TEST...w/ or w/out deca....

[AleaveR]

---Originally planned on doing 200 Cyp and 200 Deca every week. Got blood work before cycle and showed I naturally had low test, LH, and FSH.... I am only 22 so had to get an MRI to make sure it wasnt a tumor....IT WASNT!!!!

Endo said might need HRT later but will see me in 4mo, im treating myself though..... But now I dont know what to do because I have heard that deca shuts you down hard....

These are the options that I have considered...what would you do if you were me,,,,

A) CYP 200 and Deca 200 EW ...Fuck it, deca @ 200 wont shut me down too hard.....

B) Cyp 200 EW and Deca 100 E5d.....Drop the deca to 100 but do it a little more frequently

C) Cyp 250 EW and No Deca....Deca wont help out too much, just do the CYP

----I will be dieting while taking this and I will be using HCG at the end of my cycle as my PCT-----

 

[ripper2]

do the test only and time it so that you finish your cycle before the next visit to the Endo... you'll get your T levels checked be bottomed out from the cycle and you might get a script outta the deal

 

[thx9000]

Personally, if I were 22 and had low test levels I would get a specialist to treat me and if that specialist told me to come back in four months then I'd take my blood work to the next specialist in town. Then I would wait until I was stabilized on some HRT program for several months before I even begin to consider any cycles.

All that said, though..

At least stay away from the deca.

 

[T2O]

Personally, if I were 22 and had low test levels I would get a specialist to treat me and if that specialist told me to come back in four months then I'd take my blood work to the next specialist in town. Then I would wait until I was stabilized on some HRT program for several months before I even begin to consider any cycles.
What do you think HRT is??? I don't think thats going to help him naturally get his test levels up.. A cycle is what he would be on. Maybe not and extreme one but a cycle none the less. Am I ignorant to say this. The only HRT I knmow of is the actual physical replacement of test (in this case) be it cyp, enanth or what ever.

 

[Burning_Inside]

Dude, make sure you are all well and good and recovered from post cycle therapy before going to the guy. You want to go to him with your body's natural levels so you can find out what's wrong, if anything. Not with dropped levels coming right off a cycle just to get a lousy scrip.

 

[thx9000]

What do you think HRT is??? I don't think thats going to help him naturally get his test levels up.. A cycle is what he would be on. Maybe not and extreme one but a cycle none the less. Am I ignorant to say this. The only HRT I knmow of is the actual physical replacement of test (in this case) be it cyp, enanth or what ever.

That obviously wasn't my point in drawing a distinction between the terms HRT and a cycle. His test levels are "naturally low" what is that, 30 ng/dl, 200ng/dl? How much test should he do based on not knowing where he is now? How does he determine that he is now within a normal range? Who's doing the repeated testing along the way?

The intent of his post was to ask about doing a cycle, hence the last line that refers to PCT. IMO if you have naturally low test levels, and no idea how to get them within a normal range (this is the endo's job) you probably aren't going to have too much fun post-cycle. Instead you need you doc to find out how much CYP you need EW to get and sustain you into some sort of normal range THEN maybe you will have some idea of how much to do on a cycle and what to not drop below after that cycle ends.

 

[bseemba2001]

How long after the last cycle did they take the test? Some time it may take several months to get your Test level back to normal. I know it might be difficult to stay off the gear, but give it couple more months to figure out what is wrong before jumping into the next cycle.

 

[AleaveR]

Well the specialist I saw said he might put me on HRT in 4mo but apart from that, there nothing much we can do to treat my low hormone levels. I recently lost over 40lbs so he thinks they are low because my body shut itself down. I know another Dr (family friend) who siad it would be ok for me to do a cycle and RX'ed the meds for me. I finally decided on doing just test and started with 200mg in the quad. Might do 200 e5d instead of ew.

 

[genarr3]

That obviously wasn't my point in drawing a distinction between the terms HRT and a cycle. His test levels are "naturally low" what is that, 30 ng/dl, 200ng/dl? How much test should he do based on not knowing where he is now? How does he determine that he is now within a normal range? Who's doing the repeated testing along the way?

The intent of his post was to ask about doing a cycle, hence the last line that refers to PCT. IMO if you have naturally low test levels, and no idea how to get them within a normal range (this is the endo's job) you probably aren't going to have too much fun post-cycle. Instead you need you doc to find out how much CYP you need EW to get and sustain you into some sort of normal range THEN maybe you will have some idea of how much to do on a cycle and what to not drop below after that cycle ends.

