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For size/strength cycle, Gh with Test and Glucophage is good. GH is good for cutting if used alone. Just talked to one of the pros at my gym and she stated that the pros are starting to use glucophage instead of Insulin because of the dangers of insulin. this movement confirms my theory. Glucophage allows for improved glucose and amino acid absorption by the muscle tissue and does it safely. This is what you want.
For maximum synergy, GH should be stacked with insulin, test and an oral. If anything, I would pre-load the test.
Ironmaster> What do you think about this Glucophage.
Some people have been posting doing the GH before Test.
Can you do this and mabey take the test 2 weeks into or after.
I'm asking because I have 5 kits of Serostim, I'm just awaiting the Test and figuring out which kind I want to do with this 6 month cycle.
Some people have been posting doing the GH before Test.
Can you do this and mabey take the test 2 weeks into or after.
I'm asking because I have 5 kits of Serostim, I'm just awaiting the Test and figuring out which kind I want to do with this 6 month cycle.
Hey flex.....did you get my email on this? I have never spoken to anyone who prefered gluco over insulin. Insulin isn't scary and isn't dangerous if you use some common sense. Start with a light dose of humalog or humulin-r, like 4iu with your GH injection, and work up 1 iu a day to 10. Then split the dose AM and PM, so as to be using 20 iu a day. Take in 10 grams of carbs per iu 15 min. after injecting, protein shake at 1 hour, no fat meal at 2 hours (if using humulin-r.....cut the times in half if using humalog) and you will be fine. I usually put on an extra 8 to 10 quality pounds with insulin on a 12 week cycle of GH and gear.
It is important to have proper serum concentration levels of all the ingredients for the best results. GH alone will just lean you out...no mass gains.
It is important to have proper serum concentration levels of all the ingredients for the best results. GH alone will just lean you out...no mass gains.
Ironmaster> Never got your e-mail, did you send it to [email protected]?
Give me a shout if you can ,, I've got some more detailed Questions for ya.. Thanks Bro.
Give me a shout if you can ,, I've got some more detailed Questions for ya.. Thanks Bro.
ItalianSta
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ironmaster said:
So IronMaster , do you do the insulin for the entire 12 week cycle ? Also I know the evening dose is taken immediately after a workout , but when do you take it in the am ? 1 hour Before you plan on your breakfast ( for humilog )?
ultragainz
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when i did slin i did it like this 3 weeks on 1 week off so it ended at week 11.....i liked it that way....
maybe someone can explain this to me. GH will increase the number of muscle cells. and i understand that Test is needed to fill the news cells. so if you preload the test b4 taking the GH, what happens to the test until the new cell arrive ? also, if you are dosing GH for 3-4 months, will you need to dose more Test near the end ?
2ez2brich
2ez2brich
Since most of the test blends that we prefer take several weeks to reach proper serum concentration levels to see results, preloading makes some sense. Personally, instead of pre-loading, I start with test suspension, prop, and anadrol while I am waiting for the slower test to kick in (start all at the same time, and drop the suspension after 2 weeks, the prop and anadrol after 4, and run cyp throughout). At about the half way point, I taper back the test and finish with eq, fina, winny for a bigger, ripped up look. For pure mass, run the heavy test and insulin throughout. Top pic is GH cycle results wih the change over to the anabolics, the bottom pic is GH/test/insulin throughout for more size....
When splitting GH/insulin doses, I use mid-morning and late afternoon after lifting....both flat times in our natural GH production. The insulin overcomes the insulin-resistance caused by exogenous GH supplementation.
When splitting GH/insulin doses, I use mid-morning and late afternoon after lifting....both flat times in our natural GH production. The insulin overcomes the insulin-resistance caused by exogenous GH supplementation.
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Ironmaster whats the dosages for the Suspension the first 2 weeks? And the Prop for the entire 4 weeks. Then when doing Cyp for the remainder how long would you stay on the Cyp?
Would improvising D-bol instead of Anadrol for an oral be sufficient? Remembering this Gh/slin cycle is going for 6 months. Thanks...
Would improvising D-bol instead of Anadrol for an oral be sufficient? Remembering this Gh/slin cycle is going for 6 months. Thanks...
Flex, in that second pic, I used 1cc suspension ED, 1cc prop ED, (both are 100mg/ml) and 100mg anadrol ED. At the same time I started 1200mg cypro a week. I dropped the suspension after 2 weeks, and the anadrol after 4. Stayed with the prop and cypro throughout - 12 weeks.
