let me tell you guys something. i was actually talkin to my friends dad the other day, and when i told him i was gonna do a test fina cycle he was like, "ahhhhh ur gonna need a lot more than that." why does everyone think that you need to stack so many chemicals to get results. now i understand that stacking is a great thing for many bodybuilders but i think that especially on this site people have to be more responisble about what they tell newbies to take. i know there have been numerous posts about this but people continue to do it. this site is designed as a place of research to help people IMO, and we shouldnt be telling these guys to take 3 different chemicals for their first cycle when they dont even know how their body is gonna react.