Test cypionate OR sustanon

[tonesofhome7578]

Hi all. I'm a 30 y/o male 6 feet 205lbs and around 11% BF. I've done a couple cycles in the past but only with low to moderate androgen's. It's been a couple years since i've been on and i think its time. I'm thinking of a 12 week cycle with 300-mg/week of Deca and 400-500-mg/week of some kind of Test compound. I can get Enanthate or Cypionate for much cheaper than Sustanon but i've heard that better quality results can be had with Sust. I work as a RN and have gathered all the pharmaceutical info to compare but i can't find anything in my books on Sustanon (i guess due to it's limited medical purpose). I'm hoping that your experience can help me as i want to make some QUALITY gains on this cycle while minimizing the risk of side effects.

PS. Thanks in advance for all your help and i hope to be a contributing member in this awesome forum!!

 

[MR. BMJ]

Go with either Cyp or Enanthate, especially since they will be cheaper for ya. Take 1 shot every 3-4 days. You can mix your deca on the same days as well....in same syringe.

Run an aromatase inhibitor with your cycle.

Personally, I like to run my test a week or two past my deca. Therefore, for myself, i'd run the test for 13-14 weeks.

BMJ

 

[tonesofhome7578]

Thanks Man. Is Tamoxifen still the inhibitor of choice? I notice that Arimidex is becoming available as well. Do you continue the EI post cycle as well?

 

[Shinobi]

Thanks Man. Is Tamoxifen still the inhibitor of choice? I notice that Arimidex is becoming available as well. Do you continue the EI post cycle as well?

I prefer single esters although once in a while I use sustenon just to switch.
I like enanthate as much as I like cypionate.

 

[MR. BMJ]

Look for AIFM as your AI. It can be obtained at the AF site store legally. It's IMO, the best out there right now and is cheap as well. Tamoxifen is not an aromatase inhibitor but rather an anti-estrogen (in sort). AIFM blows Tamoxifen and Arimidex (which is an AI) out of the water, and is much more effective. Also, running Nolvadex with progestins such as nandrolones may not be preferred as it MAY increase chances of receiving gyno. Nolva increases expression of the progesterone receptors (PgR).

Yes, run the AI (AIFM) post cycle with your PCT. Run it past PCT as well if needed.

BMJ

 

[ALIN]

Hi all. I'm a 30 y/o male 6 feet 205lbs and around 11% BF. I've done a couple cycles in the past but only with low to moderate androgen's. It's been a couple years since i've been on and i think its time. I'm thinking of a 12 week cycle with 300-mg/week of Deca and 400-500-mg/week of some kind of Test compound. I can get Enanthate or Cypionate for much cheaper than Sustanon but i've heard that better quality results can be had with Sust. I work as a RN and have gathered all the pharmaceutical info to compare but i can't find anything in my books on Sustanon (i guess due to it's limited medical purpose). I'm hoping that your experience can help me as i want to make some QUALITY gains on this cycle while minimizing the risk of side effects.

PS. Thanks in advance for all your help and i hope to be a contributing member in this awesome forum!!

Unless you dont mind the frequent injections of EOD from SUST I would suggest T.ENAN OR T.CYP

 

[tonesofhome7578]

Look for AIFM as your AI. It can be obtained at the AF site store legally. It's IMO, the best out there right now and is cheap as well. Tamoxifen is not an aromatase inhibitor but rather an anti-estrogen (in sort). AIFM blows Tamoxifen and Arimidex (which is an AI) out of the water, and is much more effective. Also, running Nolvadex with progestins such as nandrolones may not be preferred as it MAY increase chances of receiving gyno. Nolva increases expression of the progesterone receptors (PgR).

Yes, run the AI (AIFM) post cycle with your PCT. Run it past PCT as well if needed.

BMJ

Thanks again all. I really appreciate all your help. In regards to this AIFM could I get the actual website to find it? Do I also need HCG/Clomid post cycle?

 

[MR. BMJ]

Yes, Hcg and clomid will be needed for PCT.

