Test and tren.

[BIGNUTT]

I know alot of people have done this cycle. I have been told by experienced bb that I should use tren w/ test to help lose bf and make better quality gains. I am wondering what are the sides to tren? I have clomid/nolvadex/ HCG, I am wondering how and which of these should be used post cycle w/ test/tren cycle?

Thanks

 

[thx9000]

Have you ever done a cycle?

 

[Quez1982]

i used 100mg's eod ... the sides werent bad at all really...just the taste of the tren in your mouth...and a slight mood change.. nothing dramatic...test keeps from the tren dick... keep your test up so its of course useable

 

[n1tro]

Check my nolva and clomid thread. You should find the information usefule since its in regards to the same cycle with drol.

 

[slobberknocker]

I think it's a good idea to always take some test in order to keep your libido and your mood functioning well. I've had good results on cycles without test, but the entire time I just felt a little "off" emotionally.

 

[BIGNUTT]

I am going to be doing 500mg. of test ew for 10wks., I am just thinking of adding tren to it to help lose fat and gain better muscle.

 

[BIGNUTT]

Have you ever done a cycle?

Not yet, about to start a test cycle. I am just thinking of adding tren to it, not vise versa.

 

[BIGNUTT]

Check my nolva and clomid thread. You should find the information usefule since its in regards to the same cycle with drol.

I read your post, it leaves me wanting more answers about tren.

THX9000,

Why do you say tren causes a worse gyno? I only have access to nolvadex/clomid/hcg, will this not be enough? Should I actually run something during my cycle and not just post cycle?

 

[thx9000]

I read your post, it leaves me wanting more answers about tren.

THX9000,

Why do you say tren causes a worse gyno? I only have access to nolvadex/clomid/hcg, will this not be enough? Should I actually run something during my cycle and not just post cycle?

Just saying, only from what I have read of others dealing with, that prolactin induced gyno is tough to fight. I don't know if that's b/c those people were also dealing with estrogenic sides at the same time or if there's something particularly rough about prolactin gyno.

Nolva/HCG/Clomid will be great for you PCT. None of them will help if you run into problems from the tren. That would require dostinex or bromo and I don't know how helpful they are after the gyno starts.

IMO, a first cycle should consist of something simpler. Just test for you first cycle should be great, there's no need to complicate things with tren.

 

[magman1]

nolva will not combat tren sides...i would NOT include it in a first cycle...i have a few under my belt, and am reacting kinda harshly to tren...its not like u cant try it at another point...try out the test, it can be used for cutting by itself, and when a lil more experienced, you may think about tren

 

[BIGNUTT]

I've been talking to a well known guy, moderator at another site. He told me gyno is gyno and there is no evidence that tren even causes gyno. Now I am not saying anyone is wrong, but this is a guy who always has written evidence anytime someone confronts him to back up what he said.

Ok, so say tren isn't a good idea, is winny more safe or not? I am also thinking of winny/clen cutting cycle, because I need to cut more than gain at this point.

 

[magman1]

IMO winny is overrated as a cutter if you are already not at a low bf...but no winny is a 17aa steroid, and is not too safe...

 

[thx9000]

I've been talking to a well known guy, moderator at another site. He told me gyno is gyno and there is no evidence that tren even causes gyno.

It's pretty rare but there are people that have had this problem. Unfortunately if you are looking for evidence from something like PubMed, you're not going to get it. Tren is for cows, not humans. Talk to "Silent Method" if you want to hear from someone that got gyno from tren or just do a search. There are people that report this problem.

Either way, you have no idea how you are going to respond to gear, start with something easier than tren.

 

[magman1]

i do not have the scientific terms, im sure others will be able to help you out, but tren does not convert to estrogen, like a lot of andorgens which cause gyno, it is prolactin, which also causes gyno in some...one way i have heard to deal with this is thru the use of bromo, which has some pretty severe sides

 

[n1tro]

Fuck! All this talking about the dangers of tren is making me nervous. So many regard tren as one of if not the best steroid out there. I'm going to try my luck any way hoping I dont get Prolactin induced gyno. I've had success with Deca before and maybe a little bit of swelling and that was at 300mg per week with 500mg test. I'm hoping the Tren will leave my tits alone!

Speaking on winstrol for a second I did a winstrol test prop and masteron cycle durin july and august and man it was amazing. I am more of a ecto-meso but still I was impressed. I felt the winstrol really pumped up my veins and I was sweatting like a bastard during weight training.

 

[bicepts101]

i've heard that gyno cannot be activated without significant amounts of prolactin and estrogen.