The Case Against The Ten Commandments!

[2Thick]

The First Commandment - Thou shalt have no other gods before me!

See? Right away, we got a big, big problem. America is chock full of people with other religions - Muslim, Hindu, Bhuddist, Taoist, Wiccan - some of them worship different Gods, some of them worship NO God. Does this Commandment belong in a court-house? Of course it doesn't.


The Second Commandment - Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth!

Now there's a reasonable, level-headed, common-sense rule for living! No statues, because they might lead to dancing, which leads to... you know...


The Third Commandment - Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.

Goddammit, this one just pisses me off! This Commandment stands in direct violation of the First Amendment, which guarantees Americans' freedom of speech. And do you know what the Bible (in its infinite wisdom) says should happen to people who break this Commandment? "And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death." (Leviticus 24:16). How un-American!


The Fourth Commandment - Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates.

Yer old pal Jerky wants to know why religious conservatives consider such an arbitrary, obviously religion-specific regulation as being fit to be put on display in government offices and law enforcement facilities, many of which (hospitals, cop shops) are open all week long, 24/7...


The Fifth Commandment - Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee. And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.

So if my daddy were Arial Sharon, and I slapped him down when I found out about that whole Arab Massacre thing, then I should be put to death? In what way is this common sense? In what way is a person's relationship with their parents the government's business?


The Sixth Commandment - Thou shalt not kill.

Finally we get to a safe one, right? Wrong. For instance, most people are all for allowing cops to carry guns, and allowing them to use deadly force to apprehend dangerous, violent offenders. Most Americans are also pro-death penalty in cases where the crime is especially horrendous and where guilt is established with absolute certainty. Most people advocate the maintenence of our armed forces, who should be allowed to kill invading soldiers, if need be. Most people believe in an individual's right to defend oneself against aggression up to and including the use of deadly force against one's attacker. A great many people aslo believe that, should we ever face a painful, crippling illness, we should be allowed to choose our time of dying, and, if we are unable to do it ourselves, that we should be able to enlist the aide of another in 'killing' ourselves. And, finally, the majority of Americans advocate the availability of abortions, so that dangerous or unwanted pregnancies need not be carried to term against the will of the mother.


The Seventh Commandment - Thou shalt not commit adultery.

I ain't even gonna dignify this one with a response...


The Eight Commandment - Thou shall not steal.

The first reasonable Commandment... and it's number eight! We're almost done, here!


The Ninth Commandment - Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

This one is commonly misinterpreted as "Thou Shalt Not Lie," which wouldn't be reasonable (It would make police under-cover work impossible, for one thing!). Taken literally, however, this Commandment simply sez you shouldn't tell lies about other people. Don't say you saw this dude stabbing that dude if you didn't see this dude stabbing that dude... pretty simple, and the only judicially relevant Commandment.


The Tenth Commandment - Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

What? But coveting is the basis of CAPITALISM, baby! And capitalism is the engine that keeps America humming along. Therefore, this Commandment is the ultimate un-American statement!

THE END!

From dailydirt.com

 

[revexrevex]

goodpost 2skinny. I especially like what you did with 7th commandment. But aren't these laws based on traditional conservative views which would conflict the current American values lol

 

[big_bad_buff]

Within 5 or so years religion (Christianity mostly) will be outlawed from America (probably everywhere). So don't worry big back guy, you wont have to put up with too much longer

 

[WODIN]

The Ten commandments are a simply a guide to keep the mind clear. If taken in context of the individual, the self, they relate very well to the the bhudist terms of Keeping a Right mind through right action.

Which is in essence saying nothing more than don't be a dickhead and you wont be swimming in judgemental thoughts about being a dickhead.


AUmmmmmmm....

 

[atlantabiolab]

The First Commandment - Thou shalt have no other gods before me!

See? Right away, we got a big, big problem. America is chock full of people with other religions - Muslim, Hindu, Bhuddist, Taoist, Wiccan - some of them worship different Gods, some of them worship NO God. Does this Commandment belong in a court-house? Of course it doesn't.


The Second Commandment - Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth!

Now there's a reasonable, level-headed, common-sense rule for living! No statues, because they might lead to dancing, which leads to... you know...


The Third Commandment - Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.

