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The Biblical Believers....
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Atheists the least trusted????
http://www.mndaily.com/articles/2006/03/24/67686
March 24, 2006
Survey: U.S. trust lowest for atheists
By Jeannine Aquino
Atheists are America's least trusted group, according to a national survey conducted by University sociology researchers.
Based on a telephone survey of more than 2,000 households and in-depth interviews with more than 140 people, researchers found that Americans rate atheists below Muslims, recent immigrants, homosexuals and other groups as "sharing their vision of American society." Americans are also least willing to let their children marry atheists.
"It tells us about how Americans view religion," said Penny Edgell, an associate sociology professor and the study's lead researcher. "Many Americans seem to believe some kind of religious faith is central to being a good American and a good person."
The study will appear in the April issue of the "American Sociological Review." Professor Joseph Gerteis and associate professor Douglas Hartmann are study co-authors. It is the first in a series of national studies conducted by the American Mosaic Project, a three-year project that looks at race, religion and cultural diversity in the United States.
Edgell said Americans traditionally have been a religious people and associate faith with being a good citizen. The survey results indicate that this belief hasn't changed, Edgell said.
Those surveyed tended to view people who don't believe in a god as the "ultimate self-interested actor who doesn't care about anyone but themselves," Edgell said.
Cole Ries, the president of the Maranatha Christian Fellowship said he does not agree with that perception.
"Atheists seem to be concerned with the human good," he said. "Where I differ as a Christian is that I'm more concerned with God's will than man's will."
Still, Ries said, "I don't believe that anybody is really an atheist. I believe that deep down everyone knows there is a god."
Robert O'Connor, a sophomore and member of Campus Atheists and Secular Humanists, said he was not surprised by the survey results.
Americans generally are very religious, O'Connor said, and people usually are suspicious about those who do not share the same beliefs.
"People really strongly believe that religion and good morals are one and the same," O'Connor said. "Increasing problems of society - for example, juvenile delinquency - are being blamed on lack of religious value."
Joe Foley, co-chairman for Campus Atheists and Secular Humanists, was not surprised by the results, either.
"I know atheists aren't studied that much as a sociological group, but I guess atheists are one of the last groups remaining that it's still socially acceptable to hate," Foley said.
First-year pharmacy student Amanda Wawrzynia, however, found the study reasonable.
She said she would have ranked atheists at the bottom of the list of those sharing the same vision of American society.
"I would rather have my kids marry someone of a different religion than someone who has none," she said.
Yet Benjamin Abrams, a member of the Jewish student center Hillel, said he was surprised people would have reservations about their children marrying atheists.
"I understand if people want to marry someone of a similar faith, but I don't understand why it would be any different from marrying a Muslim, a Jew or a Christian," Abrams said. "It's another religious belief. I don't understand why atheism would have negative connotations."
Abrams said Judaism teaches that people's actions, not one's beliefs, are what matter most.
"(Atheists) should have the same rights to not believe as someone would have the right to believe," he said.
First-year biology student Joe Reutiman calls the results a "sad state of affairs."
"(Atheists) have the right to believe whatever they want, even if that belief is nothing," Reutiman said. "They shouldn't have to fit in with the clean-cut American life like a Norman Rockwell painting."
Atheists the least trusted????
http://www.mndaily.com/articles/2006/03/24/67686
March 24, 2006
Survey: U.S. trust lowest for atheists
By Jeannine Aquino
Atheists are America's least trusted group, according to a national survey conducted by University sociology researchers.
Based on a telephone survey of more than 2,000 households and in-depth interviews with more than 140 people, researchers found that Americans rate atheists below Muslims, recent immigrants, homosexuals and other groups as "sharing their vision of American society." Americans are also least willing to let their children marry atheists.
"It tells us about how Americans view religion," said Penny Edgell, an associate sociology professor and the study's lead researcher. "Many Americans seem to believe some kind of religious faith is central to being a good American and a good person."
The study will appear in the April issue of the "American Sociological Review." Professor Joseph Gerteis and associate professor Douglas Hartmann are study co-authors. It is the first in a series of national studies conducted by the American Mosaic Project, a three-year project that looks at race, religion and cultural diversity in the United States.
Edgell said Americans traditionally have been a religious people and associate faith with being a good citizen. The survey results indicate that this belief hasn't changed, Edgell said.
Those surveyed tended to view people who don't believe in a god as the "ultimate self-interested actor who doesn't care about anyone but themselves," Edgell said.
