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Tendonitis..........F**K
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wetback said:
I got it in my shoulder
Lots of cream and massages 
Anti-inflamitory (advil) during day and before workout. Ice after workout and during day as able.
Problem is that you got it from overuse or strain and the way that heals is by laying off it. Most steroid users get it because they push the weight up too fast and the muscles are enhanced by the roids (as is CNS) but the tendons and soft tissue is not. Hence the frequent tendonitis which impacts ability to make gains and can actually be alleviated to a degree by the drugs so it can get a whole lot worse when coming off and trying to retain your gains.
If you are a competitive athlete of some kind preparing for a meet, you could more easily rationalize pushing a bit longer or harder but the bottom line is that you need to back off of it and let it heal some.
If it's mild and you take it a bit easier, with the advil and ice it might go away fairly quickly. If it's more severe, that could necessitate a more extensive layoff. Totally depends on the individual case.
Problem is that you got it from overuse or strain and the way that heals is by laying off it. Most steroid users get it because they push the weight up too fast and the muscles are enhanced by the roids (as is CNS) but the tendons and soft tissue is not. Hence the frequent tendonitis which impacts ability to make gains and can actually be alleviated to a degree by the drugs so it can get a whole lot worse when coming off and trying to retain your gains.
If you are a competitive athlete of some kind preparing for a meet, you could more easily rationalize pushing a bit longer or harder but the bottom line is that you need to back off of it and let it heal some.
If it's mild and you take it a bit easier, with the advil and ice it might go away fairly quickly. If it's more severe, that could necessitate a more extensive layoff. Totally depends on the individual case.
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*MissFit*
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I had it and lasted about 6-7 months.. it was painful.
I guess the fact i didn't stop lifting amde it worse. My doctor gave me an anti-inflamatory.. started with an M... Made it much more liveable.
Ice also helped
I guess the fact i didn't stop lifting amde it worse. My doctor gave me an anti-inflamatory.. started with an M... Made it much more liveable.
Ice also helped
Boston Strangler
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glucosamine chondroitin and try to stay hydrated at all times.....i found that when I get dehydrated I can get bad tendonitis while on....
duke of earl
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There's been a few threads on how certain AS can help with tendon strength.......
Off the top of my head Var, Deca & Eq were all mentioned in one article as being beneficial for connective tissue including tendons & ligaments.
skacorica
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coming from experience, although mine came from playing football, I can tell you that you should take it REALLY easy unless you want it to last forever. Mine still nags me occaisonally 4 years later. Ice, Ice, Ice, and Ibuprofen. If you arent on gear, take double the dosage that the bottle suggests...that was the advice from my family doctor after my Anti-Inflammitories ran out and it was down to a lesser ache.
mrplunkey
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I've had some success with a horse linament -- something called Traumile (sp). Between lifting around the tendonitis in my elbow (i.e. reposition elbows on presses, avoid pull-overs), along with a neoprene elbow support and Traumile after each workout I can often keep mine in check.
If I remember correctly, Tylenol is bad for the liver (in high doses) and Ibuprofin is hard on the kidneys (in high doses). Normally I try to dodge oral anti-inflamitories during AAS cycles as a just-in-case measure.
On a side note, I really only notice my elbow flare-up when I mess around with my grip on bench presses. Some of it comes from not listening to my body more and sticking with fixed weight/rep schemas even when I've changed grips.
If I remember correctly, Tylenol is bad for the liver (in high doses) and Ibuprofin is hard on the kidneys (in high doses). Normally I try to dodge oral anti-inflamitories during AAS cycles as a just-in-case measure.
On a side note, I really only notice my elbow flare-up when I mess around with my grip on bench presses. Some of it comes from not listening to my body more and sticking with fixed weight/rep schemas even when I've changed grips.
wellbilt
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i had that shit in my left elbo basically i stayed away from certain excersises that bothered it also believe it or not i got one of those tennis elbo straps that goes on your forarm and that helped greaTLEY ALSO after my last var cycle the tennis elbo is gone i ahve not used my strap and have been hitting the weights hard i ended my cycle in the beggining of august i have also reAD THAT eq,hgh,deca,and anavar are good for thes types of injuries.i would take alittle break for a week or 2 get a brace and just watch what you do in the gym basically any excersize that required a good grip erritated my elbo so i also started using lifting straps for deads an other back excersizes which helped alot also i would heat my elbo and give the tendon a dep ,massaged befpre bed hope this helps bro good luck
PILEDRIVER3
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Chondroitin and glucosamine never did anything for me. I started using a dipeptide called carnosine to see if it could enhance my endurance during a workout (it enhances nitric oxide synthesis). Carnosine did indeed enhance my workout intensity, but what I was not expecting is that it also healed the tendonitis I experienced in my left elbow and left knee in about two months time. I have not even taken carnosine in close to a year, yet my pain has not returned. I did a little research and there are studies that do indicate that carnosine is beneficial to joint function.