Goddammit, this one just pisses me off! This Commandment stands in direct violation of the First Amendment, which guarantees Americans' freedom of speech. And do you know what the Bible (in its infinite wisdom) says should happen to people who break this Commandment? "And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death." (Leviticus 24:16). How un-American!


The Fourth Commandment - Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates.

Yer old pal Jerky wants to know why religious conservatives consider such an arbitrary, obviously religion-specific regulation as being fit to be put on display in government offices and law enforcement facilities, many of which (hospitals, cop shops) are open all week long, 24/7...


The Fifth Commandment - Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee. And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.

So if my daddy were Arial Sharon, and I slapped him down when I found out about that whole Arab Massacre thing, then I should be put to death? In what way is this common sense? In what way is a person's relationship with their parents the government's business?


The Sixth Commandment - Thou shalt not kill.

Finally we get to a safe one, right? Wrong. For instance, most people are all for allowing cops to carry guns, and allowing them to use deadly force to apprehend dangerous, violent offenders. Most Americans are also pro-death penalty in cases where the crime is especially horrendous and where guilt is established with absolute certainty. Most people advocate the maintenence of our armed forces, who should be allowed to kill invading soldiers, if need be. Most people believe in an individual's right to defend oneself against aggression up to and including the use of deadly force against one's attacker. A great many people aslo believe that, should we ever face a painful, crippling illness, we should be allowed to choose our time of dying, and, if we are unable to do it ourselves, that we should be able to enlist the aide of another in 'killing' ourselves. And, finally, the majority of Americans advocate the availability of abortions, so that dangerous or unwanted pregnancies need not be carried to term against the will of the mother.


The Seventh Commandment - Thou shalt not commit adultery.

I ain't even gonna dignify this one with a response...


The Eight Commandment - Thou shall not steal.

The first reasonable Commandment... and it's number eight! We're almost done, here!


The Ninth Commandment - Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

This one is commonly misinterpreted as "Thou Shalt Not Lie," which wouldn't be reasonable (It would make police under-cover work impossible, for one thing!). Taken literally, however, this Commandment simply sez you shouldn't tell lies about other people. Don't say you saw this dude stabbing that dude if you didn't see this dude stabbing that dude... pretty simple, and the only judicially relevant Commandment.


The Tenth Commandment - Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

What? But coveting is the basis of CAPITALISM, baby! And capitalism is the engine that keeps America humming along. Therefore, this Commandment is the ultimate un-American statement!

THE END!

From dailydirt.com

Wow! What a thoughtful and logically argued article. I was wondering what Bill Clinton was doing these days.

 

[Chester_Copperpot]

"Thou shall have no other gods before me" shows early Christianity was polytheistic in terms of the root religion that Christianity was, it recognized other gods back in the day. Other than that, this list of the ten from the daily dirt is not funny and a waste of space.

Like Wodin said, the 10 are a solid guide to proper action.

 

[atlantabiolab]

Other than that, this list of the ten from the daily dirt is not funny and a waste of space.

Actually it is a great education piece, for it shows the hatred of morality, in whatever form, by the left. The irrational arguments that it proposes against "murder" (which it erroneously stated "thou shall not kill", but was originally "without just cause" or simply "murder"), adultery, coveting others goods, etc. are evidence of the mindlessness of the left.

But for other leftists, this was to them, a brilliant piece.

 

[plornive]

Actually it is a great education piece, for it shows the hatred of morality, in whatever form, by the left. The irrational arguments that it proposes against "murder" (which it erroneously stated "thou shall not kill", but was originally "without just cause" or simply "murder"), adultery, coveting others goods, etc. are evidence of the mindlessness of the left.

But for other leftists, this was to them, a brilliant piece.

I think the main point of the article was that, while our western morals and even some of our laws somewhat reflect the ten commandments, the ten commandments have no direct relevance to lawmaking.

 

[Zebo]

The Ten commandments are a simply a guide to keep the mind clear. If taken in context of the individual, the self, they relate very well to the the bhudist terms of Keeping a Right mind through right action.

Which is in essence saying nothing more than don't be a dickhead and you wont be swimming in judgemental thoughts about being a dickhead.


AUmmmmmmm....

That was surprisingly lucid........I concur.

 

[john937]

"Thou shall have no other gods before me" shows early Christianity was polytheistic in terms of the root religion that Christianity was, it recognized other gods back in the day.

