Test E- PCT, help please

[JovanLS400]

Hi guys, I'm planning on running a 500/mg cycle of Test E. for 8 weeks. I was thinking of taking 250IU of HCG every 4 days (preventative) through the course of my cycle...Any suggestions on how long I should take the HCG post-cycle? and at what dosage? Also, when should I start taking Nolva (during or after cycle)? I'm just trying to figure out a viable PCT before I actually purchase my gear. Any info would be greatly appreciated...thanks!

 

[surferstar]

Hi guys, I'm planning on running a 500/mg cycle of Test E. for 8 weeks. I was thinking of taking 250IU of HCG every 4 days (preventative) through the course of my cycle...Any suggestions on how long I should take the HCG post-cycle? and at what dosage? Also, when should I start taking Nolva (during or after cycle)? I'm just trying to figure out a viable PCT before I actually purchase my gear. Any info would be greatly appreciated...thanks!

I'm about to run the same cycle 500mg test 10WK

PCT post cycle therapy (after cycle)
since your only taking test you shouldn't need the HCG
Im taking Nolva and clomid
nolva 20mg ED

clomid like this wait 2 wk after last injection
36 pills. 300mg day 1, 100mg next 10, 50mg final 10.

Definately have your PCT's on hand before you start your cycle just in case GYNO pops up (bitch tits)
Hopefully that will help.

Correct me if I'm wrong guys

 

[jafo]

I'm about to run the same cycle 500mg test 10WK

PCT post cycle therapy (after cycle)
since your only taking test you shouldn't need the HCG
Im taking Nolva and clomid
nolva 20mg ED

clomid like this wait 2 wk after last injection
36 pills. 300mg day 1, 100mg next 10, 50mg final 10.

Definately have your PCT's on hand before you start your cycle just in case GYNO pops up (bitch tits)
Hopefully that will help.

Correct me if I'm wrong guys

this is close to a cycle was thinking about doing

500 mg test E..2 x 250 a week for 10 weeks ..
T-bol week 1-4


I was thinking only doing nolva
60mg ed for 1 week then 40mg ed for 4 weeks

I dont realy want to take clomid ..I was wondering about the HCG
and this post states its not needed

anybody else have any input on this ..of the ones stated which one is better or should /should not be done

 

[surferstar]

I was thinking only doing nolva
60mg ed for 1 week then 40mg ed for 4 weeks

I dont realy want to take clomid ..I was wondering about the HCG
and this post states its not needed

anybody else have any input on this ..of the ones stated which one is better or should /should not be done[/QUOTE]

Here's the problem you have to take something to bring your natural testosterone levels back and you need to run an anti-E if your using test.
So you will need
adex throughout the cycle .5mg ED
Nolva for 3 wks start 2 weeks after last inject
clomid for 3 wks after last inject
alternative for clomid would be HCG which is alot more expensive and more pokes.

 

[exidous]

I was thinking only doing nolva
60mg ed for 1 week then 40mg ed for 4 weeks

I dont realy want to take clomid ..I was wondering about the HCG
and this post states its not needed

anybody else have any input on this ..of the ones stated which one is better or should /should not be done

Here's the problem you have to take something to bring your natural testosterone levels back and you need to run an anti-E if your using test.
So you will need
adex throughout the cycle .5mg ED
Nolva for 3 wks start 2 weeks after last inject
clomid for 3 wks after last inject
alternative for clomid would be HCG which is alot more expensive and more pokes.[/QUOTE]

HCG is necessary regarless. why does eveyone think that testosterone wont shut you down? HPTA is shut down after the first week. HCG is essential for post recovery to get your testicles back to size quickly. LH recovery is very fast once your testicles are back to normal size. i would cut out the clomid, and use the standard protocol 1000ui m/w/f for three weeks with 20mg nolva continue the nolva for an additional 3 weeks after hcg. HCG is very cheap and very easy to get, would be a mistake not to use it.

 

[surferstar]

HCG is necessary regarless. why does eveyone think that testosterone wont shut you down? HPTA is shut down after the first week. HCG is essential for post recovery to get your testicles back to size quickly. LH recovery is very fast once your testicles are back to normal size. i would cut out the clomid, and use the standard protocol 1000ui m/w/f for three weeks with 20mg nolva continue the nolva for an additional 3 weeks after hcg. HCG is very cheap and very easy to get, would be a mistake not to use it.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely testosterone will shut you down. Thats why clomid is in PCT. HCG is superior to clomid i agree with as well. However if test is only run @ 500mg a wk for 8-10 weeks. It shouldn't shrivel them up. clomid is all you really need. Many guys would recomend clomid/nolva only. However if you want to be super safe then absolutely run the HCG. If you start throwing in more compounds or running the cycle longer than 10wks then i would suggest HCG. No ones wrong here, everyone will have their own opinions. You do what works best for you.

