Test + Dbol + Winstrol Short cycle

[goodgenetic]

Hello people.

I am planning a new cycle but have a couple of questions and problems.

I cant do long cycles, had an agreement with Girlfriend shes a bit worried/paranoid about long cycles and recovery so shes agreed to let me juice if i do a few short cycles. Im happy for this comprimise.

I want to grow as much as i can whilst leaning out as I can in 6 weeks

my last recent 4 week cycle after not cycling (im still in pct) for 5 years (dbol 60mg/day+ winny70mg/day) I grew and kept about 6 -8kg muscle and lost quite a bit of fat with minimal sides over 4 weeks. Im happy to do this and loose fat slowly.

height - 5'11
age - 29
weight - 122 kg
bodyfat - approx 20-25%
bench barbell smith - 236lb *3
lat pull down - 242lb *5
bicep bar bell curl + ezi curl - 119lb *3
military press smith barbell - 198lb *3
Deadlift - 286lb *6

These are some of my stats.

I train by myself for less distraction and to stay in pump. Hence smith machines as no spotter. I have a knee injury (snapped ligament) from years ago and train leg resistance on the bike light for 2 minutes hardest a level i can stand for 25-30 seconds and repeat 4 times. risky to do squats, leg extensions etc.

Past cycle experience was the last cycle and one with 750 mg week test e for 8 weeks cycling winstrol 4 on 4 off 4 on (about 4 years ago)

I was looking to do something like -

wk 1 - 1750mg test e + 50 dbol/day + 70mg winny/day (frontload) + adex 0.5eod
wk 2 - 800mg test e + 40 dbol/day + 70mg winny/day + adex 0.5eod
wk 3 - 800mg test e + 30 dbol/day + 70mg winny/day + adex 0.5eod
wk 4 - 800mg test e + 30 dbol/day + 70mg winny/day + adex 0.5eod
wk 5 - 800mg test e + 30 dbol/day + 70mg winny/day + adex 0.5eod
wk 6 - test e still left in system + 10 dbol/day + adex 0.5eod
wk7 - pct
wk8 - pct
wk9 - pct
wk10 - pct

Would have nolva on hand also and in pct but I havnt completely decided on pct.

Will probably do a half dbol bridge + zma + Tribulu as it worked so good for me last cycle with nolva for Adex estro rebound only.

Ive set it up with the adex to stop estro fat deposits, bloat and estro sides as much.

My diet will be something like I had last cycle with more protein as of the high test - low fat, about 100-120 gm carb per day, 400+protein gram. Spread out through as many times a day as possible. this works wonders for me. calories will be incresed bit by bit to promote continual growth.

Plenty rest, traing hard as hell and smart.

Question is cause its a short cycle I want as much gain as possible as I can in a short time and am wondering how high I should go on the test.

Being as Its only 5 weeks of injections do you guys thing I could run 1g test for more gains?

Would it be worth it in your experiences and would a short course of 5 weeks at 1g+ build up a lot more sides quicker than say 800mg as i have planned? Last time I did 750mg week for 8 weeks I only really started noticing bad estro mood sides around week 5 with no adex.

Would the agression be a lot more at 1g/week than 800? I am generally a calm person too.
If higher test is used calories will be increased.


I dont want to do a crazy dosed short cycle like some do but am happy to go up in dose if it would benefit me and not induce much worse sides - Aggression, estro moods, bloat.

keep in mid ill be running adex at 0.5 mg eod as well. Just I'm limited to short cycles.

will calorie cut/diet b4 cycle to prime and reduce training to 2 days /week lower intensity and hammer when on.

Your experienced advice will be appreciated.

Sorry for the long winded essay but it avoids you guys having to ask me as many questions and
show you where im coming from.

Cheers.

 

[joe d]

Hello people.

I am planning a new cycle but have a couple of questions and problems.

I cant do long cycles, had an agreement with Girlfriend shes a bit worried/paranoid about long cycles and recovery so shes agreed to let me juice if i do a few short cycles. Im happy for this comprimise.