Good grief. Christianity was never polytheistic!
The Ten Commandments are Old Testament, which means they form the basis of monotheistic Judaism...which came BEFORE Christianity.
The reason for this commandment is: when the Jews entered the "promised land" they were surrounded by other peoples who worshiped idols, sprits, ancestors...every village had their own God.
The commandment says: don't worship like the idiots around you are worshiping!

 

[bigguns15]

So what about the pledge of allegiance? What about every piece of money in the US that has 'In God We Trust'? Obviously the founders of our country had to have faith in God.

 

[SV2]

Freedom of religious practice was one of the core reasons our country was founded.. hence "In God We Trust" on all our currency. Reminds me of a sign I saw in a retail store many years ago..

In God We Trust, All Others Pay Cash... heh heh...

 

[bignate73]

i always get a kick out of the whole "do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you god? " thing.

and that means im going to be more inclined to tell the truth because......

 

[sk*]

 

[curling]

It never seeks to amaze how people will mock and make fun of a being that can crush you like bug bring you back to life and then do it again. I mean I will do over 140 mph on my bike, wakeboard right next to rocks, and do just about any other wild dangerous thing. But man I fear God He is just way to powerful to mess with. Silly humans.

 

[sk*]

It never seeks to amaze how people will mock and make fun of a being that can crush you like bug bring you back to life and then do it again.

Proof?

-sk

 

[bigguns15]

SK, I know how you feel on this subject, and you are certainly entitled to your opinion. You ask for proof that God exists, but where is your proof that He doesn't?

I think you have to have faith to believe either one. For me, I have faith that He does exist.

 

[sk*]

SK, I know how you feel on this subject, and you are certainly entitled to your opinion. You ask for proof that God exists, but where is your proof that He doesn't?

I think you have to have faith to believe either one. For me, I have faith that He does exist.

Where is your proof that santa clause doesn't exist?

Where is your proof that you are a female? Maybe your eyes are deceiving you.

Where is your proof that ...

You get the point.

-sk

 

[Spruceman]

"The reason for this commandment is: when the Jews entered the "promised land" they were surrounded by other peoples who worshiped idols, sprits, ancestors...every village had their own God.
The commandment says: don't worship like the idiots around you are worshiping!"

And that was used as a justification to kill everyone and plunder everything in the path of the Israelites as they sang "This land is mine and you have nothing now!" [sung to the tune of the first line of the "Exodus" song.

 

[curling]

Originally posted by S

And that was used as a justification to kill everyone and plunder everything in the path of the Israelites as they sang "This land is mine and you have nothing now!" [sung to the tune of the first line of the "Exodus" song. [/B]

When you have the Blessing of God that created everything with you and then you can have what He wants you to have. I mean the Land was made by God so He could give it to anyone He wants can't he?

 

[sk*]

-sk

 

[curling]

Within 5 or so years religion (Christianity mostly) will be outlawed from America (probably everywhere). So don't worry big back guy, you wont have to put up with too much longer

You are probably right and then you can have snazzy little 666 on your forehead or your righthand and worship some big ass ugly image of the anti christ or they will chop your head off.

 

[sk*]

Is it just because some manmade law says it's wrong?

Yes, exactly.

-sk

 

[bigguns15]

Where is your proof that santa clause doesn't exist?

Where is your proof that you are a female? Maybe your eyes are deceiving you.

Where is your proof that ...

You get the point.

-sk

Actually, I don't get your point. There are plenty of things we can't prove, but that we know to be true.

So if we really aren't God's special creation and there is no higher power, then how do we know that murder (or any other crime) is wrong? What is that makes us know that? Is it just because some manmade law says it's wrong?

 

[curling]

Actually, I don't get your point. There are plenty of things we can't prove, but that we know to be true.

So if we really aren't God's special creation and there is no higher power, then how do we know that murder (or any other crime) is wrong? What is that makes us know that? Is it just because some manmade law says it's wrong?

Good point. I mean if there is no supreme being giving us rules to live by basically we are just animals. So we should be able to kill anybody we want so we can eat them for dinner.

Also sk do you believe in air? I mean you can't see it you can't touch it but if you don't have it you don't live long.

 

[sk*]

You have to use probability when "believing" in something. How can you "believe" in one mystical being, yet, not in another?

Both are inprobable.

