The Classis Cycle

[FireFire1]

I've always heard this to be the "classic" cycle, and that if you don't grow on this, you won't grow on anything. So let me know what you think and if you'd make any changes.

Dianabol @ 20mg/daywk 1-4
Test Enan @ 500 wk 1-10
Deca Dura @ 300 wk 1-10
Winny @ 50ed wk 12-14

PCT ......................wk 12-14
*Anti e's always on hand to be started from the beginning of the cycle

 

[Nucman]

Everyone responds dif to each substance. I personally like Test in every cycle, but for a 1st cycle just 500mg/wk of a losg estered test would be fine. Deca and Dbol was a common cycle, and so was test and deca. The most important thing is food, next is training, rest, then maybe gear.

If you don't grow when you've got the diet, training, and rest dialed in, then something is wrong. Those things will make you grow, gear just makes the process a little quicker.

Damn, I sound like a preacher.

 

[Apexx]

I've always heard this to be the "classic" cycle, and that if you don't grow on this, you won't grow on anything. So let me know what you think and if you'd make any changes.

Dianabol @ 20mg/daywk 1-4
Test Enan @ 500 wk 1-10
Deca Dura @ 300 wk 1-10
Winny @ 50ed wk 12-14

PCT ......................wk 12-14
*Anti e's always on hand to be started from the beginning of the cycle

I'd stretch the winny out at least another week. Also, why would you start your PCT while your still on?

 

[hammertime30]

If this is your first cycle, then 300mg of test is enough...over that and you're wasting it...I have a newly found outlook on test...not saying that it's not good, but I think we're putting to much weight on what it actually does for us when it comes to actual muscle gain. Most of your gains will be from dbol...then deca will take over around week 5 or so and you should harden up nicely from winny. Start winny on weeks 6-10 and end everything together.

You need HCG starting weeks 10-13
and nolva starting weeks 12-17

With test ent and deca, it will take a while to bounce back so a 2 week pct is not enough!

 

[FireFire1]

No, this isn't my first cycle. And Apex....sorry, you're right i meant to put 14-16 for PCT.Hammer....i think i like the sound of that. I think this is what I'll do...

D B 20/day 1-4
T E 500 wk 1-10
D D 300 wk 1-10
Win 50/day 6-10

*HCG weeks 10-13
*Nolva weeks 12-17
- the reason i was curious, is because I've never used winny at the end of a mass cycle, and i've also never used dbol before. only t3, clen, Test enan, EQ, Winny, Deca, liquidex, etc...

 

[hammertime30]

No, this isn't my first cycle. And Apex....sorry, you're right i meant to put 14-16 for PCT.Hammer....i think i like the sound of that. I think this is what I'll do...

D B 20/day 1-4
T E 500 wk 1-10
D D 300 wk 1-10
Win 50/day 6-10

*HCG weeks 10-13
*Nolva weeks 12-17
- the reason i was curious, is because I've never used winny at the end of a mass cycle, and i've also never used dbol before. only t3, clen, Test enan, EQ, Winny, Deca, liquidex, etc...

Experimenting sometimes works out better than what we have seen others do in the past for you may find that extra something that gives you the best gains ever...Just like myself...I plan on cycling dbol twice within my current 16 wk cycle of EQ and test...So I've already pushed 20mg from wks 1-3 and will push it again at 30mg from weeks 9-12 or 13 so that gives my liver 6 weeks of rest in between, I will still have 4 weeks of EQ to harden up the gains and I get to test out something I read that stated dbol provides more quality muscle gains when place in a rich anabolic environment such as the middle of the cycle vs the beginning! Hey...I'll see how this one works out!

 

[ManOfArms]

If this is your first cycle, then 300mg of test is enough...over that and you're wasting it...I have a newly found outlook on test...not saying that it's not good, but I think we're putting to much weight on what it actually does for us when it comes to actual muscle gain. Most of your gains will be from dbol...then deca will take over around week 5 or so and you should harden up nicely from winny. Start winny on weeks 6-10 and end everything together.[/qoute]

I think I've read from a few guys on here who still got deca dick when their dosage of test and deca were the same.

 

[hammertime30]

If this is your first cycle, then 300mg of test is enough...over that and you're wasting it...I have a newly found outlook on test...not saying that it's not good, but I think we're putting to much weight on what it actually does for us when it comes to actual muscle gain. Most of your gains will be from dbol...then deca will take over around week 5 or so and you should harden up nicely from winny. Start winny on weeks 6-10 and end everything together.[/qoute]

I think I've read from a few guys on here who still got deca dick when their dosage of test and deca were the same.

Yeah....each person is different in that aspect and if my man feels that he wants to insure his hard on then that's fine and a legit argument...But I'm questioning those who take higher test dosages because they believe it's going to give them more muscle!

 

[Apexx]

I'm questioning those who take higher test dosages because they believe it's going to give them more muscle!

I disagreed with you on a different post, but you couldn't be more right
about this. I love hearing the morons who think that if they responded well to 500mg/wk, then a gram per week is going to be incredible. Or the exact opposite, the guy who doesn't respond at all to 500mg, so he thinks that a gram per week will do the trick