AIFM can be purchased at anabolicfitnes.net

BMJ

 

[justinjones1963]

I vote for AIFM.

 

[1Mistake2006]

as long as its legit..test is test!!!

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Thanks again all. I really appreciate all your help. In regards to this AIFM could I get the actual website to find it? Do I also need HCG/Clomid post cycle?

AFSTORE

link to AIFM
https://www.anabolicfitness.net/shop/product_info.php?id=152


at least clomid, use of an AI with a TEST only cycle often abrogates the need for HCG (though generally reccomend you have some on hand) since this minimizes suppression. E is the primary suppressor of the HPGA.

 

[tonesofhome7578]

Thanks all. I'm in CALI is AIFM available at supplement stores as well? I think i'll do 10 days of HCG and 2 weeks of Clomid post just to be safe. I found in the past with Deca i really slumped post cycle......i hate that feeling!! I work shift-work as well so i'm already susceptible to mood swings depending on sleep etc... I think as far as my cycle i'm going to do 300 mg Deca for 10 weeks and a Prop/Cypionate (200/50) 500mg for 12 weeks.

 

[medical]

I'm a fan of multi-ester products. I will admit that a good bit of my preference comes from my age and using sust very successfully 20 years ago. But I also just seem to "feel" sust better and therefore I like it. Of course sust today really doesn't compare to sust back in the day....I think most products are underdosed today and were often very over-dosed 20 years ago......especially Mex product. No one really tested them much back then but from my experience they were better than today. But I digress.....I prefer sust.

 

[tonesofhome7578]

I'm a fan of multi-ester products. I will admit that a good bit of my preference comes from my age and using sust very successfully 20 years ago. But I also just seem to "feel" sust better and therefore I like it. Of course sust today really doesn't compare to sust back in the day....I think most products are underdosed today and were often very over-dosed 20 years ago......especially Mex product. No one really tested them much back then but from my experience they were better than today. But I digress.....I prefer sust.

Do you think a Prop/Cyp mixture would do the trick?

 

[Twoguns]

Unless you dont mind the frequent injections of EOD from SUST I would suggest T.ENAN OR T.CYP

Ok, I was told to inject sus 2xweek, not eod. Plus, sus has cyp in it . . . why are you saying sus eod?

 

[bighippie11]

yeah sus has cyp in it but it's the prop and test undecoate(i believe) which are short esters that make it need to be injected eod. that's why i like single ester because you don't have the different levels of esters in your system, just one.

 

[Twoguns]

yeah sus has cyp in it but it's the prop and test undecoate(i believe) which are short esters that make it need to be injected eod. that's why i like single ester because you don't have the different levels of esters in your system, just one.

This goes against everything that I have read so far, I understand the long vs. slow acting esthers etc . . . but come on eod? That is a gram of test per week. I am sticking with 250mg on sun and 250 mg on Thurs, 2xweek.

 

[medical]

Do you think a Prop/Cyp mixture would do the trick?

No mid acting esters in there, you'd be better off with sust. Someone may chime in with a way to run a short/long test cycle....my opinion is you would be using the prop up front and the cyp long-term. Just depends on what of each you have I guess. Better minds than I can work you a cycle off that.

 

[medical]

yeah sus has cyp in it but it's the prop and test undecoate(i believe) which are short esters that make it need to be injected eod. that's why i like single ester because you don't have the different levels of esters in your system, just one.

Sust every 3rd day is fine......to be honest sust once a week is fine......just because an ester has a half-life of 24 hours doesn't mean you need another shot then! The other esters kick in in time to make up for it. You'll get some good advice here but you will also get some bs opinions like sust eod that have no basis in science.

 

[Kachunga]

Sust every 3rd day is fine......to be honest sust once a week is fine......just because an ester has a half-life of 24 hours doesn't mean you need another shot then! The other esters kick in in time to make up for it. You'll get some good advice here but you will also get some bs opinions like sust eod that have no basis in science.

Very True Mr. Medical.