I went through this thing once, so from now on I am just gonna reply to everything with .

-sk

 

[Spruceman]

"When you have the Blessing of God that created everything with you and then you can have what He wants you to have. I mean the Land was made by God so He could give it to anyone He wants can't he?"

And somebody wrote it down that way to justify killing and stealing. I'm supprised that they didn't include the statement that the folks down the road were trying to buy enriched uranium from Niger to make A-bombs and they had to be squashed.

 

[sk*]

Also sk do you believe in air? I mean you can't see it you can't touch it but if you don't have it you don't live long.

Not particularly believe in it.

-sk

 

[sk*]

Well then, I will just have to disagree with you. And that's okay. Look I know that nothing anyone on this board says will change your mind, so it's a moot point. You certainly aren't going to shake my beliefs. Religion and matters of faith can result in hot discussions that don't accomplish anything anger.

I like you, but



-sk

 

[bigguns15]

Yes, exactly.

-sk

Well then, I will just have to disagree with you. And that's okay. Look I know that nothing anyone on this board says will change your mind, so it's a moot point. You certainly aren't going to shake my beliefs. Religion and matters of faith can result in hot discussions that don't accomplish anything but anger.

 

[overhead]

Where is your proof that santa clause doesn't exist?

Where is your proof that you are a female? Maybe your eyes are deceiving you.

Where is your proof that ...

You get the point.

-sk

In your religion sucks thread I posted that I do not believe in God, so I agree with you. But, I do not understand why you feel it required to make fun of those that do. Some people choose to believe, why does that bother you so much? I could careless what someone else believes, if it makes them happy and has no negative impact on my life why should I care?
Our country was founded by *some* christians and some deist. Old Ben Franklin was not a christian, and as far as I know neither was Thomas Jefferson. Deist believe God is a distant first cause, but not directly involved on our lives. They do not want to hear our prayers and will not answer them. They believe that God expresses his will through the laws of nature. If you read the declaration of independance or the constitution with that in mind I think it will become quite obvious what they intended. The tem commandments do not belong in our laws, and if the founding fathers wanted them there, they certainly would have included them in the consitution.

 

[sk*]

In your religion sucks thread I posted that I do not believe in God, so I agree with you. But, I do not understand why you feel it required to make fun of those that do. Some people choose to believe, why does that bother you so much? I could careless what someone else believes, if it makes them happy and has no negative impact on my life why should I care?
Our country was founded by *some* christians and some deist. Old Ben Franklin was not a christian, and as far as I know neither was Thomas Jefferson. Deist believe God is a distant first cause, but not directly involved on our lives. They do not want to hear our prayers and will not answer them. They believe that God expresses his will through the laws of nature. If you read the declaration of independance or the constitution with that in mind I think it will become quite obvious what they intended. The tem commandments do not belong in our laws, and if the founding fathers wanted them there, they certainly would have included them in the consitution.

I'm not making fun of anyone.

-sk

 

[DcupSheepNipples]

Only those that have seen the Angel Of Death really know the truth! And trust me it's not what you are thinking!

 

[primetime21]

i always get a kick out of the whole "do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you god? " thing.

and that means im going to be more inclined to tell the truth because......

i have been to many courts, never once did i see them ask that question.

 

[Anarchist]

if you dont want the 10 commandment in a courthouse, fine. making funof it is fucking rude.

i have yet to see a thread started here with the sole intent of fucking with those who dont beleive. ive seen plenty of the reverse.

i have an idea: get a fucking life.

 

[gwl9dta4]

if you dont want the 10 commandment in a courthouse, fine. making funof it is fucking rude.

i have yet to see a thread started here with the sole intent of fucking with those who dont beleive. ive seen plenty of the reverse.

i have an idea: get a fucking life.

That is the truth.

 

[hellboy]

People just never get that 3rd commandment thing. Read it. It has NOTHING to do with saying Goddammit. You can say goddammit all you goddamn want to. It's about taking on the name of God in your own vanity. As in comparing yourself to god or saying that you ARE god or that you're better than god.

Goddammit.

 

[c-sharp minor]

Hey, even Moses joined the NRA.

"Let my people go.....................before I blow your goddamned brains out!"~Actual quote from The Ten Commandments.

 

[bignate73]

i have been to many courts, never once did i see them ask that question.

dont they do that when you testify in a court of law?

