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The first cycle i'll be doing

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sandman_007

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I've been researching for a bit now, and i want to get the best cycle that I can for my money, additionally, with the best possible results.

Some stats on me at this time: 5'10'', 177 pounds. BF=?? waist =31 inch, chest= 43 inch, bench=305 lbs, deadlift=380 lbs, squat= a weaker 315 lbs

i've been bodybuilding naturally, very hardcore for the past 10 months. i've been a gym rat for longer than that however. In the past 10 months, sleep, training, and nutrition have been the centerpiece of my life.

However, after careful research (and still some questions because of my unsureness on exactly what i a mgoing to do for my first cycle) i have decided that with a proper steroid cycle i can really further my gains. I will perform deca and test-eth injections on either Monday and Thursday or Tuesday and Friday of each week in the cycle.

so i have decided a cycle plan as follows

Week Testosterone Deca-Durabolin Dianabol Nolvadex
1 500 mg/week 300 mg/week 30 mg/day
2 500 mg/week 300 mg/week 30 mg/day
3 500 mg/week 300 mg/week 30 mg/day
4 500 mg/week 300 mg/week 30 mg/day
5 500 mg/week 300 mg/week 30 mg/day
6 500 mg/week 300 mg/week 20 mg/day
7 500 mg/week 300 mg/week
8 500 mg/week 300 mg/week
9 500 mg/week 300 mg/week
10 500 mg/week 300 mg/week 3000 iu/hcg (once)
11 3000 iu/hcg (once)
12 40mg nolvadex daily 1500 iu/hcg (once)
13 30mg nolvadex daiy 1500 iu/hcg (once)
14 30mg nolvadex daily
15 20mg nolvadex daily
16 ? 20mg nolvadex daily

As i still look over this carefully i can't be sure of precisely how much HCG i will be utilizing. I have read that four injections is optimal, or for around 9000 iu/total. I've read that although many users do not include HCG in cycle #1, i want to definetely include it because i want to have the best PCT possible. I want to keep most of the gains that i implement with my extra hard work.
 
sandman_007 said:
I've been researching for a bit now, and i want to get the best cycle that I can for my money, additionally, with the best possible results.

Some stats on me at this time: 5'10'', 177 pounds. BF=?? waist =31 inch, chest= 43 inch, bench=305 lbs, deadlift=380 lbs, squat= a weaker 315 lbs

i've been bodybuilding naturally, very hardcore for the past 10 months. i've been a gym rat for longer than that however. In the past 10 months, sleep, training, and nutrition have been the centerpiece of my life.

However, after careful research (and still some questions because of my unsureness on exactly what i a mgoing to do for my first cycle) i have decided that with a proper steroid cycle i can really further my gains. I will perform deca and test-eth injections on either Monday and Thursday or Tuesday and Friday of each week in the cycle.

so i have decided a cycle plan as follows

Week Testosterone Deca-Durabolin Dianabol Nolvadex
1 500 mg/week 300 mg/week 30 mg/day
2 500 mg/week 300 mg/week 30 mg/day
3 500 mg/week 300 mg/week 30 mg/day
4 500 mg/week 300 mg/week 30 mg/day
5 500 mg/week 300 mg/week 30 mg/day
6 500 mg/week 300 mg/week 20 mg/day
7 500 mg/week 300 mg/week
8 500 mg/week 300 mg/week
9 500 mg/week 300 mg/week
10 500 mg/week 300 mg/week 3000 iu/hcg (once)
11 3000 iu/hcg (once)
12 40mg nolvadex daily 1500 iu/hcg (once)
13 30mg nolvadex daiy 1500 iu/hcg (once)
14 30mg nolvadex daily
15 20mg nolvadex daily
16 ? 20mg nolvadex daily

As i still look over this carefully i can't be sure of precisely how much HCG i will be utilizing. I have read that four injections is optimal, or for around 9000 iu/total. I've read that although many users do not include HCG in cycle #1, i want to definetely include it because i want to have the best PCT possible. I want to keep most of the gains that i implement with my extra hard work.
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So how will you know what to use to combat gyno should it arrise, since you don't know how you respond to either?