Cole Ries, the president of the Maranatha Christian Fellowship said he does not agree with that perception.
"Atheists seem to be concerned with the human good," he said. "Where I differ as a Christian is that I'm more concerned with God's will than man's will."
Still, Ries said, "I don't believe that anybody is really an atheist. I believe that deep down everyone knows there is a god."
Robert O'Connor, a sophomore and member of Campus Atheists and Secular Humanists, said he was not surprised by the survey results.
Americans generally are very religious, O'Connor said, and people usually are suspicious about those who do not share the same beliefs.
"People really strongly believe that religion and good morals are one and the same," O'Connor said. "Increasing problems of society - for example, juvenile delinquency - are being blamed on lack of religious value."
Joe Foley, co-chairman for Campus Atheists and Secular Humanists, was not surprised by the results, either.
"I know atheists aren't studied that much as a sociological group, but I guess atheists are one of the last groups remaining that it's still socially acceptable to hate," Foley said.
First-year pharmacy student Amanda Wawrzynia, however, found the study reasonable.
She said she would have ranked atheists at the bottom of the list of those sharing the same vision of American society.
"I would rather have my kids marry someone of a different religion than someone who has none," she said.
Yet Benjamin Abrams, a member of the Jewish student center Hillel, said he was surprised people would have reservations about their children marrying atheists.
"I understand if people want to marry someone of a similar faith, but I don't understand why it would be any different from marrying a Muslim, a Jew or a Christian," Abrams said. "It's another religious belief. I don't understand why atheism would have negative connotations."
Abrams said Judaism teaches that people's actions, not one's beliefs, are what matter most.
"(Atheists) should have the same rights to not believe as someone would have the right to believe," he said.
First-year biology student Joe Reutiman calls the results a "sad state of affairs."
"(Atheists) have the right to believe whatever they want, even if that belief is nothing," Reutiman said. "They shouldn't have to fit in with the clean-cut American life like a Norman Rockwell painting."
javaguru
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Apparently, 68% of Republicans do not believe in evolution.
http://pandagon.net/2007/06/13/most-republicans-dont-believe-in-evolution/
"The majority of Republicans in the United States do not believe the theory of evolution is true and do not believe that humans evolved over millions of years from less advanced forms of life. This suggests that when three Republican presidential candidates at a May debate stated they did not believe in evolution, they were generally in sync with the bulk of the rank-and-file Republicans whose nomination they are seeking to obtain.
…As noted previously, belief in evolution has been injected into the political debate already this year, with much attention given to the fact three Republican presidential candidates answered a debate question by saying that they did not believe in evolution.
It appears that these candidates are, in some ways, “preaching to the choir” in terms of addressing their own party’s constituents — the group that matters when it comes to the GOP primaries. Republicans are much more likely to be religious and attend church than independents or Democrats in general. Therefore, it comes as no great surprise to find that Republicans are also significantly more likely not to believe in evolution than are independents and Democrats.
If you go by church attendance, the discrepancy is even larger — 74% of churchgoers do not believe in evolution. And these are the folks Bush loves to put in in charge of science-based agencies."
The Republican debate....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4Cc8t3Zd5E
http://pandagon.net/2007/06/13/most-republicans-dont-believe-in-evolution/
"The majority of Republicans in the United States do not believe the theory of evolution is true and do not believe that humans evolved over millions of years from less advanced forms of life. This suggests that when three Republican presidential candidates at a May debate stated they did not believe in evolution, they were generally in sync with the bulk of the rank-and-file Republicans whose nomination they are seeking to obtain.
…As noted previously, belief in evolution has been injected into the political debate already this year, with much attention given to the fact three Republican presidential candidates answered a debate question by saying that they did not believe in evolution.
It appears that these candidates are, in some ways, “preaching to the choir” in terms of addressing their own party’s constituents — the group that matters when it comes to the GOP primaries. Republicans are much more likely to be religious and attend church than independents or Democrats in general. Therefore, it comes as no great surprise to find that Republicans are also significantly more likely not to believe in evolution than are independents and Democrats.
If you go by church attendance, the discrepancy is even larger — 74% of churchgoers do not believe in evolution. And these are the folks Bush loves to put in in charge of science-based agencies."
