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The double standard in hate crime

chesty

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Why is it that this is not classed as a hate crime?

WICHITA, Kansas (AP) -- The grim details of how two brothers allegedly committed a nine-day crime rampage that left five people dead are being closely monitored by a community that is still shaken nearly two years after the slayings and more than a month into the brothers' murder trial.

The apparently random abduction of five friends from a home on December 14, 2000, is the darkest detail to surface. Investigators say the victims were forced to engage in sexual acts and withdraw money from automated teller machines. Then they were all shot, execution-style, as they knelt in the snow on a dark soccer field.

Four of them -- Aaron Sander, 29; Heather Muller, 25; Brad Heyka, 27; and Jason Befort, 26, died.

Befort's girlfriend, then a 25-year-old teacher, survived. Bleeding from a head wound, she ran barefoot and naked through the snow for nearly a mile to find help.

Reginald Carr, 24, and Jonathan Carr, 22, now face a total of 113 charges, including murder. Prosecutors are seeking the death penalty.

The alleged crime spree began on December 7, 2000, with the abduction of Andrew Schreiber, who was also forced to withdraw cash from an ATM but was otherwise left unharmed.

The crimes escalated on December 11 with the shooting during an attempted robbery of Ann Walenta, 55, who later died.

The case has become a rallying cry for white supremacist groups across the nation because the suspects are black while all the victims were white. Weeks before the trial was set to begin, a Nazi group held a rally in Topeka where the case was repeatedly cited.

Prosecutors are not trying the case as a hate crime. They say robbery was the motive.

Wichita Mayor Bob Knight -- who has made improving race relationships a cornerstone of his administration -- said Friday that regardless of race and ethnicity, what occurred could be described as "raw, brutal and evil."


"You have innocent people tortured, killed, humiliated by someone who is little more than an animal. I'm not looking at it as a black and white issue," Knight said. "I am not a big fan of capital punishment, but if anything deserves people losing their lives, it is this kind of heinous crime."

'Everything kind of went gray'
Jurors appeared riveted by the survivor's testimony on October 10.

"As I was kneeling, there was a shot. And I don't remember, we were all screaming, but I can remember hearing Aaron say, 'please no' -- he used the word 'sir.' There was another one, and another one, and then another one, and then everything kind of went gray as I was shot," she said.

She said she felt the impact of the bullet, but did not fall forward until one of the men kicked her. She heard the men get into the truck and waited until she could no longer see headlights before she got up to check on her friends to see if they were alive.

"I went to Jason," she said. "I rolled him over. He had blood coming out of one of his eyes. I still had on my sweater and I took it off and tied it around his head to act as a tourniquet to try to stop it."

The trial began September 9. Jury selection lasted 18 days. The state was still presenting and planned to resume on Monday.

Dan Walker, a construction worker who was working at a job at the Sedgwick County Courthouse where the case is being tried, spent his lunch break watching the trial on TV.

"It was so bad what was done to these girls and these boys -- it wasn't just homicide, it was brutal murder," Walker said.

Denise Taylor, a courthouse worker, says she listens to or watches the trial coverage every day.

"I want to see what it is that provoked them to do such heinous crimes, and why five people couldn't overpower them to save their lives," Taylor said.

But at Augusta High School -- where Befort was a science teacher and junior varsity basketball coach -- the radios have been turned off in the administration offices.

The deaths hit teachers and students hard, and the school was shut down for the funeral, said superintendent Jim Markos.

"That was kind of closure for us, and it was a good closure," Markos said. "Now it was reopened again with the trial."
 
It doesn't sound like it was motivated by race, that's why it's not a "hate crime". I'm still not sure why race being a motive somehow makes a crime worse.
 
so because all the perps were black and the victims were white it's a hate crime? sounds worse than a hate crime to me, and it sounds like chesty and white supremacists are being a little nit picky if you ask me.
 
The Nature Boy said:
white supremacists

How dare you. While I may be supreme, it's not because i'm white.

If you lived in an area where Al Sharpton and his band of merry men are on TV, every day, barking when a minority is the victim of a crime, you would get sick of that shit too. I'm against crime of any kind (unless perpetrated on Mysterio) whether it be against blacks, whites, hispanics or martians.

Then again, since you are ducking bullets and filling your gas tank from inside your trunk, I can see why your a little testy this morning.

Geez.....you must have gone like 2-7 yesterday or something.
 