RADAR
 
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RADAR said:
So how will you know what to use to combat gyno should it arrise, since you don't know how you respond to either?


RADAAR
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if gyno should arise, i'll keep extra nolva on hand....20mg/day if during the cycle
 
sandman_007 said:
if gyno should arise, i'll keep extra nolva on hand....20mg/day if during the cycle
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Nova does absolutely nothing against Progesterone induced gyno by Deca---------Do more research!



RADAR
 
Thats a big first cycle! @ 5'10'', 177 pounds

Im 270lbs now and dont have that much gear in my system and growing!

To each his own though. Everyone does what he feels is best.
 
RADAR said:
Nova does absolutely nothing against Progesterone induced gyno by Deca---------Do more research!



RADAR
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i've done quite a bit already....but you are right, i still don't know everything. i am not starting my cycle immediately either.

i've read that gyno is cased by higher amounts of deca than what i plan to take however.
 
i agree, large cycle for a first......id save the dbol and deca for another time and just run the test....10 weeks of 500mgs/ week for a first cycle is plenty...and im sure by week 10 youll agree
 
PolfaJelfa said:
Thats a big first cycle! @ 5'10'', 177 pounds

Im 270lbs now and dont have that much gear in my system and growing!

To each his own though. Everyone does what he feels is best.
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500mg test e/wk seems to be optimal from what i've read

as i said, i'm not starting this immediately. That is why i'm checking just to get all the details down pat
 
You will get gyno using that much hcg if its all in one shot. If its spread throughout the week you should be okay. I highly recomend taking nolva with hcg. It will help you from desensitizing your LH2.
That is a lot of gear. I'm 240 and I don't use much more than that. I used just 250mgs of test for ten weeks and gained 20 lbs on my first cycle!
 
slat1 said:
You will get gyno using that much hcg if its all in one shot. If its spread throughout the week you should be okay. I highly recomend taking nolva with hcg. It will help you from desensitizing your LH2.
That is a lot of gear. I'm 240 and I don't use much more than that. I used just 250mgs of test for ten weeks and gained 20 lbs on my first cycle!
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i can always cut down the amount of test i plan to use :) haven't got anything yet......however what i have read is that 500mg/week seems to be utilized by quite a few people for their first cycle.

i can also spread out the hcg injections to 8 shots.....that's why i posted here, to get suggestions on fine tuning my cycle. i've read though, that it is best to start the hcg right at the end of the cycle, continue it, and then start nolva pct. but it seems no matter what i read someone has another opinion, so i can't be positive yet what's best for me
 
tatman3177 said:
radar knows what hes talkin bout. get something for the deca gyno
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if it should develop , also have heard armidex works...

but i don't think my dose is high enough for it to occur, but it is better to be safe than sorry
 
If that's your first I sure don't want to see your 4th. Do 500mg test and move on.
 
nomad12 said:
What will help? I do research but havent found an answer.
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Dosinex is best!
But its better to start with one compound at a time so you can see how your body reacts to it----------Walk before you can run bro!
RADAR
 
Dial_tone said:
If that's your first I sure don't want to see your 4th. Do 500mg test and move on.
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i'm not saying for sure it is going to be my first.......i'm open to suggestions on changing it to make it better
 
i'll see about that Radar.....although as i said i've heard other meds work well too for the deca gyno as i said armidex

ahh, i'm getting confused! need to find what will work best for me...
 
Those are some good weights your pushing for someone your size.

As for the cycle, it's a tad heavy for a first. I'd drop the deca so you can see if you are prone to gyno or not on testosterone. You should gain well from the test dbol. It's sooooo refreshing to see someone post their first cycle up and it includes injectables!! lol

I doubt you would get progesterone induced gyno from such a low dose of Deca but as it's your first cycle I would stick with what you can control, estrogen. Add in the Deca on your next cycle.

