Test Cycle or Non test Cycle?

[markimacm]

So in my past i am used to always including test into all my cycles and loved it. I never did a non test cycle before but a buddy of mine does only non test cycles and his results are great and also after coming off his natural tests seem to always be fine (according to him).

What he does is : TREN / EQ / DECA /and HGH (5 months on 7 months off)

I am used to doing (with good results) : PROP / TREN / MAST / ENANTHATE (not all together but all used at some point mixed up with what was mentioned) - 14-16 weeks on 16 weeks off.

Am I wrong or is he completely off track? He keep trying to get me to do a cycle like his with no test in it but I have never done a no test cycle and also scared to get deca d!ck.

 

[Reps For Jesus]

Well, you are going to get mixed opinions about this. I personally believe Test should be the base of all cycles, but I have heard a lot of people has success without using any it at all.

Now that said, Tren, EQ, and Deca for 5 months just seems like a horrible idea. You may not need Test for EQ, or with Tren.. but you need it with Deca. Now all those 3 together stacked together, not using Test has bad news written all over it. Maybe it works fine for him, but I'd bet it would be a disaster for the majority of people.

You can try it, and find what works best for you.. but I would at least of Test on hand in case everything backfires.

 

[markimacm]

so he used to be bulky and ever since he began doing his cycle with the TREN / EQ / DECA /and HGH (5 months on 7 months off) he leaned the hell out!! I am a bulky dude to begin with 220 pounds 6 ft and with juice i bulk out even more. What my goal would be is to lean out like him (cardio added to the mix no HGH for me). If I did a no test cycle would I see lean results and still have a crazy good sexual stamina like i would have using test? I look forward to my cycles I'm used to for the ultimate extra sexual drive..

 

[markimacm]

he claims using test overrides eating clean because it will bloat me up more ( i never tried it his way so I wouldn't know)...

 

[Reps For Jesus]

Well his logic is flawed, and is typical bro science mumbo jumbo. Getting lean really has nothing to do with what compounds you run.. it has to do with your diet and training. No compound overrides a good diet and good training regimen. The thought of that is just stupid.

I really have no idea if you would have problems, or if it will be great success for you. I personally would not do it.. that's just me.

 

[markimacm]

well let me ask this question then? What is a good non test cycle and also non test cycles can they be ran longer than a typical test based cycle?

 

[Reps For Jesus]

I don't know man.. I really don't believe non-test cycles are the best route to take. I don't want to recommend something to you that I don't know a whole lot about, or don't really believe is right.

Maybe someone else will chime in on this to help.

 

[rustilldown]

Wait for Stevesmi to chime in. This is his area of expertise

 

[EZ_E]

Agreed with Reps, IMO test should be the base of all cycles....also agreed with Reps that your boy is a little confused & putting too much emphasis on the juice & not enough on the diet/training....

 

[markimacm]

he diets very well and eats super clean yes i agree to that! but why does he continue with no test in his cycle and trynng to get me to go his way? this is why i came on a big board site to get advise and so far everyone is def opening my eyes up to realizing a no test cycle is not the norm or common. But all in all im still curious the differences and benefits or drawbacks etc.