Test/Tren/Winny Cycle Critique?

[WannaBeBig72]

This is my second cycle. I'm trying to lean out as much as possible while gaining a good amount of strength.

I'm thinking about doing:
500mg Test wks 1-10
400mg Tren En wks 1-6
50mg Winny ed wks 7-12

What do you guys think? I'm 32 5'10 200 pounds. About 18-20% bf. I really want to gain some strength and lean out as much as possible. It's so damn hard for me to lose weight...

Thanks guys in advance..

 

[Schutzhund1]

This is my second cycle. I'm trying to lean out as much as possible while gaining a good amount of strength.

I'm thinking about doing:
500mg Test wks 1-10
400mg Tren En wks 1-6
50mg Winny ed wks 7-12

What do you guys think? I'm 32 5'10 200 pounds. About 18-20% bf. I really want to gain some strength and lean out as much as possible. It's so damn hard for me to lose weight...

Thanks guys in advance..

Looks pretty solid. What are you planning for post cycle therapy?

 

[WannaBeBig72]

Looks pretty solid. What are you planning for post cycle therapy?

HCG and some chlomid and taking an anti-e while I am on, I guess until I go on the Winny. What do you think?

Can I realistically drop a good amount of fat on this cycle while gaining some strength/muscle?

 

[black sheep]

I fyou are running Tren Enath you should run longer than 6 weeks. If you are going to limit it to 6 weeks, as I would, use Tren Ace. The rest of the cycle is solid.

Make sure you have a good PCT, you'll need it to recover from Tren.

 

[DIVISION]

This is my second cycle. I'm trying to lean out as much as possible while gaining a good amount of strength.

I'm thinking about doing:
500mg Test wks 1-10
400mg Tren En wks 1-6
50mg Winny ed wks 7-12

What do you guys think? I'm 32 5'10 200 pounds. About 18-20% bf. I really want to gain some strength and lean out as much as possible. It's so damn hard for me to lose weight...

Thanks guys in advance..

That's a bit on the heavy side due to the Tren being added to the rotation......I hope you know what the fuck you're doing, Biggie72.



DIV

 

[WannaBeBig72]

I fyou are running Tren Enath you should run longer than 6 weeks. If you are going to limit it to 6 weeks, as I would, use Tren Ace. The rest of the cycle is solid.

Make sure you have a good PCT, you'll need it to recover from Tren.

Should I run it the whole 10 weeks you think? Are the gains as good as Ace?

 

[WannaBeBig72]

That's a bit on the heavy side due to the Tren being added to the rotation......I hope you know what the fuck you're doing, Biggie72.



DIV

Why is just adding the cycle making it on the heavy side?
What's so scary about Tren? I mean if I was frontloading it with Dbol and no Tren no one would say anything about it... I mean I've done a good amount of research on everything. But everyone on this board makes it sound so damn scary to go on..lol Why??????

 

[Makavelli]

Should I run it the whole 10 weeks you think? Are the gains as good as Ace?

Run it for 10 weeks. Good cycle.

 

[DIVISION]

Why is just adding the cycle making it on the heavy side?
What's so scary about Tren? I mean if I was frontloading it with Dbol and no Tren no one would say anything about it... I mean I've done a good amount of research on everything. But everyone on this board makes it sound so damn scary to go on..lol Why??????

I think Tren is too rough for a 2nd cycle......I think you need more experience and few more cycles under your belt before you do a Tren cycle. Do what you want, it's just one man's opinion.



DIV

 

[WannaBeBig72]

I think Tren is too rough for a 2nd cycle......I think you need more experience and few more cycles under your belt before you do a Tren cycle. Do what you want, it's just one man's opinion.



DIV

Oh right..Thanks for the advice..It just seems to be the best one to gain lean muscle on. The sides don't seem to be too much. Liver toxicity is low. Only thing that worries me is the agression. But I'm not an agressive person naturally so I'm hoping it's not an issue.

Thanks thought for the input...

 

[black sheep]

Oh right..Thanks for the advice..It just seems to be the best one to gain lean muscle on. The sides don't seem to be too much. Liver toxicity is low. Only thing that worries me is the agression. But I'm not an agressive person naturally so I'm hoping it's not an issue.

Thanks thought for the input...

Don't listen to him, that is his OPINION. He has no factual basis for recommending that Tren not be used for a second cycle.

I did the same cycle you are doing for my second, only difference I use tren Ace for 6 weeks in the front, and 6 weeks of winny in the back end of the cycle. I ran Test cyp for 11 weeks.

If you already have the tren Enat, run it for 10 weeks along side the Test. Otherwise I would get tren ace and run it for the first 6, then run the winny for the last 6. The test past the tren will help your recovery as well.

By the way, that cycle change my whole body composition. It was a great cycle, great strength, good size gains, awesome muscle hardness and defination. It was a great cycle, and I kept everything I gained, even most all of the strength.

Run it Bro, nice cycle!

Remember - PCT is the Key!

 

[DIVISION]

Don't listen to him, that is his OPINION. He has no factual basis for recommending that Tren not be used for a second cycle.

Factual has nothing to do with it......

Tren isn't for newbies, it's too harsh of a compound for people who don't know the sides associated with it. I tend to err on the side of conservatism, and that's the smart way to go about AAS.



DIV

 

[WannaBeBig72]

Don't listen to him, that is his OPINION. He has no factual basis for recommending that Tren not be used for a second cycle.

I did the same cycle you are doing for my second, only difference I use tren Ace for 6 weeks in the front, and 6 weeks of winny in the back end of the cycle. I ran Test cyp for 11 weeks.

If you already have the tren Enat, run it for 10 weeks along side the Test. Otherwise I would get tren ace and run it for the first 6, then run the winny for the last 6. The test past the tren will help your recovery as well.

By the way, that cycle change my whole body composition. It was a great cycle, great strength, good size gains, awesome muscle hardness and defination. It was a great cycle, and I kept everything I gained, even most all of the strength.

Run it Bro, nice cycle!

Remember - PCT is the Key!

Thanks guy!! I honestly can't freaking wait to go on it. I'm so damn psyched... How much body fat did you lose?

 

[black sheep]

about 4%

 

[WannaBeBig72]

about 4%

Nice 4%. You still had crazy strength gains?

 

[Makavelli]

Nice 4%. You still had crazy strength gains?

Tren is known for making one strong as fuck, even in a caloric deficit.

 

[Tux]

Gotta disagree Div, factual is everything to do with it. If he does all his research, there's no reason he can't use tren. It's no more likely to cause him sides than dbol or deca, and he can learn how to combat the sides just as well as any other hormone. Also, it's not liver-toxic or even kidney-toxic that I've seen proof of, so it's honestly not even as harsh as dbol in sane doses. I see no reason he can't run it, it's not even an ED or EOD thing now that it's the enanthate ester. Tren is stronger per mg than test or eq/deca, sure, but I don't think it's somehow magically more dangerous or "rough" merely b/c of that. That being said, I do agree with you that it's a bit heavy for a 2nd cycle IMO, and I also think that erring on the side of caution is smarter than the way some( myself included) do it I'd use tren acetate at 75-100mg/eod for the first 6 weeks, dosage is lower, and if sides appear they can be gone more quickly as the drug is faster-acting with the acetate ester. Overall nice cycle though.