Good luck.

UglyASS:p
 
way too much for 1st time bro, go with 250-500mg test e or sust. a week. read everything you can thats already posted for pct. everyone has different views on it. if you wanted size fast in begining of cycle throw in some dbol for first 3 weeks. dont use anymore then that bro, or you may regret it later on.
 
UglyAss, i could give that a try for my first cycle. After all, better safe than sorry!

Do you still think a 10 W cycle is a good idea? and since i'll just be doing dbol and Test-e, is hcg AND nolva still necessary for PCT on cycle #1?

at the gym this evening, i managed to do single arm dumbell rows with 145lbs each side for 5 reps and weighted chins +60 for 6 reps. woohoo! those were both new weights/reps, i did have a bit of extra energy today although i feel i've been slowing down with gains lately.
 
You'll love your first cycle, it's like popping your cherry - you'll never forget! lol

My first cycle was 15 weeks I think (was a while ago lol), I gained all the way through but switched compounds at the ten week point so ten weeks should be fine for you.

Always carry out proper PCT bro, it's the best way of helping to keep as much of the gains as possible and avoiding a big crash.

Good luck and be sure to let us know how it goes!!

UglyASS :p
 
UglyASS said:
You'll love your first cycle, it's like popping your cherry - you'll never forget! lol

My first cycle was 15 weeks I think (was a while ago lol), I gained all the way through but switched compounds at the ten week point so ten weeks should be fine for you.

Always carry out proper PCT bro, it's the best way of helping to keep as much of the gains as possible and avoiding a big crash.

Good luck and be sure to let us know how it goes!!

UglyASS :p
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so you still think HCG+ Nolva is the way to go for pct? others said i should spread out the HCG more though, i am not certain
 
There are no set rules and you will always get different answers. I personally like to use HCG running up to the end of my cycle at 1000IU 3 times a week with 20mg ED Nolva. Then I'll start on the clomid at Day 1 150mg, Day 2-10 100mg, Day 11-21 50mg. it works for me but others may use a different method. That would be timed so that the HCG and nolva runs out after the half life of my last shot has passed, then straight onto the clomid.

Check out this thread for general PCT info -> http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=376177

UglyASS :p
 
thanks

yeah that seems like a lot of pct to my novice eyes. it seems most people choose one or two

i'll read the link tomorrow. Bed time now :)
 
ok! i think this is it :)


Week Testosterone Dianabol
1 500 mg/week 30 mg/day
2 500 mg/week 30 mg/day
3 500 mg/week 30 mg/day
4 500 mg/week 30 mg/day
5 500 mg/week 30 mg/day
6 500 mg/week 20 mg/day
7 500 mg/week
8 500 mg/week
9 500 mg/week
10 500 mg/week
11 1000 iu/hcg (3000 iu/hcg total) M W F 20mg nolvadex daily
12 20mg nolvadex daily 1000 iu/hcg M W F 3000 total
13 20mg nolvadex daiy 1000 iu/hcg M W F(3000 total)
14 20mg nolvadex daily
15 20mg nolvadex daily
16 20mg nolvadex daily

weeks 14-16 if needed
 
My first cycle was exactly that minus the d-bol. I blew the hell up! I was also eating like a horse too, that is of paramount of importance. You will be very happy with that cycle!
 
That sounds better!

Btw my first cycle was:

Deca 150-300/Week Ramped
Dbol 10-30Mg Dbol/Dat Ramped

Exploded.
Im sure you will to with this!
Good luck
 
PolfaJelfa said:
Thats a big first cycle! @ 5'10'', 177 pounds

Im 270lbs now and dont have that much gear in my system and growing!

To each his own though. Everyone does what he feels is best.
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whats your bodyfat there bud?
 
PolfaJelfa said:
Thats a big first cycle! @ 5'10'', 177 pounds

Im 270lbs now and dont have that much gear in my system and growing!

To each his own though. Everyone does what he feels is best.
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Damn Polfa, that's diesel!
 
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