The point is this. When I was a cop, I almost always had to mark the box motivated by hate when it was a black, hispanic, mexican, oriental victim and the suspect was white. When it was the other way around, I almost always never had to do that. In fact I never had to do that.

So, you see there is a double standard. I agree that any person crime is motivated by hate and to add a standard onto that hate is ridiculous at best.
 
if the cops or the people reporting it happened to call it a hate crime... then they would be called nazis and racists. There is no such thing as a hate crime against white people.
 
I agree that there is most definately a double standard. I can not speak for other cities but, I do know that here in Cinci, there certainly seems to be more from blacks towards whites than vise versa. I'm not simply speaking of police issues either, I'm speaking of person to person on the street. Hurting or killing someone else in cold blood is wrong no matter what the victim & the suspects color. People really need to stop playing sympathy cards everytime there is something involving two different races. If you're a criminal, you're a criminal & the police have just as much right to drop your ass if they feel threatened regardless of what color you are compared to them.
 
chesty said:
My sentiments exactly!

Things will only get worse if everyone does not act now.

This is not a race issue.. but a government issue. The media, television and motion pictures industry shapes the mind as well as the morale and values of the American public. We can only act as good as they show us. It is up to us to tell them what is right and what is wrong. We have been brainwashed into letting this stuff go and feeling bad about it for far too long. This creates tension and harsh feelings from both sides of the fence. We (black and white) need to realize we have both been played like cards. We have been pitted against eachother by 3 decades of brainwashing.


Remember the old military saying.. "Divide and Conquer"?? That is what they have done to us.. while we fight over petty shit like skin color.. these liberal tyrants are laughing and making sure that 75% of our earnings are going into their pockets.
 
I'm completely against the concept of hate crimes. A judge can take notice of all factors involved in a crime during sentencing imposing a greater sentence for race related crimes. This is done all the time with regard to particularly violent or brutal crimes. Statuatory sentencing guidelines are generally a bad idea in my opinion, it's one of the reasons for the explosion in prison populations even though many are non-violent drug using offenders. Many steroid users on this board would face a statuatory bump to distribution based on possession of what is considered a "normal" cycle because the statute is unrealistic with dosages used by bodybuilders.
 
Hate crimes, racists, affirmative action, equal rights, white supremecists....

all of this is the perfect mind control used against all of us.

Imagine if this shit was not pushed on us everyday. I interact daily with people of diffrent races.. never a problem. But then I come home and I see some story on TV about somthing that the blacks did.. and it is aimed at me.. or meant for white ears. This keeps the whites skeptical. In the meantime.. the same thing is being done to the blacks. They live their lives and out of nowhere they are hit with somthing that makes them want to strike out at whites.

I am willing to bet most of this comes from TV, movies and newspapers and magazines.
This is how it is done. They make billions of dollars on not only the stories.. but all of the left-wing-end racisim crap. Don't all of you see that without the mind control box(TV, news, media) we would all get along.

We all know that the broadcasting companies make billions of dollars. Without the BIG RACIST story.. who would watch it? How would they make the billions of dollars? So while the blacks are out in the street starting a riot.. and the whites are out in a field burning a cross... these hollywood scumbags are teaching our kids about sex, violence and basically taking away the job of parenting from the American Family.. Black and White.

WAKE UP AMERICA!!!

This is OUR counrty.. not some big filtyh company like Turner Broadcasting.. or CNN.. or MGM and Warner Brothers.
 
chesty said:
The point is this. When I was a cop, I almost always had to mark the box motivated by hate when it was a black, hispanic, mexican, oriental victim and the suspect was white. When it was the other way around, I almost always never had to do that. In fact I never had to do that.

So, you see there is a double standard. I agree that any person crime is motivated by hate and to add a standard onto that hate is ridiculous at best.

my point is this. actually I have 2.

from that article, I don't see anything racially motivated except that fact that the perps are black and victims are white. I didn't read anything like "kill whitey" or "die white motherfuckers" etc. If I did read that, then fine, it's a hate crime. It just seems to me that these guys are just sick fucks. I don't deny that blacks are capable of hate crimes, but I don't see it in this story.

also, how come when I've read up on recent acts of police brutality, like the dude who had a plunger stuck up in his ass, how come that wasn't labeled as a hate crime. The victm was black, and the perps were white cops.
 
HG Pennypacker said:


How dare you. While I may be supreme, it's not because i'm white.