 

[sandbar150]

HCG is necessary regarless. why does eveyone think that testosterone wont shut you down? HPTA is shut down after the first week. HCG is essential for post recovery to get your testicles back to size quickly. LH recovery is very fast once your testicles are back to normal size. i would cut out the clomid, and use the standard protocol 1000ui m/w/f for three weeks with 20mg nolva continue the nolva for an additional 3 weeks after hcg. HCG is very cheap and very easy to get, would be a mistake not to use it.

Absolutely testosterone will shut you down. Thats why clomid is in PCT. HCG is superior to clomid i agree with as well. However if test is only run @ 500mg a wk for 8-10 weeks. It shouldn't shrivel them up. clomid is all you really need. Many guys would recomend clomid/nolva only. However if you want to be super safe then absolutely run the HCG. If you start throwing in more compounds or running the cycle longer than 10wks then i would suggest HCG. No ones wrong here, everyone will have their own opinions. You do what works best for you.[/QUOTE]

On that note. Im into my 2nd week Test e 250mg only. 1cc per week. Balls have shrunk up a bit. Pct lined up only with Nolva. I've read both dont need anything else (ie hcg) but since they've shrunk I've thought about getting some anyway to compliment the Nolva anyway? ANy help ? thanks

 

[surferstar]

On that note. Im into my 2nd week Test e 250mg only. 1cc per week. Balls have shrunk up a bit. Pct lined up only with Nolva. I've read both dont need anything else (ie hcg) but since they've shrunk I've thought about getting some anyway to compliment the Nolva anyway? ANy help ? thanks[/QUOTE]


So then you just told me you have nothing to bring your test levels back. Not Good. Wait two weeks after last injection and you MUST start atleast Clomid and Nolva. Some peoples nuts shrink some don't. Your still shutting them down. So you have to have clomid or hcg to bring back up, clomid is cheaper and easier.

 

[sandbar150]

On that note. Im into my 2nd week Test e 250mg only. 1cc per week. Balls have shrunk up a bit. Pct lined up only with Nolva. I've read both dont need anything else (ie hcg) but since they've shrunk I've thought about getting some anyway to compliment the Nolva anyway? ANy help ? thanks

So then you just told me you have nothing to bring your test levels back. Not Good. Wait two weeks after last injection and you MUST start atleast Clomid and Nolva. Some peoples nuts shrink some don't. Your still shutting them down. So you have to have clomid or hcg to bring back up, clomid is cheaper and easier.[/QUOTE]


thanks for your help.

 

[powderguy]

I have 'heard' that all one really needs for PCT is nolva/clomid.... It is all 'they' use no matter what 'they' run while on. Personally, I don't use AAS, but if I did, I would go with nolva and clomid only due to the fact that my doctor has said I am not very succeptable to side effects of aas use.

HCG has not been used by bbers for very long, and while it is not a bad thing, it is not the 'magic' fix all....

Here is what I 'would' do IF I used AAS:

Test E 750mg EW in EOD injects 16weeks
Tren Acetate 100mg EOD weeks 7-16
Nandrolone Decanoate 400mg EW (once week inject) 1-15
Oxymetholone (anadrol) 50 ED weeks 1-3 100mg ED weeks 4-6

Weeks 6-15 Nolva 10mg ED
weeks 16-18 Nolva 30mg ED
weeks 19 and 20 Nolva 20mg ED

Week 16 Clomid 50mg ED
week 17 Clomid 100mg ED
week 18 Clomid 200mg ED
week 19 Clomid 50mg ED

Like I said, IF I used AAS, this is what I would do.......

I 'suspect' that with a plan like this, one would keep about 85-90% of gains EVERY TIME And be back to 'normal' withing about 3 weeks from last shot.

 

[exidous]

I 'suspect' that with a plan like this, one would keep about 85-90% of gains EVERY TIME And be back to 'normal' withing about 3 weeks from last shot.

That is your opinion and while i respect that, i totally disagree with your pct plan and cycle. I have used AAS and i think i have just that much more experience than you.