I want to grow as much as i can whilst leaning out as I can in 6 weeks

my last recent 4 week cycle after not cycling (im still in pct) for 5 years (dbol 60mg/day+ winny70mg/day) I grew and kept about 6 -8kg muscle and lost quite a bit of fat with minimal sides over 4 weeks. Im happy to do this and loose fat slowly.

height - 5'11
age - 29
weight - 122 kg
bodyfat - approx 20-25%
bench barbell smith - 236lb *3
lat pull down - 242lb *5
bicep bar bell curl + ezi curl - 119lb *3
military press smith barbell - 198lb *3
Deadlift - 286lb *6

These are some of my stats.

I train by myself for less distraction and to stay in pump. Hence smith machines as no spotter. I have a knee injury (snapped ligament) from years ago and train leg resistance on the bike light for 2 minutes hardest a level i can stand for 25-30 seconds and repeat 4 times. risky to do squats, leg extensions etc.

Past cycle experience was the last cycle and one with 750 mg week test e for 8 weeks cycling winstrol 4 on 4 off 4 on (about 4 years ago)

I was looking to do something like -

wk 1 - 1750mg test e + 50 dbol/day + 70mg winny/day (frontload) + adex 0.5eod
wk 2 - 800mg test e + 40 dbol/day + 70mg winny/day + adex 0.5eod
wk 3 - 800mg test e + 30 dbol/day + 70mg winny/day + adex 0.5eod
wk 4 - 800mg test e + 30 dbol/day + 70mg winny/day + adex 0.5eod
wk 5 - 800mg test e + 30 dbol/day + 70mg winny/day + adex 0.5eod
wk 6 - test e still left in system + 10 dbol/day + adex 0.5eod
wk7 - pct
wk8 - pct
wk9 - pct
wk10 - pct

Would have nolva on hand also and in pct but I havnt completely decided on pct.

Will probably do a half dbol bridge + zma + Tribulu as it worked so good for me last cycle with nolva for Adex estro rebound only.

Ive set it up with the adex to stop estro fat deposits, bloat and estro sides as much.

My diet will be something like I had last cycle with more protein as of the high test - low fat, about 100-120 gm carb per day, 400+protein gram. Spread out through as many times a day as possible. this works wonders for me. calories will be incresed bit by bit to promote continual growth.

Plenty rest, traing hard as hell and smart.

Question is cause its a short cycle I want as much gain as possible as I can in a short time and am wondering how high I should go on the test.

Being as Its only 5 weeks of injections do you guys thing I could run 1g test for more gains?

Would it be worth it in your experiences and would a short course of 5 weeks at 1g+ build up a lot more sides quicker than say 800mg as i have planned? Last time I did 750mg week for 8 weeks I only really started noticing bad estro mood sides around week 5 with no adex.

Would the agression be a lot more at 1g/week than 800? I am generally a calm person too.
If higher test is used calories will be increased.


I dont want to do a crazy dosed short cycle like some do but am happy to go up in dose if it would benefit me and not induce much worse sides - Aggression, estro moods, bloat.

keep in mid ill be running adex at 0.5 mg eod as well. Just I'm limited to short cycles.

will calorie cut/diet b4 cycle to prime and reduce training to 2 days /week lower intensity and hammer when on.

Your experienced advice will be appreciated.

Sorry for the long winded essay but it avoids you guys having to ask me as many questions and
show you where im coming from.

Cheers.

the orals would be to liver toxic. dont start high then back down on the test right from the start. run the 6weeks at a steady dose then cut it in half for a week or 2 if you want a taper.

i would just run test and var for the whole 6 wks same dose of each the whole time.

 

[goodgenetic]

Actually my last cycle was dbol 60mg/day winstrol 70mg/day for 4 weeks and had no liver problem or symtoms at all (i take very good care though and supps) so the lesser orals in this cycle will be fine iim sure.

The high test week one is just for a frontload for the cycle to get test levels up ASAP as it is such a short cycle. I did a front load on my last 750 mg test e cycle and it worked very well.

Unfortunately I cant get a hold of var actually (but I wanted to last cycle) but then was really happy with the way winny worked. basically I will be dropping the dbol down over the first three weeks from 50mg/day to 30 mg/day this new cycle coming as I wont need as much dbol once the test takes full effect I believe.

