Test with HCG while on and for PCT

[cgar1228]

Eeeekkk.. this is not at all how hCG works. I wish it worked this way lol.

hCG acts like LH--it mimicks it and goes to the testes itself and stimulates test production.

LH will still be shut down on any steroid cycle regardless of using hCG. hCG will do jack all for normal LH production. It will just act like LH for you in the mean time while normal LH levels are down.

you are correct my man. i just read this that confirms. sorry for the wayward info

LH normally travels from the pituitary via the blood stream to the testes, where it triggers the production and release of testosterone. Without LH, the testes shut down their production of testosterone.[20] In males, hCG helps restore and maintain testosterone production in the testes by mimicking LH and triggering the production and release of testosterone.

 

[chocolatemilk]

you are correct my man. i just read this that confirms. sorry for the wayward info

Np bro... yea I wish there was something that directly stimulated natural LH production strongly lol. That would be awesome

 

[needtogetarmy]

I run HCG during the cycle M&Th 250ius.

I also run it for the first two weeks of PCT @ 1000ius M&Thurs. About 5 days after my last HCG shot (about 2 weeks and a few days after my last shot of test) I then run PCT with clomid and other supplements. I find this to be a very effective PCT.

 

[skopersm]

So if you avoided atrophy while on, your balls would not need huge amounts of LH to help them recover. So the question is how long does LH take to rebound after stopping your anabolics?

 

[chocolatemilk]

Army vet that's actually a solid protocol.

Skopersm... pituitary starts recovering pretty fast. The body senses no androgens in the system pretty quickly and starts making it's own... problem is it is starting from absolute scratch so that's why it takes longer. But pituitary does notice quickly and starts secreting as much LH as possible in the mean time. Having functioning balls will pick up a weaker signal thus that little signal will keep you going until more LH comes in the picture.

There is no set time though. Although it recovers much faster than the testes if they are atrophied. They will stay atrophied even though some amount of LH is flowing in the blood since its not a strong enough signal to shock them back to production. This is the time people see muscle loss from a cycle.

 

[skopersm]

So any one aware of any studies that talk about recovery of LH after taking anabolics? Are there any facts about how fast LH usualy comes back? If your balls are atrophied obviously it will take a lot of LH to get you back, but if you have been on HCG would not take so much?

If one was going to take clomid after this cycle how would dosage be calculated?

Thanks 4 all the info so far

 

[chocolatemilk]

So any one aware of any studies that talk about recovery of LH after taking anabolics? Are there any facts about how fast LH usualy comes back? If your balls are atrophied obviously it will take a lot of LH to get you back, but if you have been on HCG would not take so much?

If one was going to take clomid after this cycle how would dosage be calculated?

Thanks 4 all the info so far

LOL welcome to the steroid world... unguided by scientific studies. You have to trust in the experience of the masses.

Nobody does studies to see how fast LH recovers after cycle. There is no information of this nature out there. Sure they studied steroids back when they first came out but that's it. And it wasn't studies for cycling just studies on the nature of steroids and uses in medicine.

Clomid 50/50/50/50 will be perfect dose.

 

[Zyglamail]

You have to remember it's effects wear off over continuous use.

Did you read the study posted? It claimed no desensitization at low doses. Additionally I have yet to see a study that shows actually desensitization at low levels and for less than 6 months of use.

The one study I saw that people keep using to back up their claims that you become desensitized HCG was running like 1500IU for 1.5 years and then when they upped the dose to 2000IU they got not additional benefit. Thats not in and of itself desensitization, it could simply mean the body's feedback mechanisms prevent any additional test release due to the increase in HCG.

 

[chocolatemilk]

Did you read the study posted? It claimed no desensitization at low doses. Additionally I have yet to see a study that shows actually desensitization at low levels and for less than 6 months of use.

The one study I saw that people keep using to back up their claims that you become desensitized HCG was running like 1500IU for 1.5 years and then when they upped the dose to 2000IU they got not additional benefit. Thats not in and of itself desensitization, it could simply mean the body's feedback mechanisms prevent any additional test release due to the increase in HCG.

I got you.

Well the deeper I get into cycle the more and more shut down is apparent so I found that ramping doses a little higher made up for it. I'd never go over 500iu 2x a week. hCG is totally safe IMO if used in the recommended dosages.

 

[skopersm]

what do you mean more shut down? isnt the lack of LH and maybe FH the only reason for shutdown, thus if you replace your natrual lh level with HCG you would not get shut down and could not get shut down further?

Somone must have info about LH recorvery?? What is the point in stimulating LH release with clomid if your balls are in order? What happens when you take away the clomid?