Test is Useless...if you want to look good

[macrophage69alpha]

DHT is only bad in the presence of high estrogen (at least for MPH)...

in men ESTROGEN is the enemy and the cause of MOST side effects.. take those aromatase inhibitors..

dht effects: use nizoral, take green tea (inhibits 5a reduction), take your zinc (estro and dht).. if you feel compelled a low dose of finasteride...

btw- cant one way or the other about saw palmetto.. evidence is conflicting but many do swear by it

 

[Slopain]

DHT is only bad in the presence of high estrogen (at least for MPH)...

in men ESTROGEN is the enemy and the cause of MOST side effects.. take those aromatase inhibitors..

dht effects: use nizoral, take green tea (inhibits 5a reduction), take your zinc (estro and dht).. if you feel compelled a low dose of finasteride...

btw- cant one way or the other about saw palmetto.. evidence is conflicting but many do swear by it

Mac what info to you know about proscar inhibiting gains. Last two days I am hearing that DHT is "more anabolic than test" cant find any facts on it - what do you know or think?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

the best effect from DHT is CNS.. strength... as far as anabolism.. not in any systemic models.. in some isolated tissues (may increase bone mass more)(in animal studies this has been implied though to extrapolate is VERY UNWISE, especially since this activity may be non-ar mediated).

so on the whole.. the answer is NO.. dht is not more anabolic.


DHT is implicated in reducing aids related wasting (normal test levels and low dht found in those with significant wasting)

 

[Slopain]

Thanks mac, I hoped/thought it was bs. If you see any writings on it toss me a link or paiste - thanks.

 

[Shinobi]

PEOPLE WAKE UP proscar, like propecia, only works after 3 months and if it works cause some people dont get any results from it

 

[BigAndy69]

Thanks for clearing that up Macro.

BTW, this is an old article from www.anabolicextreme.com issue 20, rumors!:

I really don't know what to beleive anymore:


Question: I'm losing my hair and have asked the question
on several discussion boards as to whether finasteride
will inhibit my gains. I want to use finasteride to prevent a
chrome dome but don't want to hurt my gains either. What
are hearing on the street about this?

Answer: Finasteride is a fantastic drug for saving your
hair. I fully recommend it for this purpose!

I must warn you though that I'm hearing that it destroys
nearly all of the potency of testosterone. I know a couple
of guys taking nearly a gram of this potent steroid and
making greatly diminished gains while using finasteride.

I first though that this was due to bogus testosterone but
several reports like this came into me which made me
think something was up. The first thing I did was check the
research on the anabolic/androgenic potencies of
testosterone and DHT.

I found something extraordinary!

All of the literature showed DHT to be 2-3 times MORE
anabolic than testosterone but with the SAME androgenic
potency. Believe it or not, DHT is a better, safer and more
effective steroid than testosterone!

How is this possible? What about all the bad stuff on
DHT? It seems that most of testosterone's actions are
enacted by its conversion into DHT—both good and bad!
Why does testosterone cause muscle growth? DHT! Why
does testosterone promote hair loss? DHT! Unfortunately,
testosterone converts to DHT in "androgenic" tissues
(prostate, hair, skin) at higher rates than in other parts of
the body. This makes testosterone have a very low
anabolic/androgenic ratio. On the other hand, DHT added
directly to the body cts uniformly in nearly all tissues and
thus has a better ratio. There is not preferential action or
conversion in "androgenic" tissues. When injected,
testosterone is less potent than DHT because not all of it
is converted into DHT. Per injected milligram, you will
get much higher concentrations of DHT in your blood with
injectible DHT rather than injectible testosterone. And
remember, DHT is the active metabolite of testosterone!

Back to your question, finasteride will GREATLY
diminish any gains from testosterone. Not all but most
(because finasteride prevents only about 70% of the
conversion into DHT). I know one person who used a
complete inhibitor of DHT production and with 800mg of
testosterone per week saw basically nothing. With
testosterone, you can either have your hair or have your
muscle but you can't have it both ways.

 

[ENC]

polysorbate 80

Hey guys try a shampoo that contains polysorbate 80. It has been proven to block DHT.. Do some reasearch on it!

 

[Hugh Gellatts]

"the best effect from DHT is CNS.. strength..."


yes, that is exactly what I experience with proscar. I ran a gram of test with it and got no increase in training aggression (did get bigger though). Later I ran just 350mg without proscar and got great strength gains.

 

[FlexManning]

You Canadian dudes are lucky because you can get 2 percent Nizoral without a script.
All we can get is 1 percent and it is total bullshit. I say that because it is absolutely
f*cking ridiculous to assume that the American public is to stupid to deal with the
"awesome" responsibility of having extra strong dandruff shampoo available at Wal-Mart.

I have used both shampoos, I happened to get some prescription Nizoral when my
daughter had some left over from when she had an irritated scalp. (She only needed
a few drops every few days and that left most of the bottle.)

I can't say that I've experienced any noticeable hair regrowth, but its good stuff
anyway. It smells great, gets all the flakes out of your hair, and if your scalp is ever
itchy it makes your head feel great.

As far as the DHT and anabolism, like the guy who was pointing out how Masteron
isn't great for muscle growth, I feel that it may be a little overrated. The reason I say
that is that I have heard that the "3 times more anabolic than testosterone"
statement actually concerned the prostate. However, I believe it may have been Greg
Zulak who wrote that so who knows.

I also agree with the statement that it isn't actually DHT that causes hairloss. I have
heard that there is a very lengthy scientific explanation for the process and saying
that DHT causes hairloss is actually just an oversimplification.

 

[Silent Method]

Finasteride and DHT: Effects on muscle development

Everyone following this thread please see my post "Finasteride and DHT: Effects on muscle development." The only "muscle building" effects of DHT in humans I can find is related to smooth vascular muscle cells - not skeletal muscle. I'd like all the input I can get so I can finalize my plan for my next cycle...

I'll try to post the link... http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=115632]Finasteride and DHT: Effects on muscle development