Test/Deca cycle insights

[Chez21]

Hi all, hope you can help...42 year old on second week of second cycle. 3 years ago I did a test/Deca cycle with great effects. I wanted the Deca to fix some broken parts and got the test-e to stay stable. I was moving a family of five across country, and fixing two homes during my first cycle so the energy was welcomed but my gym time suffered. Now that I’m settled, I want to try again with my typical vigorous workout/diet plan. I’m hoping for much better lasting results.

I’m 203 with 20% bf, My goal is to drop 10-20 lbs and maintain lean muscle. Just want to look shredded but stay healthy. I’m not looking for size or strength, really just an overall boost in gym and life. After my cycle I will get bloodwork and hopefully qualify for some TRT. I expect to be on TRT within next 5 years but hoping I could run a light test/Deca cycle once per year before that. My diet is (will be) very strict including juice detoxes and intermittent fasting, but high protein. And working out 6-7 days a week.

I’m taking:
test-e:500-400/300x12/500-400-300-200
Deca: /300x12/
Winny tabs: /30mg ED 4weeks
I have clomid for PCT 150/100/100/50 that I will start 2 weeks after my last test

My questions are:
1.) is that a good time to introduce Winny (after deca)?
2.)would anybody change the numbers around on anything? PCT?
3.) how long does it usually take to see BP spikes?

Been natural lifting for 25 years so this is a big leap and exciting but a little nerve wracking! just looking for your guys pro wisdom, thanks!




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[buddhabuilder]

You need to decrease bf before introducing AAS. You may want to consider a SARMS cutting stack...


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[Chez21]

Thx, I’m expecting my bf to drop over next 12 weeks, do you recommend SARMS cutting stack during my cycle?


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[buddhabuilder]

I recommend cutting before cycle. IMO, AAS should be used to break through natural plateaus. You have some work to do to set the stage for a successful cycle. I’ll leave it to the science minded Bros here to break down the risks of cycling with high bf...


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[Chez21]

I’m two weeks in so I’ll have to look into it next time. At my age I really need the test kick and deca to fix some broken pieces. I’m not looking to get on stage just gain an edge and look good on beach. Thanks for the reply


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[buddhabuilder]

I trust you have Aromasin on hand as an AI and Caber to control Prolactin...


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[dylangemelli]

deca is not going to "fix" any broken pieces... its a band aid to a wound... it doesnt provide you with real healing, it just masks it for the time being... body fat is definitely too high to be using steroids

 

[Chez21]

Thanks Dylan but don’t you think this stack will help me lose body fat? At my age I’ve lost an edge and it’s way harder to lose fat and build muscle


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[dylangemelli]

not really... steroids are not fat burners and you certainly shouldnt be depending on steroids to lose body fat brother.. i think you have it backwards on your expectations... if you were attempting this with steroids, which you should not, deca would not be the choice to go with either but thats neither here nor there... it also doesnt make sense, if you have injuries, to be using winstrol... i love winstrol but definitely not in that scenario...

 

[Chez21]

Yeah, I don’t think it’s fat burner I just think test was designed for this very reason to replace natural test after 40. To help older men regain some youth. My body is pretty beat up and I think the deca will help alleviate stress to joints as my workouts get more intense. I had very good results and no sides from first cycle and that was without my typical training. I’m confident I’ll see way better results this time. I’m not in love with the Winny but I was hoping for extra cut come summer time. Thanks for your input


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[dylangemelli]

test would be helpful if you have a low test condition... thats what its there for, not just to give you a boost because your 40 man.. come on... deca provides NO real healing so like i said, you can mask your injury for the time being, but when you discontinue use, you could be worse off than when you started... good luck man... im just repeating myself and its not really helping anything

 

[Chez21]

You didn’t repeat yourself, It was just a convo, thanks tho


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[sean501]

Sounds to me like you need to fix your problems in the kitchen before you even think about PEDs. You’ll be amazed at what a clean healthy diet can do for you.


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[Chez21]

Thx Sean no rookie to training/diet was just hoping for a little kick and some insight on numbers


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[buddhabuilder]

You respond to my question regarding Aromasin and Caber so I’m assuming...


