turkey spain, australia and maybe the czech republic. the rest have no wothwhile econom, any state militia could hold ground to the rest of those military wise.

you forgot to add israel, though they will do it from the sidelines.

i still see no justification for this war. i know the arguments but is war really the asnwer. you all who support it seem excited about it. you would'nt be too excited if you were over there. when it's not you in danger it's all fun and games but when the tide turns it's a different story.
 
p0ink you say it doesnt mattr if those little countries oppose us, but it matters if they support us? ps responded to you on my thread too bro, go look
 
Sushi X said:
most of those countries who have dick for a military and economy.

a few are good, denmark, netherlans, japan, uk, turkey spain, australia and maybe the czech republic. the rest have no wothwhile econom, any state militia could hold ground to the rest of those military wise.

you forgot to add israel, though they will do it from the sidelines.


oh, i see how it is. you make fun of these small countries for not having a large powerful army, but yet you liberals were trying to force us to ask countries like cameroon and guinea (which only has electricity 3 days a week from midnight-6am) for their OK to protected ourselves.

makes a lot of sense.
 
The Nature Boy said:


ah. but how do we know that the next guy to run the show won't be as murderous as saddam? after all, when saddam was our good buddy, he was still murderous then, no? The only difference between the 80's and now is that saddam is now on our bad side.

my point is, it's a joke that all of a sudden that our government is worried about the people of iraq? Why are we worried now all of a sudden? and since when did we get into the business of liberating everyione? Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see everyone get liberated from murderers like saddam. but somehow I don't think that's going to happen.


SADDAM IS IN A PECULIAR POSITION WHEN IT COMES TO OIL. I'M QUITE SURE THAT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT ALSO.




KAYNE
 
danielson said:
frightening reading. destabilisation of the reigon is a very potent anti-war arguement

Yes. God forbid we destabilize the rock like stability of the middle east. lol. Destabilize the middle east?? Do you realise what you said?
 
KAYNE said:



SADDAM IS IN A PECULIAR POSITION WHEN IT COMES TO OIL. I'M QUITE SURE THAT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT ALSO.




KAYNE

I KNOW this, but I'm addressing the whole, "lets liberate the poor iraqi citizens" excuse, which is a load of crap.
 
Re: Re: The Idiot Prince Will Have His War

p0ink said:


THIS IS NOT A UNILATERAL INVASION!!!

here is a list of countries that are *publicly* supporting the US war with:

Afghanistan, Albania, Australia, Azerbaijan, Britain, Colombia, the Czech Republic, Denmark, El Salvador, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Georgia, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Japan, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, the Netherlands, Nicaragua, the Philippines, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, South Korea, Spain, Turkey and Uzbekistan.

which of these countries is supplying troops for the invasion? because, correct me if I'm wrong, but publicly supporting an invasion and taking part in the invasion are two very different things.
 
p0ink said:


oh, i see how it is. you make fun of these small countries for not having a large powerful army, but yet you liberals were trying to force us to ask countries like cameroon and guinea (which only has electricity 3 days a week from midnight-6am) for their OK to protected ourselves.

makes a lot of sense.

was'nt picking on those countries but merely stating the fact that they have no real power. it's good they support us but what significant power do they really have. us liberals? come on p0ink, have'nt you learned yet i, like many, keep myself seperate from most on the left and even those of us in the middle. you conservatives think we should be able to do what ever we wish no matter the cost. iraq is not an immediate threat to the united states. don't feed me this link to bin ladin rhetoric, there's no proof, so where is the threat? attacking israel? not my problem, like someone said, frack or nature, they have'nt committed any troops to help us in times past so why should we send half or 3/4 of our military half way around the world to fight and die for them when they do jack for us?
 
Key point....

We have had our course charted now, and the military option is all the US ruling class really has to maintain its dominance.
Sheeple, this is the main point!

It's not GW's war! Those who wield the power are above our government and they want this. The ruling class is not the Republicans, the Democrats, or the people in office, it's the wealthy powerbrokers. This war is going to profit them big time at the expense of everyone else.

That Saddam is a threat that sooner or later needs dealing with is just a convienent target. That's why it's a no-win situation. Even if we held back until he was a big enough threat that nobody questioned it, the same results could happen, and the same "ruling class" would benefit from it.
 
"Sorry, I'm a little too young for war, but if i was called, I would go, this could be the thing that saves our economy."

Pretty cold. It could also be the VERY THING that completely destroy it as well.

Wars for markets and economics was the VERY issue that my Great Uncle became the first conscientious objector in the history of the U.S. He was not against defending the U.S., if attacked, but did not believe that money and markets were a good enough reason to kill human beings for. He defended himself before the U.S. Supreme Court of the United States without legal council and was sentanced to 30 years hard labor at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas. He had cancelled a planned wedding which would have gotten him off the hook for the draft as he felt he had to take the stand and fight the issue on its own merits rather than just get out the easy way. He was released at the end of the First World War when president Wilson granted general amnesty.