If you lived in an area where Al Sharpton and his band of merry men are on TV, every day, barking when a minority is the victim of a crime, you would get sick of that shit too. I'm against crime of any kind (unless perpetrated on Mysterio) whether it be against blacks, whites, hispanics or martians.

Then again, since you are ducking bullets and filling your gas tank from inside your trunk, I can see why your a little testy this morning.

Geez.....you must have gone like 2-7 yesterday or something.

dude, I live in DC, and we have lots of small time sharptons over here.

and we have plenty of blacks who hate whites here too. so I'm not against the concept of blacks being capable of racism and hate crimes.

you are not a white supremacist, but I bet you wish you could be a member of The Supremes.
 
dballer said:
Hate crimes, racists, affirmative action, equal rights, white supremecists....

all of this is the perfect mind control used against all of us.

Imagine if this shit was not pushed on us everyday. I interact daily with people of diffrent races.. never a problem. But then I come home and I see some story on TV about somthing that the blacks did.. and it is aimed at me.. or meant for white ears. This keeps the whites skeptical. In the meantime.. the same thing is being done to the blacks. They live their lives and out of nowhere they are hit with somthing that makes them want to strike out at whites.

I am willing to bet most of this comes from TV, movies and newspapers and magazines.
This is how it is done. They make billions of dollars on not only the stories.. but all of the left-wing-end racisim crap. Don't all of you see that without the mind control box(TV, news, media) we would all get along.

We all know that the broadcasting companies make billions of dollars. Without the BIG RACIST story.. who would watch it? How would they make the billions of dollars? So while the blacks are out in the street starting a riot.. and the whites are out in a field burning a cross... these hollywood scumbags are teaching our kids about sex, violence and basically taking away the job of parenting from the American Family.. Black and White.

WAKE UP AMERICA!!!

This is OUR counrty.. not some big filtyh company like Turner Broadcasting.. or CNN.. or MGM and Warner Brothers.
 
dballer said:
if the cops or the people reporting it happened to call it a hate crime... then they would be called nazis and racists. There is no such thing as a hate crime against white people.

Sad but true.

Another example:

I live in Seattle. Last year at the city's Mardi Gras festival, thousands of college students gathered downtown. In the crowd were 7 or 8 black thugs. These pieces of shit were caught on film roaming around the crowd singling out white kids and beating the shit out of them. They beat one of the kids to death when he attempted to intervene and rescue his friend who was being beaten.

Was this a hate crime? Of course not. There was no mention of it anywhere in the media. If it had been 7 or 8 white kids beating a black kid to death then the media would label Seattle as the new capital of the Aryan Nation.
 
I never could understand why they give harsher penalties because of the race of the victims. Its like saying that killing your own kind is more acceptable then killing people of a different race.
 
The Nature Boy said:


dude, I live in DC, and we have lots of small time sharptons over here.

and we have plenty of blacks who hate whites here too. so I'm not against the concept of blacks being capable of racism and hate crimes.

you are not a white supremacist, but I bet you wish you could be a member of The Supremes.

Don't call me dude. I prefer broly.
 
Fucking sick... Hate Crime or no... they should get the death penalty... I don't care how they get to it.

C
 
Someone re-post that rant by Ted Nugent...I think he said it best....Gotta luv that fucker for telling it like it is.....ROCK ON TED!!!!

Ranger
 
The Ranger said:
Someone re-post that rant by Ted Nugent...I think he said it best....Gotta luv that fucker for telling it like it is.....ROCK ON TED!!!!

Ranger

That was not really written by him.

It is good though.. very good.
 
The Nature Boy said:
so because all the perps were black and the victims were white it's a hate crime? sounds worse than a hate crime to me, and it sounds like chesty and white supremacists are being a little nit picky if you ask me.

I normally do not flame but you sir, are an idiot with a pile of shit for brains. You spew forth ignorance created in that stinky piece of shit between your ears not realizing how stupid you sound. If you had true brains (and not a pile of shit) you would do some god damn ----->RESEARCH<----- and come to the conclusion that the crime in question WAS a hate crime. Example as seen by fox news which covered testimony of the trial......


Comments by Reggie Carr


""Ever been with a Black dude before you Bitch?"

Then he pulled the trigger....

Since I do not have documentation I cannot provide more quotes but let me tell you the carr brothers had PLENTY of racist remarks to say about the white victims. The carr brothers to a GREAT extent seemed to be focused on race. Most of their insults and comments had racial twists on them. Why don't you watch some of the trial before you shower us with more of your ignorance?
 
