Test E + Dbol first cycle

[Fad3d]

Hi,

I'm ready to order in upcoming days my stuff, here's what my cycle looks like. First my stats:

23 years
185.cm (6.0ft~)
94kg (207lbs~)
13/14%~ (fat)
2 years serious training

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1-10 Test E 500mg EW (2x250)
1-4 Dbol @ 30mg ED. Will be taking 10mgs spread in day
1-11~ Aromasin 12.5 ED. Will up or down this if neccessary. And quit right before pct or go upto week 16. Not decided.
12-16 Clomid 100/100/50/50

Maybe I will will nolva with clomid on 20/20/20/20 for PCT. and some liversupport.

*Some say nolva is better, others clomid others stack both. But I think i have to go and experience which works better for me with trail and error.

*Some maybe here will say no oral on first cylce and 'test only' but its hard to resist when you see the cycles and the pics / logs of people all over the web (i.e they look (far) worse then you)

*Some say add HCG others say its not mandantory. So instead i will play with my AI.

Thats't it..

 

[goin on 4T]

This is your first cycle ever?
Or your first cycle with dbol?

 

[lithium1189]

Most people here will tell you no nolva. Clomid is optional.

Clomid 25/25/25/25
Unleashed/ post cycle combo
Forma stanzol
D-aspartic acid

 

[Fad3d]

This is your first cycle ever?
Or your first cycle with dbol?

First cycle ever.

 

[joeblow12345]

That pct is gonna have you all jacked up. Go with the pct lithium posted. I'd Also add hcgenerate on cycle and blast hcg before pct.


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[goin on 4T]

I would not run two steroids in a first cycle. The first cycle is to see how you body reacts to the base steroid - testosterone which will be part of almost every cycle as you will need it when your body shits down. Without a proper evaluation process you are risking a lot.
Have you run bloods yet?
That is the only to know what your true normal is, we'll other than a wild ass guess.


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[Fad3d]

I would not run two steroids in a first cycle. The first cycle is to see how you body reacts to the base steroid - testosterone which will be part of almost every cycle as you will need it when your body shits down. Without a proper evaluation process you are risking a lot.
Have you run bloods yet?
That is the only to know what your true normal is, we'll other than a wild ass guess.


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For example if I get problems with this cycle in week 2. Let say back acne. Isn't it obvious that the dianabol is causing it. Because it takes time for test e to kick in..? And if things get out of hand, the dianabol can be dropped (waste of money but whocares)

 

[goin on 4T]

No more like if you get hypertension. You can't breath, your blood presure goes way up, your bloated within the first 12 days.

 

[goin on 4T]

For example if I get problems with this cycle in week 2. Let say back acne. Isn't it obvious that the dianabol is causing it. Because it takes time for test e to kick in..? And if things get out of hand, the dianabol can be dropped (waste of money but whocares)

See you think half life has something thing to do with sides. Test will be in your system and active alot sooner than you think. You just wont see the results for 3 weeks. Once you start taking stronger AAS like tren you will really feel the wave and understand what I am talking about.
Do it your way, that is fine. It really has no effect on me what so ever. Its just the smarter way to do it.
Acne is minimal compared the changes your body is going to be going through internally. Do you know what dbol does to your lipids? Your endocrine system? Your blood, your white and red blood cell counts?
You can really fuck yourself up.
But hey do it your way. Good luck to you.

 

[bonacris]

See you think half life has something thing to do with sides. Test will be in your system and active alot sooner than you think. You just wont see the results for 3 weeks. Once you start taking stronger AAS like tren you will really feel the wave and understand what I am talking about.
Do it your way, that is fine. It really has no effect on me what so ever. Its just the smarter way to do it.
Acne is minimal compared the changes your body is going to be going through internally. Do you know what dbol does to your lipids? Your endocrine system? Your blood, your white and red blood cell counts?
You can really fuck yourself up.
But hey do it your way. Good luck to you.

People just assume that side effect is a visible thing ie acne and gyno.. never mind what it does to peoples hormone levels, blood compostion and the psychological effects.. basically people thonk if you can't see it then it doesn't exist and I fucking hate that.. you can only tell people about this stuff, it doesn't mean they will listen

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[Fad3d]

People just assume that side effect is a visible thing ie acne and gyno.. never mind what it does to peoples hormone levels, blood compostion and the psychological effects.. basically people thonk if you can't see it then it doesn't exist and I fucking hate that.. you can only tell people about this stuff, it doesn't mean they will listen

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So basically never ever touch Dbol and 30mg/s sounds like an abuse with proper bloodwork done @ healty person.
Cause if I understand correct the same $hit will happen anyway in the second and third cycle, no? If not the only thing was needed to say is no orals, thats it. Why all the scary stuff?