 

[the nature boy]

dont they do that when you testify in a court of law?

not in the peoples court.

 

[JollyRogers]

Religion is the root of all evil, you would think we are living in the medieval ages still, is old school dogmatic bullshit


What year is this, I think our maturity has evolved somewhat, get rid of all this religious bullshit, it causes war, it always has, believe what you want but this shit is old

 

[atlantabiolab]

Actually, I don't get your point. There are plenty of things we can't prove, but that we know to be true.

So if we really aren't God's special creation and there is no higher power, then how do we know that murder (or any other crime) is wrong? What is that makes us know that? Is it just because some manmade law says it's wrong?

Laws have been based, historically, on many factors, such as divine rights, prejudice, etc., but Western society, following in the tradition of Aristotlelian, Thomistic and Natural Law philosophy, used the idea of morality and ethics, which attempts to discern the laws of nature, which govern man. Grotius, the father of Natural Law Theory, stated that "there are laws which would be true even if God did not exist", essentially a code of rules which would be true even if not divined by God. So while there is a commandment which condemns murder, human reason could and does objectively and absolutely determine that this was true; that murder is morally wrong. So, the two just happen to coincide.

Some Biblical laws and philosophical reasonings have clashed, such as the possession of slaves, which human reason has determined to be absolutely immoral and not conducive to a moral society.

Today's legal thinking is based on the more recent anti-rational philosophies of positivism and deconstructionism, which for the former argues that essentially what the majority thinks is true, or the latter, anything traditional must be destroyed.

 

[casualbb]

What about every piece of money in the US that has 'In God We Trust'?

Actually that first came to pass during the civil War (see here). The founders were very pro-separation of church and state, and they didn't want it mentioned anywhere. On a related note, the Pledge only had the "under god" part added during the Cold War when the US wanted to emphasize the non-religion of the Soviets.

Also, completely unrelated, if they do make people swear over a bible that they will "tell the whole truth," what do Jews swear over? A full-sized torah?

 

[casualbb]

Actually, currency had religious messages as far back as the civil war, but the motto "In God We Trust" wasn't added until early in the 20th century for coins. The bills all had the motto added between 1962 and 1964 (note: during cold war).

 

[big_bad_buff]

Exactly, I would also like to ad, that in my eyes, anyone who does not believe in god, is blind by their own ignorance.

You are probably right and then you can have snazzy little 666 on your forehead or your righthand and worship some big ass ugly image of the anti christ or they will chop your head off.

 

[biteme]

"Thy shall not let your dog shit in your neighbor's yard"

 

[atlantabiolab]

The founders were very pro-separation of church and state, and they didn't want it mentioned anywhere.

They were only separation of church and state in the idea that they rejected the idea of a government mandated religion, as they witnessed in Britain with the formation of Anglicanism.

After this, religion was free reign and could be shown in the numerous states and localities which promoted religious ideals in the laws of the areas. You could not be forced or denied rights because you were of a different background, but the ideals of the local populace took supremacy over the few who differed.

 

[plornive]

Laws have been based, historically, on many factors, such as divine rights, prejudice, etc., but Western society, following in the tradition of Aristotlelian, Thomistic and Natural Law philosophy, used the idea of morality and ethics, which attempts to discern the laws of nature, which govern man. Grotius, the father of Natural Law Theory, stated that "there are laws which would be true even if God did not exist", essentially a code of rules which would be true even if not divined by God. So while there is a commandment which condemns murder, human reason could and does objectively and absolutely determine that this was true; that murder is morally wrong. So, the two just happen to coincide.

Some Biblical laws and philosophical reasonings have clashed, such as the possession of slaves, which human reason has determined to be absolutely immoral and not conducive to a moral society.

Today's legal thinking is based on the more recent anti-rational philosophies of positivism and deconstructionism, which for the former argues that essentially what the majority thinks is true, or the latter, anything traditional must be destroyed.

Thank you. Whether one believes in god or not, the whole "everyone knows right and wrong so there must be one single entity that causes this, namely god" argument is flawed.

 

[plornive]

Exactly, I would also like to ad, that in my eyes, anyone who does not believe in god, is blind by their own ignorance.

So... you're saying... I'm ignorant, because I'm ignorant. Intriguing.