If I was getting ready for a show, I would reduce the test as the time approached, and switch to the eq, winny, fina, t3. Probably up the GH and taper off the insulin. Just take pics every week and adjust according to the look you want. No cycle is set in stone, and diet is everything pre-show. You will need less of everything than me, cause you are a young guy with good genetics.
Dbol is a fine sub for the a50's.
If I was getting ready for a show, I would reduce the test as the time approached, and switch to the eq, winny, fina, t3. Probably up the GH and taper off the insulin. Just take pics every week and adjust according to the look you want. No cycle is set in stone, and diet is everything pre-show. You will need less of everything than me, cause you are a young guy with good genetics.
Dbol is a fine sub for the a50's.
1st month - 4.5iu daily, 2nd month - 6iu daily, 3rd - month 8iu daily.......split am and pm starting at 2nd month, with 10iu humalog each injection am and pm. How ya been, 2ez2....still a stud?
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2ez2brich (aka the connoiseur of woman)
why this is correct my mon cherie amore..hehehe
i do not discriminate. i appreciate all shapes, sizes, race culture and religion. you see i am one who believes that women should not only be respected, but cherished. to me, women are truly God's gift to man and i am a man who enjoys a lot of gifts...hehehe
2ez2brich (aka the connoiseur of woman)
Ms. Supergirl,
i may have what you desire my mon cherie amore. after following your posting for sometime now, i have come to realize, that you may be my destiny. my reasons for living. hell, i'd be willing to buy you a GH cycle, but no slin for you girl. i tell ya what. let's cut the formality and make this thing between you and me a reality. let's grow old together. you and me.
2ez2brich (aka Magic Don Juan)
i may have what you desire my mon cherie amore. after following your posting for sometime now, i have come to realize, that you may be my destiny. my reasons for living. hell, i'd be willing to buy you a GH cycle, but no slin for you girl. i tell ya what. let's cut the formality and make this thing between you and me a reality. let's grow old together. you and me.
2ez2brich (aka Magic Don Juan)
that was cold !
but i will persevere my mon cherie ! (sniff, sniff), with or without you ! you see all i wanted to do, was to enhance your life. but if you are content, with current conditions, then go on with your bad self.
i'm not going away angry, i will just go away.
2ez2brich (aka broken hearted....sniff, sniff)
luv ya !
but i will persevere my mon cherie ! (sniff, sniff), with or without you ! you see all i wanted to do, was to enhance your life. but if you are content, with current conditions, then go on with your bad self.
i'm not going away angry, i will just go away.
2ez2brich (aka broken hearted....sniff, sniff)
luv ya !
Annihilator99
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Bumping this sucker up...
If I were to use GH for the soul purpose of cutting as opposed to gaining mass, would insulin still be a good choice to use with it? And regarding the insulin resistance, wouldn't this happen if it were used alone? I am at a point where I am large enough - just need to get cut. Currently doing 2nd DNP cycle, but later on down the road I am going to do GH.
If I were to use GH for the soul purpose of cutting as opposed to gaining mass, would insulin still be a good choice to use with it? And regarding the insulin resistance, wouldn't this happen if it were used alone? I am at a point where I am large enough - just need to get cut. Currently doing 2nd DNP cycle, but later on down the road I am going to do GH.
Yes, correct......insulin supplementation with GH is to overcome the body's natural defense mechanisms......at least the way I use it. Insulin will help you avoid GH induced hypogylcemia.
GH works better in synergy with a light insulin dosing. Of course those who are looking for more size will use more insulin.
I am considering going to a super long lasting insulin to boast the effectiveness GH throughout the day, instead of the fast stuff we all use with steroid cycles. Just takes a little more care in timing nutrients.
GH works better in synergy with a light insulin dosing. Of course those who are looking for more size will use more insulin.
I am considering going to a super long lasting insulin to boast the effectiveness GH throughout the day, instead of the fast stuff we all use with steroid cycles. Just takes a little more care in timing nutrients.
Annihilator99
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ironmaster - thank you. Your thoughts on a 'light' insulin dose? And I take it you feel that glucophage would not be optimal in this respect?
10iu of humalog with the GH injection is ideal for me.
Annihilator99
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Thanks ironmaster - this info is much appreciated.
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