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IanStuart said:


I normally do not flame but you sir, are an idiot with a pile of shit for brains. You spew forth ignorance created in that stinky piece of shit between your ears not realizing how stupid you sound. If you had true brains (and not a pile of shit) you would do some god damn ----->RESEARCH<----- and come to the conclusion that the crime in question WAS a hate crime. Example as seen by fox news which covered testimony of the trial......


Comments by Reggie Carr


""Ever been with a Black dude before you Bitch?"

Then he pulled the trigger....

Since I do not have documentation I cannot provide more quotes but let me tell you the carr brothers had PLENTY of racist remarks to say about the white victims. The carr brothers to a GREAT extent seemed to be focused on race. Most of their insults and comments had racial twists on them. Why don't you watch some of the trial before you shower us with more of your ignorance?

well "ian". how the hell am I supposed to know that from the info chesty posted on this thread? Excuse the fuck out of me for not doing research or watching Court TV, unfortunately there's no TV at my office. Read what I posted shithead, I said BY READING WHAT CHESTY HAD POSTED I didn't see anything relating to racism.

now go shut the fuck up asswipe.
 
the nature boy claims ALL crimes are hate crimes. This is idiot logic. Many white color *crimes* have nothing to do with hate and serve the purpose of personal gain only. Cheating on your taxes, stock market scams, parking in the no parking zone are all examples of "crimes" which are motivated by personal gain only, not by HATE as the nature boy would have us believe. I am still :FRlol: at your logic, sir.




quote:
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Originally posted by spentagn
once again, aren't all crimes hate crimes?
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quote from the nature boy ---->"true".<-------
 
It does not sound to me like the motive was race, just greed and I hope they rot in jail.
 
If the people where black would the carr brothers still call them racial slurs, rob them, rape them, torture and beat them THEN kill them? Greed is just a faction of what they have done.
 
IanStuart said:
If the people where black would the carr brothers still call them racial slurs, rob them, rape them, torture and beat them THEN kill them? Greed is just a faction of what they have done.

You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitiled to mine.
 
I have proved your opinion wrong. The motivation was not based on greed alone or they (carr brothers) would have simply take the victims money and leave. Your hatred for the white race is clearly shown becuase you even almost admit you are going to blinldy stick to your oringinal hypothesis that yet clears ANOTHER set of blacks from racism.
 
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IanStuart said:
I have proved your opinion wrong. The motivation was not based on greed alone or they (carr brothers) would have simply take the victims money and leave. Your hatred for the white race is clearly shown becuase you even almost admit you are going to blinldy stick to your oringinal hypothesis that yet clears ANOTHER set of blacks from racism.

Greed can cause people to kill, or people would not murder their spouses for life insurance money etc.........

Good day
 
Your statement is geared towards someone that claimed "there is no such thing as a crime committed out of greed." Can you please explain how raping, racial slurs, and torture played a role in the carr brother's crime if it was based in greed alone?
 
IanStuart said:
Your statement is geared towards someone that claimed "there is no such thing as a crime committed out of greed." Can you please explain how raping, racial slurs, and torture played a role in the carr brother's crime if it was based in greed alone?

Perhaps you should go to Wichita KS and try to get on with the prosecution. I don't have to explain my opinion to you, and I'm not going to sit here and argue (debate) with you over the computer. TATA
 
BronzedGoddess said:


Perhaps you should go to Wichita KS and try to get on with the prosecution. I don't have to explain my opinion to you, and I'm not going to sit here and argue (debate) with you over the computer. TATA


I did'nt have time to read this thread,but goddess where have you been???Am I on your ignore list:confused:
 
BronzedGoddess said:


Perhaps you should go to Wichita KS and try to get on with the prosecution. I don't have to explain my opinion to you, and I'm not going to sit here and argue (debate) with you over the computer. TATA

Your suggestion of going to Wichita KS is mindless and childish. You refusing to explain yourself yet willingness to tell me you do not wish to explain yourself suggests you are a racist who really doesn't know what she is talking about. Why do you even bother posting if you do not have facts to back yourself up? This isn't an orgy of ignorance.
 
Now I'm mindless and childish, I was actually paying you a compliment on the first statement.

I'm RACIST, LMAO that's the funniest thing I've heard in a long time.
 
sermon_of_mockery said:



I did'nt have time to read this thread,but goddess where have you been???Am I on your ignore list:confused:

Hey sweets! You haven't posted any new pics, so there is no need for me to hang out here too much ;) Hope you are doing good!
 