 

[IvanOffelitch]

As this is my first post here (been a reader of the site for quite a while), I figured I'd might as well make it a good one...

2Thick...

How "George Carlin-esque"...

I've been following these "anti-religion" threads for quite some time, and were they not so pitiful, they'd almost be amusing.

This may come as a complete shock to you, but greater minds than yours have tried for centuries to de-bunk religion (I loathe that term btw, more in a moment...) and have failed miserably. NO ONE has yet to dis-prove anything written in the Bible...quite the contrary, often times the more they struggle to discredit scripture, the more the TRUTH about scripture is revealed.

In all honesty, I'm really not suprised at the amount of hostility directed at the church (namely the Christian church) these days. Too many people have a mindset of what a "Christian" is...i.e. some loud-mouthed charismatic (ugh) hypocrite spouting off on the `toob, screaming hellfire and brimstone...you get the general idea. These people have done more damage to the church than satan himself! It's no wonder people start to cringe the minute someone tells them they're a "Christian".

I have mixed emotions towards this type of "Christian" (and I use that term loosely)...part of me detests them for the damage they cause, and another part of me feels somewhat sorry for them, as chances are they're simply mis-informed about their beliefs...which brings me to my next point...

Question: What term would you use to describe someone who speaks as an "expert" on a subject they know little to nothing about?...

Example: Someone on this board who has never used AAS, yet repeatedly offers up their "expert advise" on the subject?...or a 350 lb slob who doesn't know a dumbell from a squat rack who offers up dieting advise?

...or a person speaking on matters of religion and faith, having never legitimately studied the topic themselves?...

If I may be so bold as to ask...what qualifies YOU as an expert on religion?...have you studied the topic?...have you spent years of your life researching the matter with an UN-BIASED opinion seeking the truth, or are you another one of those internet BB wanna-be's who simply spouts off the same senseless rhetoric that they heard on tv?...or read in a magazine?...or saw on another BB? Do you even know the difference between "religion" and "relationship?"

I'll answer that one for you...

"Religion" is nothing more than man's attempts to make himself "right" with God. That's about as effective as putting lipstick on a pig (and I don't doubt for a minute that there's at least 1 person on this BB who's actually done that). Religion doesn't make man "right" with God; a relationship does.

Before you go getting your shorts in a knot, I'll openly state that I'm no saint...far from it as matter of fact...but I DO believe. Why?...because I decided I wanted to know the TRUTH, and I pursued the matter without any preconcieved notions...and as Deut. 4:29 says, "...you will find him if you look for him with all your heart and all your soul."

I'll apologise ahead of time for taking such a harsh tone with this post, but it seems to be the only tone you understand. If you honestly want to know the truth, it's up to you to seek it. I'm not goint to get sucked into a pissing match on here with you, as I know where that inevitably leads...but if you care to discuss the topic in an adult, civilized manner, fine.

Try picking up a copy of Josh McDowell's book "Evidence That Demands A Verdict"...it's higher-level reading, but well worth the effort. (yes, I'm aware of the plethora of critiques of his writings on the internet...they have holes in them big enough to drive a truck through)

The ball is in your court...try to keep it civilized.

 

[Corky Thatcher]

NO ONE has yet to dis-prove anything written in the Bible...

Are you sure about that?

 

[casualbb]

Let's take a hint from the scientific method. Everytime a new theory is to be presented, it must be proved.

Present a theory and wait around until someone disproves it is NOT HOW THE SHIT WORKS. To those religious types: if you want to talk about proof, the burden's on you.

 

[IvanOffelitch]

Let's take a hint from the scientific method. Everytime a new theory is to be presented, it must be proved.

Present a theory and wait around until someone disproves it is NOT HOW THE SHIT WORKS. To those religious types: if you want to talk about proof, the burden's on you.

First of all, I'm NOT the "religious type"

I figured the first responses would be like this...

As I said before...if you want to know the truth, it's out there (not to rip off the X-Files)

I presented you with an excellent source of information, it's up to you to pursue it...I'm not gonna waste the bandwith spoon-feeding the info.

My intent is not to start a pissing match...some of you seemed to want "proof" or "evidence", which Mr. McDowell has provided...but you don't have to take his word for it (or anyone elses, for that matter)...research it yourself.

