Test and Tren Cycle

[Durp]

Hey guys

Been training properly for about 13 months now although trained kickboxing for a few years before that so I have been always interested in sport and competitive side of things and have made some good gains naturally.

My stats are 6ft - 180lbs
Bench - 200lbs (8reps)
Squat - 265lbs (8reps)
Deadlift - 265lbs (8reps)

I read the sticky and have a breakdown of my typical diet - can include meal plans if needed but essentially per day I am eating

4000 cals
carb = 400g
protein = 250g
fat = 145g

So basically C:F = 50:30:20%

And that includes two weight gain shakes made with peanut butter and banana etc. Just to add I feel that I am a ecto and struggle to put on mass but I do intend to step up my calories when I start my cycle and aim for 5000 lol!

My goal is to put on as much lean muscle as possible for the summer (I know I sound like a douche here!) but any advice would be much appreciated.

I know tren is generally not advised for your first cycle but I have heard good reviews and would like to make my own mind up.

Basically im looking for advice on dosages, number of injections per week and PCT dosages.

If you need any more info just ask, eagerly awaiting your responses....


*Just wanted to add - with the below statement, what are these sides I keep hearing about. Ive heard this statement so many times but never an explaination

"tren e should only be ran after you have experimented with Ace to see how you tolerate that imo. to many guys run e and dont like the sides but guess what the ester is still with you for weeks after you stop shooting it. With tren ace its gone in a few days and your back to normal feeling."

 

[jcb_phlps]

Brother results on cycle will directly reflect your diet as well. In order to put on mass you have to eat over maintence. You know what your maintence is so even with a test only cycle you would be just fine you dont have to through in the tren in order to get what your looking for. Tren is nothing short of amazing but it comes with a different wealth of side effects for each user like I said you should try some test and run it by itself and monitor your diet to get the results you want.

 

[jcb_phlps]

What kind of training regiment are you using?

 

[instant.muscle]

it depends how u react to tren like he said, me personally, it doesnt have negative effects on me weird enough, some people it feels like death...

 

[Durp]

Double Post

 

[Durp]

Forgot to add one thing - Im 23 still young but not to young to start a cycle I feel. I do agree that the common consensus is that your first cycle should be Test alone but there has been so much "hype" about Tren and I like the fact that it promotes lean gains and almost works as a fat burner at the same time. I am 100% dedicated to this and if there are side effects I would like to think that my determination would help me overcome them.

Training routine is as follows:

Monday - Legs
Squat - 4x8
Leg Press - 3x8
Leg Ext - 3x8

a) Stiff Leg DL - 3x8 (supersetted with)
b) Leg Curl - 3*8

Caise raise - 3xfailure


Tuesday - Shoulders (weakest area imo) + Abs
a) Military Shoulder Press - 4x8 (supersetted with)
b) Lat Raises - 4x10

Upright Row - 3x10
Shrugs - 3x10

a) front raise - 3x10 (supersetted with)
b) lying rear delt fly - 3x10

Abs = weighted crunches supersetted with leg raises (3sets)


Wednesday = off


Thursday = Back/Bicep
Widegrip weighted pullups - 3x8
Deadlift - 4*8
Bent over row - 3x8
T-bar row - 3x8

a) normal pullups - 3xfailure (supersetted with)
b) barbell curls


Friday - Chest/Triceps (favourite day!)
Inc dumbbell press - 4*8
BB bench - 3*8
Inc Fly - 3*8-10
Weighted Dips - 3xfailure

a)Skullcrushers - 3*10 (supersetted with)
b)Close grip BB press - 3xfailure

Abs = weighted crunches supersetted with leg raises (3sets)

**Note - I was considering a 5day split once I started a cycle if the DOMS isnt to bad

 

[25homes]

Id run a sust at 400-500mg a week and tren ace at 75mg eod inj sust eod with the tren. Fast esters in sust and tren will give you results quick. Run for 8-10 weeks. Also diet looks fairly solid but your protein needs to increase. Your protein should be 350-400grams a day

 

[Littleman784]

I wouldn't run the Tren Ace longer than 6 wks at 75mg EOD, make sure you drinking plenty of water!

 

[Deltoid_87]

Most will tell u Tren is a bad idea first cycle and they're right, but ur prob gonna do it anyway arent u so just make sure u run a LOW dose bro 200 - 300mg Tren E or 50 -75mg eod for Ace.. A lot of people say sides are a little milder with Tren E,, although sides are out ur system faster with Ace which is obvious... Personally i'd go With E more stable blood levels, u can run it longer and less pinning.

I'd use Cabasar with any ammount of Tren

 

[Durp]

Thanks bro thats very helpful!

I will let you know how the sides are and keep the thread updated if anyone is interested. If I get good results I may even post before and after pics haha! Although no doubt I will be back with questions during the cycle!

Im starting next monday as I have been off the gym for just over 2 weeks because of holidays and the flu so im doing an 80% week.

One other thing, with injections ED or EoD can you inject the same site ie Quads or do you have to change, will it be 'that' sore? Quads is the easiest access since I havent pinned before and I reckon the glutes/delts would be more akward yes? Im using 1.25inch needles if it makes a difference.