Maybe you should read the following from some top level republicans INSIDE of Homeland Security and see what possible scenarios that they are freaking out about falling out from all of this. They, like I, have some common agreements on the scenarios suprisingly too. Based on what I have seen I also agree with them that true martial law is coming to the U.S. and sooner than you think. Read on and enjoy. Maybe it would do some good to think about the "bigger picture" and that all acts have ramifications that should be equally considered before going on some half baked adventure. There were very good reaons George Bush senior left Sadaam in power. His son is too arrogant and out of control to understand. So here it is complete with source references at the end if you should care to check any of this out for yourself:

Tuesday 18 March 2003

An associate of mine, a former political appointee, recently spoke to a Republican friend of his who serves in a senior position in what has become the Office of Homeland Security. He reports that this official, along with many of his colleagues across the political spectrum within the apparatus of government, are absolutely terrified of George W. Bush. According to this official, the consensus is that Bush has completely lost touch with reality, and is bringing us to a place where politics will no longer matter.

A London newspaper, the Guardian, has quoted a source close to the administration as saying, "This has been the worst diplomatic debacle of our lifetime." A senior White House official is also quoted as saying, in a voice reportedly awash with sarcasm, "There's a recognition that this has not been our finest diplomatic hour."

There is no calculating the understatement here. There was never any diplomacy involved here to begin with. This has been a disaster, and it is about to get worse by orders of magnitude.

The weapons inspectors, empowered by UN resolution 1441 to ferret out the weapons everyone is so concerned about, have packed their bags and fled Iraq. They have been betrayed by the Bush administration, by Tony Blair and by Spain, as they worked to protect us from both these weapons and from the dreadful effects of a war in the Middle East.

The inspections were working – weapons were being dismantled, Hussein was under control, and no mass destruction materials were found. The fact that the hammer has come down before these inspectors were even half done with their work means, simply, that those pushing for war never wanted the inspections to work in the first place.

Welcome to the timeline.

Very soon now, perhaps within the next 72 hours, the Pentagon's "Shock and Awe" battle plan will be put into effect. 3,000 munitions, including some 800 cruise missiles, will rain down on Baghdad, a city inhabited by some 5 million civilians. This will be done in the hope that the Iraqi army will surrender, thus avoiding the need to send U.S. troops in to fight a ruinous house-to-house battle.

The Arab news service Al Jazeera, operating out of Qatar, will capture images of thousands and thousands of Iraqi civilians sprawled and shattered and bloody in the Baghdad streets, in a manner quite like the bodies we saw in New York on September 11. The resulting explosion of rage within the moderate and extremist Muslim world will be immediate and ferocious.

The terrorism alert status in America will rise to red. Troops will appear in the streets.

Saddam Hussein will not flee, and his forces will stand in Baghdad. American troops will be forced to fight downtown.

The oilheads in Iraq will be fired, and the pipeheads will be opened.

Israel will be attacked, much to the dismay of Bush administration officials who have pushed this war in the erroneous assumption that such action will serve to protect that nation. Unlike the first Gulf War, this time Israel will strike back.

American homeland security forces – police, fire fighters and emergency rescue personnel – will watch their radios nervously, waiting for the inevitable call. They know, better than anyone, that this country is not ready to defend itself against an attack. Their budgets have been gutted, the promised funding to augment their preparedness has not come. They are not ready, but they stand and wait regardless, because that is what they have pledged to do.

Somewhere in America – perhaps in New York, perhaps in Washington DC, Boston, Philadelphia, Houston, Los Angeles, Chicago, Baltimore, Miami, Pittsburgh, Kansas City, Detroit, San Francisco, Cleveland, Atlanta, perhaps in all of them simultaneously – there will be an explosion. A group that cares nothing for the well being of Saddam Hussein will take responsibility, in the name of those thousands of Iraqi Muslims slaughtered in the initial aerial bombardment of Baghdad.

The body bags will come out, here at home and across the sea in Iraq, as Americans begin to die in terrible numbers.

Martial law will be declared, habeas corpus will be suspended, posse comitatus will be left aside, and the strictures outlined by both Patriot Acts will come to full bloom. 227 years of constitutional law in America will draw to a close.

An oil shock will roll across the global community, ripping through an already precarious economic situation. Here at home, the financial cost of this war will hurl us further into deficit.

More explosions will echo across the streets of America. They could be nuclear or biological or chemical in nature, because in the effort to overthrow Hussein we have ignored completely the fact that al Qaeda certainly possesses the capabilities to attack us with these weapons, having needed no help whatsoever from Hussein. These explosions could come from simple fertilizer, as well. Remember that two men with a sniper rifle and a car held Maryland hostage for a month. It does not take much, considering the shoddy state of affairs in the homeland security realm.