The Republican debate....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4Cc8t3Zd5E
javaguru
Banned
Jesus Camp......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UWIb4FwHPg
Bill Maher Discussion...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGceAojHR6o
Even Fox News Doesn't like these people...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns-kPDVXACE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UWIb4FwHPg
Bill Maher Discussion...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGceAojHR6o
Even Fox News Doesn't like these people...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns-kPDVXACE
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avidinternet
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Bill Maher is always good.
avidinternet
New member
javaguru said:
I didn't watch it, but I like him in general...we are on the same page.
I'll admit I didn't read this whole thread.
I don't really get what the big deal is. Why should I care if someone likes the bible better than biology books?
Everyone needs something to believe in, something to focus on.
Some people devote their lives to religion, some people devote their lives to science, some people devote their lives to drugs, some people devote their lives to money, and some people devote their lives to Star Trek.
I don't care.
I think everyone has irrational beliefs - even you.
I don't really get what the big deal is. Why should I care if someone likes the bible better than biology books?
Everyone needs something to believe in, something to focus on.
Some people devote their lives to religion, some people devote their lives to science, some people devote their lives to drugs, some people devote their lives to money, and some people devote their lives to Star Trek.
I don't care.
I think everyone has irrational beliefs - even you.
javaguru said:
Um - I guess it is our fault (not "God's") that we let the jackass get elected twice (or once for that matter).
I don't care whether people believe in evolution or not. Republicans may be bad with science, but many seem to be pretty good with money (which is why they are Republican, I guess).
How is a fervent belief in the big bang theory going to get us out of Iraq?
You just seem to be bashing such an irrelevant part of a much bigger problem.
jackangel
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so much of what i love in this world is either a direct result of religion, or exists because of sensibilities that go hand in hand with a religious outlook. defining something like religion isn't all that straightforward, because something that fundamental to the general human experience requires some flexibility. in this sense, i am religious.
javaguru
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Your first assertion is that you don't care if people care about science..fair enough. According to your twice elected leader an irrational belief in a higher power got us into Iraq....just sayin' I find that dangerous.Stefka said:
Ted Haggard had a Monday conference with your president based on his irrational belief in a deity and the 30 million followers he was able to mobilize....based on evangelical Christian Dogma..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOpMsuz_uK4
He admitted to a three year affair with a male prostitute......
javaguru said:
You know what pisses me off?
I hate that so many of my friends don't even vote because they say they don’t really like any of the presidential candidates...Then they bitch about how much they hate the president. Don't blame religion, blame our disillusioned youth.
JayC9
Well-known member
You could substitute the word love for hate in the first sentence and it would also be true.jackangel said:
Do you not think being 'traditionally religious', in this sense, is like believing in an almighty being because you cooked a huge turkey for xmas? Thank you god for providing this enormous bird, amen.
javaguru
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Is it a direct result of religion or evolutionary biology? God is nothing more than an idea that can be used to promote good or evil. I have nothing against those with faith, my brother in law was a Baptist minister and my sister has a degree in theology from Liberty University; My entire family falls into the evangelical Christian category. However, the US has a president that thinks,"The jury is still out on evolution" and uses his personal belief in God to justify wars, social policy(teaching abstinence instead of safe sex), and stand in the way of scientific progress(stem cell research).jackangel said:
javaguru
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Mother Theresa???? 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8q1m-8npkJ4
Dalai Lama????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXRmPwWGwBA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8q1m-8npkJ4
Dalai Lama????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXRmPwWGwBA
harmonica
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Riddick had a unique view of God:
"Think someone could spend half their life in a slam with a horse bit in their mouth and not believe? Think he could start out in some liquor store trash bin with an umbilical cord wrapped around his neck and not believe? Got it all wrong, holy man. I absolutely believe in God... And I absolutely hate the fucker."
"Think someone could spend half their life in a slam with a horse bit in their mouth and not believe? Think he could start out in some liquor store trash bin with an umbilical cord wrapped around his neck and not believe? Got it all wrong, holy man. I absolutely believe in God... And I absolutely hate the fucker."
Is that a Vin Diesel character????
javaguru
Banned
Ted Haggard.....the evangelical from "Jesus Camp" that boasts about his Monday teleconferences with the president.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8FOT-Xv7nM
Later......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf1dG21sgHw
Bill Maher's take....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkWcT9CVOrs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8FOT-Xv7nM
Later......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf1dG21sgHw
Bill Maher's take....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkWcT9CVOrs
javaguru
Banned
This is funny.....at least I thought it was....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z-zKNGJEPo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z-zKNGJEPo
javaguru said:
pfft, I'd get the ''file too big'' error.