The funny thing is that if you hop to another forum they will say you get pregnant and the next one will say go on! Same thing goes for the DAA for PCT posted you will find all people over the web that say DAA is a waste. So smart thing to do is , spam your cycle at many forums and get opinions (no wonder why you see so many threads about 'my first cycle'. But hey, in the end the decision is mine.

 

[bonacris]

So basically never ever touch Dbol and 30mg/s sounds like an abuse with proper bloodwork done @ healty person.
Cause if I understand correct the same $hit will happen anyway in the second and third cycle, no? If not the only thing was needed to say is no orals, thats it. Why all the scary stuff?

The funny thing is that if you hop to another forum they will say you get pregnant and the next one will say go on! Same thing goes for the DAA for PCT posted you will find all people over the web that say DAA is a waste. So smart thing to do is , spam your cycle at many forums and get opinions (no wonder why you see so many threads about 'my first cycle'. But hey, in the end the decision is mine.

I never said not to touch dbol I was merely saying that most people assume that side effect is a visible thing and don't take into account what's going on inside the body.. I'm on week 3 of a dbol test e cycle and I love it but this isn't my 1st cycle either.. I have no problem with you wanting to run dbol and test e as a 1st cycle.. the less compounds the better as a 1st cycle but this is a very common 1st cycle..


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[dylangemelli]

bro, your going to get differing opinions everywhere you go... here's the facts...

you can run an oral on your first cycle with test just fine... you just need to understand thoroughly the effects of everything your running... since your running test e, its wise to run a kickstart to the cycle as you wait for the ester to really start to show... it will be working but a lot less noticeable until about week 5... the problem with dbol is that it aromatizes terrible which causes the bloating... you can retain gains from dbol and you will feel great on it as your workout but chances are, even with an ai, you will bloat up... obviously some worse than others... you definitely need to be running an ai with it, and i would recommend aromasin as opposed to arimidex... i think there are far better options than dbol but everyone has different goals and that's something everyone has to keep in mind when giving advice...

as far as pct goes... i don't have a problem with a low dose of clomid but to say the other things are garbage is bull shit... bloodwork shows the facts and it shows how well the work... also, the way you feel shows a lot... you will feel excellent in pct as opposed to feeling depressed and shitty with a nolva/clomid combo... you can try and do whatever you want and sometimes its good to learn that way but there are negative situations that could be prevented here... nolva is an extremely outdated recovery method... clomid is as well but personally and many others i know have used it PROPERLY and been fine... its when you start dosing it out of control and having it be the main part of your pct that it becomes an issue... here's a nice pct... you do what you will but i have offered you the best advice i can give to you...

pct

Unleashed/post cycle combo IF OUT OF STOCK SUBSTITUTE WITH test INFUSION AND FORGED POST cycle AT MRSUPPS.COM
forma stanzol mrsupps.com
daa powerchews or powder

Keto burn MRSUPPS.COM

optional

clomid 25/25/25/25 AGguys.com

ostarine 25 mg day uniquemicals.com

 

[goin on 4T]

bro, your going to get differing opinions everywhere you go... here's the facts...

you can run an oral on your first cycle with test just fine... you just need to understand thoroughly the effects of everything your running... since your running test e, its wise to run a kickstart to the cycle as you wait for the ester to really start to show... it will be working but a lot less noticeable until about week 5... the problem with dbol is that it aromatizes terrible which causes the bloating... you can retain gains from dbol and you will feel great on it as your workout but chances are, even with an ai, you will bloat up... obviously some worse than others... you definitely need to be running an ai with it, and i would recommend aromasin as opposed to arimidex... i think there are far better options than dbol but everyone has different goals and that's something everyone has to keep in mind when giving advice...

as far as pct goes... i don't have a problem with a low dose of clomid but to say the other things are garbage is bull shit... bloodwork shows the facts and it shows how well the work... also, the way you feel shows a lot... you will feel excellent in pct as opposed to feeling depressed and shitty with a nolva/clomid combo... you can try and do whatever you want and sometimes its good to learn that way but there are negative situations that could be prevented here... nolva is an extremely outdated recovery method... clomid is as well but personally and many others i know have used it PROPERLY and been fine... its when you start dosing it out of control and having it be the main part of your pct that it becomes an issue... here's a nice pct... you do what you will but i have offered you the best advice i can give to you...

pct

Unleashed/post cycle combo IF OUT OF STOCK SUBSTITUTE WITH test INFUSION AND FORGED POST cycle AT MRSUPPS.COM
forma stanzol mrsupps.com
daa powerchews or powder

Keto burn MRSUPPS.COM

optional

clomid 25/25/25/25 AGguys.com

ostarine 25 mg day uniquemicals.com

Yes that is exactly what I meant.
Nice work dylan.