In all likelihood, America will score a decisive military victory. U.S. forces will invest Iraq. The Halliburton subsidiary Brown & Root will begin construction on any number of permanent military bases. Administration officials will begin to formulate plans for the removal of other governments in the Middle East, both friendly and unfriendly, by any means necessary.

Civil war will break out in Iraq as the Shia majority, the Kurdish and Sunni minorities, go for each other's throats. American constabulary work there will become infinitely complicated.

The United States of America has concluded an incredible, perhaps unstoppable, race to the bottom since January of 2001. The disputed election brought to power a mob of men – Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, Bolton – who have been planning this war since at least 1997. The attacks of September 11, allowed in no small part by purposeful blinders placed over the eyes of our intelligence services lest they offend petroleum principalities like Saudi Arabia with their prickly questions, gave these men the excuse they needed for war.

The Bush administration's reaction to 9/11 – placing blame on "evildoers" instead of starting an honest dialogue, blocking an independent investigation of the attack for over a year, nominating master secret-keeper Henry Kissinger to chair that investigative panel in what was perhaps the most disgusting insult possible to the families of the lost, ignoring the real terrorist threats in order to focus on the politically expedient annihilation of Iraq, instituting the most ham-fisted diplomatic push ever seen in the history of this nation by utterly ignoring the eleven Security Council members who said no to this war, disrupting international relations vital to the pursuit of true terrorist threats, and all the while underfunding the homeland defenses necessary to protect the American people – has led us to this dismal place.

The destruction of Saddam Hussein will do nothing, zero, zip, zilch, nada, to protect America. It will place America and her citizens in further peril. We stand alone and naked today. We will reap the whirlwind.

Take to the streets. Scream until your throat bleeds. Call whatever congressional leaders you know, full in the knowledge that you will be contacting a mob of failures, appeasers and political cowards. Make sure you can look at yourself in the mirror as this darkness falls. Above all else, do not succumb to despair.

You owe that much to yourself, your children and your nation as we fade to black.



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Author's Note: I have prayed on a daily basis that I would not be forced to write this article. For the sake of history, I have listed below some of the data, warnings and analysis that I and truthout have been delivering since this process began unfolding in the summer of 2002.

The Coming October War in Iraq - 7/24/02
http://truthout.com/docs_02/07.25A.wrp.iraq.htm

The Other American Dream - 9/1/02
http://truthout.com/docs_02/09.01A.wrp.am.drm.htm

For the Congressional Record - 10/10/02
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/10.11B.wrp.record.htm

I See Four Lights - 10/16/02
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/10.17A.wrp.4.lights.htm

The Dead Remember - 1/1/03
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/010103A.wrp.dead.htm

The Stand - 1/9/03
http://truthout.com/docs_02/011003A.wrp.stand.htm

America, Are You Ready for This War? - 2/4/03
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/020503A.htm

Blair-Powell UN Report Written by Student - 2/7/03
http://truthout.org/docs_02/020803A.htm

Osama Rallies Muslims, Condemns Hussein - 2/12/03
http://truthout.org/docs_02/021303A.htm

Of Gods and Mortals and Empire - 2/21/03
http://truthout.org/docs_02/022203A.htm

Blood Money - 2/27/03
http://truthout.org/docs_03/022803A.shtml
 
all i can say is, THANK GOD people like this dont run our government. we would have been fucked a long time ago if they did.

this sounds like the same fucking propaganda that was circulating around during the reagan administration's dealings with the soviet union.

you people were wrong then, and you will be proved wrong again. it is just a matter of time. enjoy it while it lasts.

i didnt bother to read any of the crackpot, conspiracy theory, stupid fucking articles you have posted, but i will comment on one, based on the title.

Blair-Powell UN Report Written by Student - 2/7/03

this is a load a horse shit. the UN report had three parts to it, and only one was 'plagarized' (i use this term very lightly here), was a part that listed companies involved in iraq's development of weapons of mass instruction. this list was already available to the public for years, because our intelligence community (and a few others) helped compile this list. where do you think this student got this information? out of thin air? do you think he had some 'inside' information no one else did? pfft.

this is laughable.
 
"all i can say is, THANK GOD people like this dont run our government. we would have been fucked a long time ago if they did."

Actually the sources were from people inside the Bush Administration Homeland Security so it does come from people that run the government if you had bothered to read it. But like you said, only time WILL tell!!!!!
 
p0ink you big facist bastard, go address my response to you on the thread i wrote
 
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Yes. God forbid we destabilize the rock like stability of the middle east. lol. Destabilize the middle east?? Do you realise what you said?

even more reason not to fuck around with the area.....its like a powder keg waiting to go off.....fuck knows what they will do next
 
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