the experts were wrong, again.

[strongchick]

http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/features/2002/jan/modernhumans/020110.modernhumans.html


About 35,000 years ago in Europe, people began painting on the walls of caves. Those first works of art were long thought to be signs of the birth of abstract thinking. Along with bone tools, they represent what archaeologists call the "creative explosion" in human evolution.

Recent discoveries in Africa, however, suggest that "modern" human behavior, as experts call it, may have started much earlier -- and not in Europe. For All Things Considered, NPR's Christopher Joyce reports on what two pieces of ochre are revealing about human evolution.

 

[Golfer18--old]

 

[Train Harder]

 

[strongchick]

I love it when I offend with simple facts. Thanks for the validation.

 

[Citruscide]

I don't think I've ever disputed that first homo sapien activity occured in or around the contenant of Africa??? It's hard to get a read out on the exact dates... because the half-life of carbon is what... 4000 years? So to say we have dated things back 35,000 years is slightly misleading...

They use a process called Urainum dating... urainum dating cannot be used on carbon life forms to date the exact age ... however, it is used to date the earth around these specimens... the problem with this is, the earth shifts, thus, not giving an accurate read out on how old the human/animal fossels are.

The earth next to the items of interest might not be the same age as the items... so when I read articles saying "35,000" years... well... I just wonder.

C

 

[p0ink]

sc, im still waiting you to respond about to all the enron things i posted.

 

[BigGuns2]

I'm surprised that you didn't try to turn this into another anti-American diatribe!

 

[spentagn]

The only group I was aware who were still debating where the earliest evolution occured were some Chinese anthropologists. Some evidence suggests modern human presence around the same time there, though it is argued by some that the evolution of Asians involved a slightly different process.

 

[Sushi X]

this really proves nothing. i'm not exactly sure what they are tying to prove but it does'nt help either way that much. if it's about life originating in africa, well that's a misconceptione. it started in what would be present day iraq. i'm not going into this argument, it's not going to change anyones' views on anything.

 

[strongchick]

It isn't about when life began...it is about society and abstract thought, which have always been assumed to have begun in Europe.

 

[Golfer18--old]

I love it when I offend with simple facts. Thanks for the validation.

Strongchick your a tunnel-minded tool.

 

[Sushi X]

well in that case it began in greece.

 

[strongchick]

well in that case it began in greece.

I believe when they say Europe they are including Greece.

 

[Mdguy]

Strongchick,

First of all, NPR isn't exactly the most 'unbiased' source for information. Secondly, evolution/origin of man has so many flaws that everything is subject to conjecture-as somebody stated earlier, the carbon dating system is highly inaccurate. You seem to be very open-minded, if interested take a look at "Forbidden Archaeology: The Hidden History of the Human Race" by Michael Cremo, which shows flaws in the conventional scientific thought of today with regards to evolution.
Honestly, if abstract thought and society was found to be be born in Africa, what point are you really trying to make..... that science can be wrong, more aptly 'Euro-centric science', or that Africans have a superior culture? Whatever it is, it really has no bearing about what is going on today. Every theory in science is transient and subject to change....

 

[strongchick]

mdguy...you make many assumptions about my point.

It is merely an informational article. You are adding your own baggage to it.

The point is that everything, everything, is subject to questioning.

 

[Bodhidogma]

The point is that everything, everything, is subject to questioning.

holy shit...i agree with you.

 

[rushx79]

read "fingerprints of the gods." by graham hancock..

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

It isn't about when life began...it is about society and abstract thought, which have always been assumed to have begun in Europe.

Who assumes that?

What about the so-called "fertile crescent" in Iraq? The plow was invented there, which led to rudimentary civilizations...

 

[Diesel3d]

You guys should read this

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/A...74990/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_3_1/002-9236304-7880856

and

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/A...5047/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_11_1/002-9236304-7880856

There are a lot of similar books out there too

Based of what i have read i am skeptical we evolved normally.

Homo erectus to home sapiens was way too fast of a change.

 

[Diesel3d]

Who assumes that?

What about the so-called "fertile crescent" in Iraq? The plow was invented there, which led to rudimentary civilizations...

Read those book I posted above. They have a lot to do with iraq.
The civilization way before the Egyptians and the Greeks were the Sumerians from Sumer which was in southern Iraq. They knew of every planet in the solar system including pluto which we did not find until 1930's ( or 1920? )
Strange huh?

 

[dballer]

Someone lock this shit... for a second I thought it was back.

 

[The Ranger]

" I do not concern myself from whence man came, but where man is ultimately headed..."

Ranger's Words

 

[JohnyJuice]

You amuse me strongchick. I think almost everyone here got the same vibe off your post, and it was "Ha! You evil whities is wrong. Evolution started in Africa. Us blacks were here first. We were the first humans." Yet when asked what your point is, you reply " Just trying to show that everything,everything should be questioned" or some horseshit like that. Well, if you wanna play games, i can too. Get this one strongchick. You africans are like the model-t and the atari. You are outdated. Us whites are more highly evolved then you, cause we came after you. How do you like that take on it, Ms. "i am a strong black woman when i am only 1/5th black."?

 

[JohnyJuice]

Hey Stringchick, Let me hear you yell "Black power!! Black Power!!"

 

[JohnyJuice]

Bump for WeBeOppressedChick.