Test Suspension vs Test Cyp/Enan

[Pacesetter]

I was reading on another board that if u compared a test sus cycle with a test enan/cyp cycle (test only cycle here), the gains and sides would be much greater with the test sus. This was a competitive BB (weighs around 275) who told me.

I am aware that the different esters result in a much purer test with the suspension than with cyp or enan. I asked about that here on this board earlier.

If this is the case then, why don't people just use suspension? Is it the lack of availability or cost or too many sides or what?


Thanks

 

[go_hard_80]

its the fact of injecting 2-3 times a day, terrible bloat ,sides hard to control and it fucken hurts

go_hard_80

 

[serge]

its the fact of injecting 2-3 times a day, terrible bloat ,sides hard to control and it fucken hurts

go_hard_80

first of all TEST is TEST, all testosterones are created equal, only difference is the ester.

2-3 injections per day??? why? only need to shoot once per day, i use it all the time and its much easier to control since its so fast acting you can raise and lower your total blood concentration levels as you choose

terrible bloat? dont think so, take aromatise inhibitor and bloat goes bye bye, running a gram of suspension right now with femera, bloat free

sides are the easiest to control, since it lasts in your system for only a short period of time, so if sides are getting out of control you just shoot less then next day and you are all set, cant do that with esterfied test, esterfied test once it builds up in your system all you can do is give it time to clear and if you took to much you are fucked

 

[NFG123]

first of all TEST is TEST, all testosterones are created equal, only difference is the ester.

2-3 injections per day??? why? only need to shoot once per day, i use it all the time and its much easier to control since its so fast acting you can raise and lower your total blood concentration levels as you choose

terrible bloat? dont think so, take aromatise inhibitor and bloat goes bye bye, running a gram of suspension right now with femera, bloat free

sides are the easiest to control, since it lasts in your system for only a short period of time, so if sides are getting out of control you just shoot less then next day and you are all set, cant do that with esterfied test, esterfied test once it builds up in your system all you can do is give it time to clear and if you took to much you are fucked

I have to disagree here.

Injections must be done at lest 2x daily to keep even blood levels. Half life of suspension is 10-100 minutes. If you injected suspension on its half life like we suggest with enanthate at a MINIMUM youd be injecting every 2 hours for a total of 12 injections ED.

Gains in strength are better, so are gains in bloat. I think the bloat is larger bc such a large amt of test is being released at once and not as slowly (esp once per day) that 1 mg anastrozole simp;ly cannot handle. esters are released (esp longer ones) more slowly with more even blood level concentrations so sides will be easier to control. "critical mass" is achieved much faster withsuspension.

NFG

 

[go_hard_80]

I have to disagree here.

Injections must be done at lest 2x daily to keep even blood levels. Half life of suspension is 10-100 minutes. If you injected suspension on its half life like we suggest with enanthate at a MINIMUM youd be injecting every 2 hours for a total of 12 injections ED.

Gains in strength are better, so are gains in bloat. I think the bloat is larger bc such a large amt of test is being released at once and not as slowly (esp once per day) that 1 mg anastrozole simp;ly cannot handle. esters are released (esp longer ones) more slowly with more even blood level concentrations so sides will be easier to control. "critical mass" is achieved much faster withsuspension.

NFG

thank you i knew i was right

to get semi stable blood concentrations you would need like 6 shots a day with 2 of those in the middle of the night!!!

go_hard_80

 

[serge]

I have to disagree here.

Injections must be done at lest 2x daily to keep even blood levels. Half life of suspension is 10-100 minutes. If you injected suspension on its half life like we suggest with enanthate at a MINIMUM youd be injecting every 2 hours for a total of 12 injections ED.

Gains in strength are better, so are gains in bloat. I think the bloat is larger bc such a large amt of test is being released at once and not as slowly (esp once per day) that 1 mg anastrozole simp;ly cannot handle. esters are released (esp longer ones) more slowly with more even blood level concentrations so sides will be easier to control. "critical mass" is achieved much faster withsuspension.

