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Stryker1992
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Guys, my ballz are tighter than a fucking vacuum sealed ham! What do you guys do to help this? I have been on 400 mg's of primo for about 8 weeks and they just keep shrinking????????? Any help here?
Testicle Shrinkage
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treneriffic
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primo is shrinking them that much?? Are you running anything else? If not hows the primo by itself working out for you other than the little pebbles in your sack
I have the same prob while on, mine shrink to the size of small marbles, the one thing that works for me is this pCT
2 weeks before coming off run
1000 iu HCG ED
then starting the day you come off
Clomid at 100mg for 2 weeks
Clomid at 50mg for 2 weeks
Clomid at 25 mg for 2 weeks
I know that sound like alot of PCT but in the end you will have big balls and lots of cum and will be fully recovered
2 weeks before coming off run
1000 iu HCG ED
then starting the day you come off
Clomid at 100mg for 2 weeks
Clomid at 50mg for 2 weeks
Clomid at 25 mg for 2 weeks
I know that sound like alot of PCT but in the end you will have big balls and lots of cum and will be fully recovered
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palehorse51
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wow, primo only???
GoldenDelicious
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hcg periodically as per whatever guide is popular out there at the moment (theyre mostly based of swales stuff from what ive seen, and will all work fairly well)
solidspine
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That is normal, just plan PCT post cycle.
Stryker1992
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scout69 said:
hahaha!
Yah guys, primo only!!!!!!!
Clomid:
WK 1 at 150mg per day
WK 2 at 100mg per day
WK 3 at 50mg per day
WK 4 at 50mg per day
Also Run HCG - at least 1000 iu ED for 21 days
Myself I run 30,000 IU over 21 days and most people think im crazy but the advice I was given came from a really good source.. I have try other amounts but since I have been doing it like this I get much better results....
WK 1 at 150mg per day
WK 2 at 100mg per day
WK 3 at 50mg per day
WK 4 at 50mg per day
Also Run HCG - at least 1000 iu ED for 21 days
Myself I run 30,000 IU over 21 days and most people think im crazy but the advice I was given came from a really good source.. I have try other amounts but since I have been doing it like this I get much better results....
pitbullrocco
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Ralkoh said:
poor leydigs.....
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dline
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pitbullrocco said:poor leydigs.....
+1
DLine
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ego boner
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mauit44 said:
yes. test will make them shrink
blut wump
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Shrinkage is reversible and, over the course of a typical cycle, not a problem. During the cycle, running HCG will plump them back up and then they'll shrink again. I often take maca while on and I feel that it helps to lessen shirinkage.
If you don't run HCG towards or at the end of a cycle, they'll still come back to size while you're off but it'll take a fair while longer. With HCG they're usually back to normal well within a couple of weeks.
If you don't run HCG towards or at the end of a cycle, they'll still come back to size while you're off but it'll take a fair while longer. With HCG they're usually back to normal well within a couple of weeks.
beachstud
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I would really caution anyone from taking any more than about 500iu's of HCG eod. There's no reason to overdose this stuff and it can really cause problems with recovery.
HCG should be administered with a 'less is more' attitude in my opinion. Once you've desensitized your leydig's cells then you're really fucked.
HCG should be administered with a 'less is more' attitude in my opinion. Once you've desensitized your leydig's cells then you're really fucked.
mgoblue4you
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beachstud said:
Great advice!
Hell, 500IU a week is enough for most people.
It is best to run HCG during your cycle and to avoid the "marble syndrome" altogther.
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gettinripped
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mgoblue4you said:
and the beat goes on.....and the beat goes on.
the never ending debate of hcg during or after cycle.
mgoblue4you
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gettinripped said:
There is no 'debate' in my mind, but hey, to each their own -- lol!
I do realize that there are some smart folks on this board that think otherwise...
Most folks on most boards readily accept SWALE's HCG protocol (like him or not, he is a top endocrinologist) and run HCG during cycle only (stopping one week prior to PCT).
Those complaining of gyno while using this protocol are typically running too high of a dose. SWALE recommends 250-350IU twice a week or 100IU ED.
SWALE has some of his patients run it at 100IU ED (if they are up for the pokes). I have done it and I seriously doubt that anyone would get gyno from such a protocol.
Keep your balls large and working properly all during your cycle and PCT becomes a nonevent. Makes alot of sense to me...
mgoblue4you
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beachstud said:
He has a another paper on PCT that unfortunately I can't find. Still, the HRT version is the same as far as HCG usage is concerned.