Totally agree. Find out why your test levels are so low, this will require you to present your doctor with blood work that hasn't been altered. It's not wise to play home endocrinologist.

"How long after the last cycle did they take the test? - I didn't see anywhere in his post that there was a "last cycle". Even if he had done one previously he should wait till his test levels are back to normal BEFORE starting another cycle. Some of us like to have a baseline of what is normal for our bodies. There really isn't enough information in his post for intelligent replies.

Have you done a cycle recently? If so how long ago?

 

[AleaveR]

I havent done any cycles, this will be my first. The dr's agreed that the reason for my low test was because I had lost over 40lbs and my body shut itself down. Because I wasnt really experiencing any symps, they didnt RX any HRT yet but siad it might be a possiblity later. I am working with a dr who is a family friend and decided on doing 200mg CYP EW or E5d....still not sure. I really dont think that using test at that dose will fuck with me too much and from what I hear, people tend to feel a whole lot better when their test levels are higher, specially if they are naturally low.

 

[thx9000]

I havent done any cycles, this will be my first. The dr's agreed that the reason for my low test was because I had lost over 40lbs and my body shut itself down. Because I wasnt really experiencing any symps, they didnt RX any HRT yet but siad it might be a possiblity later. I am working with a dr who is a family friend and decided on doing 200mg CYP EW or E5d....still not sure. I really dont think that using test at that dose will fuck with me too much and from what I hear, people tend to feel a whole lot better when their test levels are higher, specially if they are naturally low.

I still think you need to get to a normal baseline before considering a cycle. If you are naturally Low then that needs to be determined and properly addressed. If you are just "suppressed" then you need to get back to normal so you have some idea of what normal is for you. otherwise you will never know if you have completed a proper recovery.

Playing with your hormones when you dont quite know why they are low or if they even are low for your particular body is a good way to end up not feeling well in the long run.

 

[T2O]

Sorry I was very tired when I responded. My point its his first cycle wether or not its HRT is irrelevant. HRT is cycling. It doesn't make a difference if its 50mgs every week or 200mgs ew. I think if you guys are telling him to shy away from a cycle or "HRT" they need to try and find out what is casusing the bod to shut down. Throwing in enough test to bring his levels in the normal range is not going to help him restore his natty test levels. It will only supress it more. My advice if your scared or heistant to cycle do a few more tests and try to get the natty levels back up. If the doc prescribes test then 50 or 200mgs ew week will make no difference imo. Its still going to shut you down. I know a good doc for hrt and they are good with blood work. Hope I'm not sounding like an ass. Its another long night for me with no sleep.

 

[T2O]

BTW I agree with the test only. Deca could do more harm than good in the long run. I think you need to find the cause of the problem before HRT "cycling". If you do not and the doc puts you on a script you might be looking at a long future of HRT.

 

[AleaveR]

Well according to the dr, the cause is rapid weight loss which caused my body to shut down. Whether or not these are my normal levels or if they will improve later im not sure. I had planned on doing this deca/test cycle and got blood wrok done to do it right and it turned into a pain in the ass...mri, endo, the works. ....

Anyways, now that I know that it is not a tumor, the endo said that there is basically nothing I can do. Might need HRT but wants to wait 4 months before he rx's anything. I satrted the cycle last night with 200mg test. I decided not to use the deca because I didnt want anything that would shut me down to hard. I think I will be doing about 300 mg test ew for 10-12 weeks and then using hcg towards the end.

I know I might be jumoing into this cycle but I dont think it will do much harm.... Specially since I wont be using the deca.

 

[T2O]

Cool. Sounds good. I am sure everything will be cool. imo if your going to inject more test than whst your body will produce you might as well take advantage of it and dose enough to make a difference in size................ Let us know how it goes.

 

[AleaveR]

I will definately keep you guys updated with stats and pics as I go along. I have a couple of threads addressing different concerns I had about my cycle going on right now and I will try to keep those up to date with any details along the cycle that pertain to the thread....

T2O...Thanks for seeing that I wasnt going to quit on this cycle and actually deciding to support me instead of criticize....Karma 4 U!