NFG

"Half life of suspension is 10-100 minutes."

would you care to through in some refferences??? cant do it can you? 10-100min? you know you should not beleave everything you read on testosterone.net The least you can do is go ahead and sort of try running it, to at least have some experience with it before spreading such bullshit

IF THAT WAS THE HALF LIFE OF TEST SUSPENSION THEN YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO USE IN AS A BRIDGE ONCE IN THE MORNING JUST LIKE D-BOLL WITHOUT SHUTTING DOWN YOU HPTA, NO I DARE YOU TO TRY THAT

moreover, if that was the half life of suspension then it would not be nearly long enouph in your system (if shot only once per day) to produce any significant gains in muscle mass, once again all you have to do is run suspension only cycle, shooting once a day and see how much muscle you end up gaining

 

[argent]

I also believe that oil based suspension has a longer half-life than the water-based. And it should be easier to control b/c of the shorter life.

 

[NFG123]

"Half life of suspension is 10-100 minutes."

would you care to through in some refferences??? cant do it can you? 10-100min? you know you should not beleave everything you read on testosterone.net The least you can do is go ahead and sort of try running it, to at least have some experience with it before spreading such bullshit

IF THAT WAS THE HALF LIFE OF TEST SUSPENSION THEN YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO USE IN AS A BRIDGE ONCE IN THE MORNING JUST LIKE D-BOLL WITHOUT SHUTTING DOWN YOU HPTA, NO I DARE YOU TO TRY THAT

moreover, if that was the half life of suspension then it would not be nearly long enouph in your system (if shot only once per day) to produce any significant gains in muscle mass, once again all you have to do is run suspension only cycle, shooting once a day and see how much muscle you end up gaining

Ok serge, I like you, but you are now spewing forth worthless statements at an alarming rate. The suspension half life was said to be this by Bill roberts .. i take it he had references and believe he did, though bc of your flame on something you know not of what you speak, i wont find em. So, your logic is if that was true, then it could be used as a bridge ... hmm, lets wake up here. The only things that can be used as a bridge are things that normally either a) dont bind well to the AR (once again I can get refs they have em on t-mag.com ... but dont wanna cause of your crap) b) do bind well, but for one reason have a low inhibition probably bc they are inefficient in mediating some other pathway that contributes to downregulation of GnRH ... or LH ... at hypothalamus or pituitary. Primobolan fits this bill, var does and dbol in the morning (doesnt bind the AR well at all) all fit this bill. Notice the trend of the AR binders ... WEAK ANABOLICS.

So we all know any amount of testosterone is inhibitory ... doesnt matter when it is taken. The amount released through suspension is so great that it causes a very quick inhibitory response ... it releases much more than an estrified test per unit time.

So lets analyze your second crappy statement. It wouldnt be in your system long enough to produce gains? Oh no?

Most people stack suspension with other drugs, which may easily provide a "base" of anabolics so test suspension would result in immediate and dramatic increases of protein synthesis, and other drugs would continue this trend and not let it entirely taper off.

Lets say you were using it alone though ... so if we have 100 mg after hour one, we have 50 after hour 1.5, 25 after 3, 12.5 released after 4.5, 6.25 after 6 and 3.125 after 7.5, 1.5075 after 9 and so forth ..

Now if we analyze this (90 minute half life) compared to ED injections of tren, we see that tren (zyg showed this) released < 3 mg at its HIGHEST released for the first hour immediately after the injection .... IMMEDIATELY AFTE THE injection ... and test suspension is STILL leading to a higher blood concentration of androgens 6-7.5 hours AFTER injection versus IMMEDIATELY after a fast acting tren acetate injection.

So it DOES provide enough of a base for gains.

Serge, you are a good poster, but think before you open your mouth next time.

NFG

 

[georgie24]

If you injected suspension on its half life like we suggest with enanthate at a MINIMUM youd be injecting every 2 hours for a total of 12 injections ED.




NFG

WOW THATS ALOT OF INJECTIONS!! THATS ALOT OF GEAR TOO!

 

[NFG123]

lol i know.

blood concentrations wont be EVEN but they will be reasonably HIGH for most of the day on ED injections or 2x ED injections of suspension

NFG