 

[surferstar]

So then you just told me you have nothing to bring your test levels back. Not Good. Wait two weeks after last injection and you MUST start atleast Clomid and Nolva. Some peoples nuts shrink some don't. Your still shutting them down. So you have to have clomid or hcg to bring back up, clomid is cheaper and easier.

thanks for your help.[/QUOTE]


Both those posts you highlighted were copied posts, i just wrote what was underneath them, it just didn't show their sig and highlight lol.

 

[USHP]

I have 'heard' that all one really needs for PCT is nolva/clomid.... It is all 'they' use no matter what 'they' run while on. Personally, I don't use AAS, but if I did, I would go with nolva and clomid only due to the fact that my doctor has said I am not very succeptable to side effects of aas use.

HCG has not been used by bbers for very long, and while it is not a bad thing, it is not the 'magic' fix all....

Here is what I 'would' do IF I used AAS:

Test E 750mg EW in EOD injects 16weeks
Tren Acetate 100mg EOD weeks 7-16
Nandrolone Decanoate 400mg EW (once week inject) 1-15
Oxymetholone (anadrol) 50 ED weeks 1-3 100mg ED weeks 4-6

Weeks 6-15 Nolva 10mg ED
weeks 16-18 Nolva 30mg ED
weeks 19 and 20 Nolva 20mg ED

Week 16 Clomid 50mg ED
week 17 Clomid 100mg ED
week 18 Clomid 200mg ED
week 19 Clomid 50mg ED

Like I said, IF I used AAS, this is what I would do.......

I 'suspect' that with a plan like this, one would keep about 85-90% of gains EVERY TIME And be back to 'normal' withing about 3 weeks from last shot.
27-Feb-2006 09:01 AM

HCG does 2 things, 1) it reverses testicular atrophy 2) stimulates natural testosterone production. If you want to understand how you'll have to read the profile. "With an AAS cycle of 6 to 10 weeks HCG may not be necessary unless extreme doses of AAS were used or there is an existing problem of testicular atrophy or you are running a heavy oral only cycle. AAS cycles of 12 or more weeks should have HCG as a part of post cycle plan." That's a quote from Anthony Roberts' profile on hcg. Now I don't necessarily agree with it 100% because a person could experience atrophy on a 10 wk moderate dose cycle. Everyone is different. But, I totally disagree with you in your general statement about hcg.

If a user can tell he's atrophied significantly that would indicate he look into hcg to reverse the atrophy. I have seen nothing that indicates to me that nolva or clomid reverse testicular atrophy. So, those 2 alone with the presence of atrophy would lead me to believe the pct may fail.

I respectfully disagree with your reccomended pct for your proposed cycle. The cycle you have presented here would most definetely indicate using hcg to recover. As it is suppressive enough for a number of reasons.

The HPTA is totally shutdown within less than 2 wks of the first dose of a very mild amount of test and stays that way until a successful pct is done. Without the signal to produce natural test because of the presence of the injected test the testicles at some point will atrophy. When it happens is an individual thing. It is up to the user to determine if he thinks he is going to experience atrophy. If he even remotely believes he will he should have a plan and it probably should include hcg IMO. But, the user should understand as much as possible about hcg because overuse has serious risks.

 

[dline]

Bump for more experience comments on this thread. No disrespect to you 'Exidous' i totally agree with where you are coming from. i'm just looking for more experience in the thread.

 

[D-Shots]

Running the same cycle - 500 EW (250mg X2) for 10 weeks. Two weeks after the last inject gonna run 40mg Nolva everyday for two weeks then taper down to 20mg ED until I feel froggy again.

 

[Mac173]

I was thinking only doing nolva
60mg ed for 1 week then 40mg ed for 4 weeks

I dont realy want to take clomid ..I was wondering about the HCG
and this post states its not needed

anybody else have any input on this ..of the ones stated which one is better or should /should not be done

Here's the problem you have to take something to bring your natural testosterone levels back and you need to run an anti-E if your using test.
So you will need
adex throughout the cycle .5mg ED
Nolva for 3 wks start 2 weeks after last inject
clomid for 3 wks after last inject
alternative for clomid would be HCG which is alot more expensive and more pokes.[/QUOTE]

HCG and clomid are not substituted for each other, they serve differant functions.

 

[Mac173]

I'm not sure how that happened but I was not trying to copy ya suferstar.

 

[KD1]

Personally, I don't use AAS, but if I did, I would go with nolva and clomid only due to the fact that my doctor has said I am not very succeptable to side effects of aas use.

How the fuck would your doctor know something like that? He has no fucking clue, get a new doc.