 

[joe d]

i think your going to far but hopefully im wrong. good luck with it.

 

[EZ_E]

Hello people.

I am planning a new cycle but have a couple of questions and problems.

I cant do long cycles, had an agreement with Girlfriend shes a bit worried/paranoid about long cycles and recovery so shes agreed to let me juice if i do a few short cycles. Im happy for this comprimise.

I want to grow as much as i can whilst leaning out as I can in 6 weeks

my last recent 4 week cycle after not cycling (im still in pct) for 5 years (dbol 60mg/day+ winny70mg/day) I grew and kept about 6 -8kg muscle and lost quite a bit of fat with minimal sides over 4 weeks. Im happy to do this and loose fat slowly.

height - 5'11
age - 29
weight - 122 kg
bodyfat - approx 20-25%
bench barbell smith - 236lb *3
lat pull down - 242lb *5
bicep bar bell curl + ezi curl - 119lb *3
military press smith barbell - 198lb *3
Deadlift - 286lb *6

These are some of my stats.

I train by myself for less distraction and to stay in pump. Hence smith machines as no spotter. I have a knee injury (snapped ligament) from years ago and train leg resistance on the bike light for 2 minutes hardest a level i can stand for 25-30 seconds and repeat 4 times. risky to do squats, leg extensions etc.

Past cycle experience was the last cycle and one with 750 mg week test e for 8 weeks cycling winstrol 4 on 4 off 4 on (about 4 years ago)

I was looking to do something like -

wk 1 - 1750mg test e + 50 dbol/day + 70mg winny/day (frontload) + adex 0.5eod
wk 2 - 800mg test e + 40 dbol/day + 70mg winny/day + adex 0.5eod
wk 3 - 800mg test e + 30 dbol/day + 70mg winny/day + adex 0.5eod
wk 4 - 800mg test e + 30 dbol/day + 70mg winny/day + adex 0.5eod
wk 5 - 800mg test e + 30 dbol/day + 70mg winny/day + adex 0.5eod
wk 6 - test e still left in system + 10 dbol/day + adex 0.5eod
wk7 - pct
wk8 - pct
wk9 - pct
wk10 - pct

Would have nolva on hand also and in pct but I havnt completely decided on pct.

Will probably do a half dbol bridge + zma + Tribulu as it worked so good for me last cycle with nolva for Adex estro rebound only.

Ive set it up with the adex to stop estro fat deposits, bloat and estro sides as much.

My diet will be something like I had last cycle with more protein as of the high test - low fat, about 100-120 gm carb per day, 400+protein gram. Spread out through as many times a day as possible. this works wonders for me. calories will be incresed bit by bit to promote continual growth.

Plenty rest, traing hard as hell and smart.

Question is cause its a short cycle I want as much gain as possible as I can in a short time and am wondering how high I should go on the test.

Being as Its only 5 weeks of injections do you guys thing I could run 1g test for more gains?

Would it be worth it in your experiences and would a short course of 5 weeks at 1g+ build up a lot more sides quicker than say 800mg as i have planned? Last time I did 750mg week for 8 weeks I only really started noticing bad estro mood sides around week 5 with no adex.

Would the agression be a lot more at 1g/week than 800? I am generally a calm person too.
If higher test is used calories will be increased.


I dont want to do a crazy dosed short cycle like some do but am happy to go up in dose if it would benefit me and not induce much worse sides - Aggression, estro moods, bloat.

keep in mid ill be running adex at 0.5 mg eod as well. Just I'm limited to short cycles.

will calorie cut/diet b4 cycle to prime and reduce training to 2 days /week lower intensity and hammer when on.

Your experienced advice will be appreciated.

Sorry for the long winded essay but it avoids you guys having to ask me as many questions and
show you where im coming from.

Cheers.

Welcome

#1-GF has to go

#2 Weight and BF seem kind of high for a cycle

#3 Trying to get big and lean @ the same time doesn't work, unless you have SUPERIOR genetics, pick one or you'll just end up frustrated

#4 I would spend more time on the EF diet and training forums for now and save the juice for later

~EZ