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[buddhabuilder]

*didn’t


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[Chez21]

Buddha you didn’t answer my questions either...


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[stevesmi]

buddy listen to the guys and when you do run deca always use proviron with it, you can use the winny also since it is a DHT derviative but then switch to proviron

 

[Chez21]

Finally thanks Steve I plan to get some Proviron now still haven’t started the dec. do you think I should run Winny tabs while I’m taking Decca then switch to prov towards end of cycle?


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[Chez21]

And if so, do you think I should run 30mg daily for 30 days or can I lower dose to extend? Thanks


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[Chez21]

Sorry Steve about the finally. Was just happy to get an actual answer and I value your input thx again


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[sean501]

Sorry Steve about the finally. Was just happy to get an actual answer and I value your input thx again


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Dude, people are apprehensive about answering your questions because your situation doesn’t warrant steroid use.


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[Chez21]

Is that because my bf? Just curious, What is the proper bf% to get an answer on a cycle? Because it was just an estimate. I feel my situation warrants more then most, just looking for some tips. If anyone can benefit from low dose Test/deca stack I would think it’s a man over 40 with some joint pain looking for an edge to better his life.


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[sean501]

Steroid use at a higher BF% comes with a far greater risk. Get your diet and training dialled in for at least 6 months, this should get you closer to 15% (providing you’re actually 20%, most people massive underestimate).

Then get blood work done to see what your healthy baselines are. Planning to be on TRT in five years time is not how it works. TRT is for people with severely low testosterone who are symptomatic.


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[stevesmi]

Finally thanks Steve I plan to get some Proviron now still haven’t started the dec. do you think I should run Winny tabs while I’m taking Decca then switch to prov towards end of cycle?


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yes you always want a DHT in there with deca

and listen to what the guys are saying above.. if your bf% is too high what is the point of using steroids right now? get your bf down THEN use the steroids, you will be 100% more happy with your results

i can help you burn a lot of fat fast, just drop me a message for a consult

 

[Chez21]

Thanks for the info on DHT. Im adding 20mg Winny daily with deca. Then will follow with prov.

Ftr: I’m not hoping off the couch and running a cycle. I’ve been training steady and natural for 25 years. It’s become obvious at my age that the weight doesn’t come off and stay off as easy as before. Recently my wife was diagnosed with cancer so I’m waking at 4am to hit gym and staying up til 10pm to work 2 jobs and take care of her, house and kids. My reason for running a cycle is way more about having energy and drive in the gym and recovery then it is about physique. That is just my added bonus considering the years I put in under the iron. Three years ago I had bloodwork and my test was low that’s why I ran my first cycle and the results were just what I wanted. Now I feel my test is low again so wanted to run a cycle then get bloods when my test is very low and get test prescribed. Hopefully Leading to TRT down the road.

For what it’s worth, I’m on week three and I feel great! Way more energy and pumps in gym and already noticing some fat loss but prob from higher intensity workouts and better diet. Really appreciate the help guys!


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[stevesmi]

^^^ okay man do good

 

[Chez21]

Just an update if anyone still following. Just finished four weeks, same cycle as stated in beginning except added 20mg Winny ED. I feel great! Aches and pains seem to be diminishing and way more pumps and muscle endurance during workouts. Way more strength too which wasn’t really a goal but the results im seeing in the mirror and motivation has fueled my workouts. I’m still in a serious calorie deficit during the week but eating serious raw proteins on weekends, still low carb/sugar and no bread. Im noticing huge gains to muscle everywhere however still have a bit of dad gut. With relief from pain I’ve been able to add jogging sprinting and compound movements for cardio so I expect to drop some fat around the midsection from that moving forward. Depending how I feel and look after 12 weeks deca, I might add a few more weeks of higher Winny maybe 50mg Ed. but that will just be extra and by ear. All in all, perfect low dose cycle for my current situation. Hoping to do this similar cycle once per year until ready for TRT. Input still welcome...


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[stevesmi]

okay man, thanks for the update.. hopefully you learned a lot and can improve next go around

 

[Chez21]

Yes, def would like to start with lower bf next time so I don’t kill myself dieting during cycle just feel I needed a jump start at this point in my hectic life


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