 

[2Thick]

As this is my first post here (been a reader of the site for quite a while), I figured I'd might as well make it a good one...

2Thick...

I've been following these "anti-religion" threads for quite some time,

Looks like you need to do a little more reading because you have managed to make a fool of yourself on your very first post.

If you had an ounce of comprehension, then you would know that this is not an anti-religion thread.

This is an anti-government thread.

 

[IvanOffelitch]

Looks like you need to do a little more reading because you have managed to make a fool of yourself on your very first post.

If you had an ounce of comprehension, then you would know that this is not an anti-religion thread.

This is an anti-government thread.

I've made a fool of myself on my first post??? lol!

I'll say this 1 more time...

All I did was pose a few simple questions to you, and give those who seek "proof" a resource to begin with.

 

[2Thick]

I've made a fool of myself on my first post??? lol!

I'll say this 1 more time...

All I did was pose a few simple questions to you, and give those who seek "proof" a resource to begin with.

You said this is an anti-religion post. It is not. Therefore, you are a fool. Know your role, troll.

 

[Anarchist]

id just like to know why 2thick and sk* feel the need to scream about religion all the time. its not like theyre gonna cange a fucking persons mind with the way they go about it. it most often leads to rude insulting bullshit.

 

[2Thick]

id just like to know why 2thick and sk* feel the need to scream about religion all the time. its not like theyre gonna cange a fucking persons mind with the way they go about it. it most often leads to rude insulting bullshit.

You should try to think with an open mind.

Spiritualism is a wonderful thing. Jesus Christ was a spiritualist. He said that a person should get in touch with God in private. There is a direct connection between humans and a higher power.

Organized religion was created by man in order to use the pure goodness of spirituality to control and subdue other men.

If you cannot grasp that, then you are in dire need of some self-reflection.

 

[Anarchist]

2thick

Organized religion was created by man in order to use the pure goodness of spirituality to control and subdue other men.

im not into organized religion either doofus. you sound like certain right wingers on this board who think all who dont like bush are libs. you really do. you really need to assume less and think more k? i belive in god. you and your cronies tend to be rater rude about you not beleiving. not beleiving is fine. being a prick towards someones deeply held beliefs is not.

do i need to go further in depth about this with you?

 

[Anarchist]

lts bump this for the thick.

 

[2Thick]

2thick



im not into organized religion either doofus. you sound like certain right wingers on this board who think all who dont like bush are libs. you really do. you really need to assume less and think more k? i belive in god. you and your cronies tend to be rater rude about you not beleiving. not beleiving is fine. being a prick towards someones deeply held beliefs is not.

do i need to go further in depth about this with you?

A person so sensitive about freedom of speech against a man-made institution that is responsible for more 'evil' than any other institution is one who believes in such an institution.

You believe in organized religion because you blindly support and defend it.

 

[Anarchist]

xcellant. so you know better than me what i believe? what a wonderous man you are.

A person so sensitive about freedom of speech against a man-made institution that is responsible for more 'evil' than any other institution is one who believes in such an institution.

you ant to bash jws, catholics protestants etc? fine. go for it. all im asking is that you dot compare god to santa clause. i find that rude. is there something about that you dont understand?

 

[IvanOffelitch]

You said this is an anti-religion post. It is not. Therefore, you are a fool. Know your role, troll.

OK Einstein...the TITLE of this thread is: "The Case Against The Ten Commandments"...NOT "The Case Against The Government"

Sounds like a thread about "religion" to me.

Troll?...whatever you say there O omniscient one

I do find your inability to discuss things in an adult manner somewhat amusing...seems to be a trend with you.

I'll try this ONE more time, in the most simplistic terms...

all I asked was "why do you believe what you believe?"

 

[2Thick]

all im asking is that you dot compare god to santa clause. i find that rude. is there something about that you dont understand?

Where did I say God was Santa?

 

[biteme]

OK Einstein...the TITLE of this thread is: "The Case Against The Ten Commandments"...NOT "The Case Against The Government"

Sounds like a thread about "religion" to me.

Troll?...whatever you say there O omniscient one

I do find your inability to discuss things in an adult manner somewhat amusing...seems to be a trend with you.

I'll try this ONE more time, in the most simplistic terms...

all I asked was "why do you believe what you believe?"

I, I believe in music, Oh I, I believe in love.