IanStuart said:


Laughter is good for the soul. :)

I gave you karma cause that was so damn funny. If I'm racist I must be in denial or color blind cause my hubby is white.......

I will NEVER understand why race is such a big deal to some people. I'm just glad I'm nothing like that.
 
sermon_of_mockery said:



it's picture takin time baby

Your avatar scares me. Don't you think you're just a bit too well endowed for that position?!?!?!

:(
 
It's not a hate crime. The blacks went after the whites simply because the whites got more money. Why spend your time planning an attack on someone and get nothing out of it except a few laughs. The whites had the cash they wanted so they went after them. They know their own peeps aint got no cash so they decided not to go hit them..

But since they did spend time planning it and the way they carried out the attack, i say fry them.
 
Things will only get worse if everyone does not act now.

This is not a race issue.. but a government issue. The media, television and motion pictures industry shapes the mind as well as the morale and values of the American public. We can only act as good as they show us. It is up to us to tell them what is right and what is wrong. We have been brainwashed into letting this stuff go and feeling bad about it for far too long. This creates tension and harsh feelings from both sides of the fence. We (black and white) need to realize we have both been played like cards. We have been pitted against eachother by 3 decades of brainwashing.


Remember the old military saying.. "Divide and Conquer"?? That is what they have done to us.. while we fight over petty shit like skin color.. these liberal tyrants are laughing and making sure that 75% of our earnings are going into their pockets.



Hate crimes, racists, affirmative action, equal rights, white supremecists....

all of this is the perfect mind control used against all of us.

Imagine if this shit was not pushed on us everyday. I interact daily with people of diffrent races.. never a problem. But then I come home and I see some story on TV about somthing that the blacks did.. and it is aimed at me.. or meant for white ears. This keeps the whites skeptical. In the meantime.. the same thing is being done to the blacks. They live their lives and out of nowhere they are hit with somthing that makes them want to strike out at whites.

I am willing to bet most of this comes from TV, movies and newspapers and magazines.
This is how it is done. They make billions of dollars on not only the stories.. but all of the left-wing-end racisim crap. Don't all of you see that without the mind control box(TV, news, media) we would all get along.

We all know that the broadcasting companies make billions of dollars. Without the BIG RACIST story.. who would watch it? How would they make the billions of dollars? So while the blacks are out in the street starting a riot.. and the whites are out in a field burning a cross... these hollywood scumbags are teaching our kids about sex, violence and basically taking away the job of parenting from the American Family.. Black and White.

WAKE UP AMERICA!!!

This is OUR counrty.. not some big filthy company like Turner Broadcasting.. or CNN.. or MGM and Warner Brothers.
 
knight69 said:
your right this time, most of them are below povery. and you husbands WHITE!! lmao!!

:rolleyes: I've never been poor or gone without.



Yup, but unlike you he respects me, he doesn't pimp my ass out to stangers on the internet and invite the entire world to come fuck me. Your wife is so lucky to have you.
 
dballer said:
if the cops or the people reporting it happened to call it a hate crime... then they would be called nazis and racists. There is no such thing as a hate crime against white people.


yup. Who was that celebrity who punched a gay person in a supermarket a few years ago & was arrested for a hatecrime? hate of gays had nothing to do with it, he was just an asshole who happened to be gay.

On the other hand, minorities can be screaming 'honkey' while they beat a white person & not be arrested for a hate crime.

What bothers me more than the obvious double standard is the contempt for truth that 'hate crime' legislation has. If truth isn't important in the judicial process (which it isn't really. The prosecutor & defense attempt to bend the truth to serve their own means) then we are pretty much fucked. Might as well live in stalinist russia if baseless accusations are acceptable.
 
I don't mean to beat a dead horse but if the roles where reversed I just have a hard time believing that our media wouldn't jump all over the murder and label it a hate crime. It would be front page news for weeks. Imagine if a group of whites raped tortured robed and murdered a group of blacks saying things like "Ever been with a white man, bitch?" and "take your clothes off nigger!" The media would make it the next *hate crime* of the year.

I need something to eat I'm starting to bable.
 
BronzedGoddess said:


Your avatar scares me. Don't you think you're just a bit too well endowed for that position?!?!?!

:(


I'm not endowed at all,I'm hung like a gnat.My avatar only represents the actions taken if you were mine to have.You are sooo yummy.
 
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