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AN UPDATE TO THE CRISLER HCG PROTOCOL
By John Crisler, DO
In my paper “My Current Best Thoughts on How to Administer TRT for Men”, published in A4M’s 2004/5 Anti-Aging Clinical Protocols, I introduced a new protocol where small doses of Human Chorionic Gonadotrophin (HCG) are regularly added to traditional TRT (either weekly IM testosterone cypionate or daily cream/gel). The reasons and benefits of this protocol are as follows, along with a new improvement I wish to share:
Any physician who administers TRT will, within the first few months of doing so, field complaints from their patients because they are now experiencing troubling testicular atrophy. Irrespective of the numerous and abundant benefits of TRT, men never enjoy seeing their genitals shrinking! Testicular atrophy occurs because the depressed LH level, secondary to the HPTA suppression TRT induces, no longer supports them. It is well known that HCG—a Luteinizing Hormone (LH) analog—will effectively, and dramatically, restore the testicles to previous form and function. It accomplishes this due to shared moiety between the alpha subunits of both hormones.
So, that satisfies an aesthetic consideration which should not be ignored. Now let’s delve into the pharmacodynamics of the TRT medications. For those employing injectable testosterone cypionate, the cypionate ester provides a 5-8 day half-life, depending upon the specific metabolism, activity level, and overall health of the patient. It is now well-established that appropriate TRT using IM injections must be dosed at weekly intervals, in order to avoid seating the patient on a hormonal, and emotional, roller coaster. Adding in some HCG toward the end of the weekly “cycle” compensates for the drop in serum androgen levels by the half-life of the cypionate ester. Certainly the body thrives on regularity, and supplementing the TRT with endogenous testosterone production at just the right time—without inappropriately raising androgen OR estrogen (more on that later)—approximates the excellent performance stability of transdermal testosterone delivery systems for those who, for whatever reason or reasons, prefer test cyp.
But there’s another metabolic reason to employ this protocol. The P450 Side Chain Cleavage enzyme, which converts CHOL into pregnenolone at the initiation of all three metabolic pathways CHOL serves as precursor (the sex hormones, glucocorticoids and mineralcorticoids), is actively stimulated, or depressed, by LH concentrations. It is intuitively consistent that during conditions of lowered testosterone levels, commensurate increases in LH production would serve to stimulate this conversion from CHOL into these pathways, thereby feeding more raw material for increased hormone production. And vice versa. Thus the addition of HCG (which also stimulates the P450scc enzyme) helps restore a more natural balance of the hormones within this pathway in patients who are entirely, or even partially, HPTA-suppressed.
It is important that no more than 500IU of HCG be administered on any given day. There is only just so much stimulation possible, and exceeding that not only is wasteful, doing so has important negative consequences. Higher doses overly stimulate testicular aromatase, which inappropriately raises estrogen levels, and brings on the detrimental effects of same. It also causes Leydig cell desentization to LH, and we are therefore inducing primary hypogonadism while perhaps treating secondary hypogonadism. 250IU QD is an effective, and safe, dose. After all, we are merely replacing that which is lost to inhibition.
In my previous report I recommended 250IU of HCG twice per week for all TRT patients, taken the day of, along with the day before, the weekly test cyp injection. After looking at countless lab printouts, listening to subjective reports from patients, and learning more about HCG, I am now shifting that regimen forward one day. In other words, my test cyp TRT patients now take their HCG at 250IU two days before, as well as the day immediately previous to, their IM shot. All administer their HCG subcutaneously, and dosage may be adjusted as necessary (I have yet to see more than 350IU per dose required).
I made this change after realizing that the previous HCG protocol was boosting serum testosterone levels too much, as the test cyp serum concentrations rise, approaching its peak at roughly the 72 hour mark. The original goal of supporting serum androgen levels with HCG had overshot its mark.
Those TRT patients who prefer a transdermal testosterone, or even testosterone pellets (although I am not in favor of same), take their HCG every third day. They needn’t concern themselves with diminishing serum androgen levels from their testosterone delivery system. These patients will, of course, notice an increase in serum androgen levels above baseline.
While HCG, as sole TRT, is still considered treatment of choice for hypogonadotrophic hypogonadism by many , my experience is that it just does not bring the same subjective benefits as pure testosterone delivery systems do—even when similar serum androgen levels are produced from comparable baseline values. However, supplementing the more “traditional” TRT of transdermal, or injected, testosterone with HCG stabilizes serum levels, prevents testicular atrophy, helps rebalance expression of other hormones, and brings reports of greatly increased sense of well-being and libido. My patients absolutely love it. As time goes on, we are coming to appreciate HCG as a much more powerful--and wonderful--hormone than previously given credit.
Copyright John Crisler, DO 2004. This article may, in its entirety or in part, be reprinted and republished without permission, provided that credit is given to its author, with copyright notice and www.AllThingsMale.com clearly displayed as source. Written permission from Dr. Crisler is required for all other uses.
Dr. John Crisler may be reached at:
[email protected]
extremefighter
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Whats up bro? HCG and igf-1