ATLmuscles
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The "m" drug mentioned above was probably Depot Medrol (methylprednisone,) an injectible anti-inflammatory corticosteroid. You could inject 60 mg to help relieve infllammation and it will help alot. If you can't get any, your dr. may do it for you, if he feels it is appropriate. You don't want to use this regulary, as it is catbolic, like all corticosteroids (the family that cortisol is in, of course.)
GH helps to strengthen connective tissues.
I don't know of any AAS that do this, but I do know that Deca has been renowned to help with joint problems, and I know from personal experience that it has helped me. I have no idea what the mechanism for this is, as AAS aren't stimulating the tendons, but it does work. Same may be true for 'var as mentioned above.
GH helps to strengthen connective tissues.
I don't know of any AAS that do this, but I do know that Deca has been renowned to help with joint problems, and I know from personal experience that it has helped me. I have no idea what the mechanism for this is, as AAS aren't stimulating the tendons, but it does work. Same may be true for 'var as mentioned above.
dr0832
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Anti-inflamatories, icing, IBprofen or anything else won't do anything to heal this. The only way to get rid of it is to rest completely and just workout legs or abs or something. All that other shit may help a bit but you will never get rid of it, and you will always be in some sort of pain. I actually have had numerous types of tendonitis from tennis over the past 15 years off and on.
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roidpuple
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visit a Chiro they can adjust your elbows .... when they are over stresses they can get a little of o line..... my right elbow hurt for 3-4 years because i went to heavy on tri extension. I had a few visits with the chiro and it was gone.... i tried the rest thing and gluc. chond. and it would go away tilll I started back lifting... but now is all gone and if I have any trouble i go get them adjusted.....
I have it in my right shoulder, the aromio-clavicular joint. It's fucking painful, but can be treated and corrected with physical therapy, stabilization exercises, and stuff.
If you need a REALLY good doc in Portland, let me know. I've got a couple that kick ass. They won't even make you stop training while they treat.
If you need a REALLY good doc in Portland, let me know. I've got a couple that kick ass. They won't even make you stop training while they treat.
TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT
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meatneck said:ice it for 20 minutes everyday several times throughout the day.
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and warm up before thrashing your tris
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roidpuple
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try a A.R.T specialist...... or a chiro.... !!!!! I am telling ya ... lots of time you develope scare tissure and it needs broken up....
couple things that helped me. fill a dixie cup with water and freeze it lets you freeze the crap out of the area quickly and massage while doing it, along with a liniment gel made by Absorbine (it's made for horses) worked great on my knees. I have also had great results from negatives, bear with me on this, for your elbows I would say do tricep extensions(with a DB or on Smith machine) but use both hands up and 1 down. go with a weight you can get 10 good 1-arm negatives with. their is some research on this to help runners I think the experiment was on knees. I would use the leg press and go 2 up one down for like 4 weeks and it got much better than from anything else. hope this helps PM me if you want I can prob find the article.
Bigdogmikey
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if its minor it should go away in a few monthes, it comes from growing to fast, and locking you elbows out on bench, dip, ect.. so avoid that, warm up nice and use icy hott keep it warm before a workout and ice it after and it will go away, i get it once a year for about 2 monthes then it goes away
junk
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Actually inflammation is the process with which your body deals with injuries of many kinds. The inflammatory process is beneficial and critical to the healing of most injuries. The worst thing you can actually do is take anti inflammatory, not to talk about corizone shots. Granted, the pain will go away in most cases, but the injury has not been cured and in most cases it will come again and again. May come back after weeks, months or years. When it comes back it may be accentuated and may repeat more often. If you take a loook at professional competitive athletes such as runners and tennis players you will see how they get injured over and over at the spot. More so, since they take cortisone and anti-inflammatory too often, it will hunt them when their career is over. Most that do get injured and treated this way are miserable in their later life.
I searched but couldn't find a great old post that Zyglmail wrote explaining this issue.
The correct way to treat these kind of issues is NOT to treat the symptoms but to treat the problem and cure it.
That includes:
Going to a sports chiropractor, having the root of the problem cured.
Doing special stretches daily... yes.. I'm talking about those silly looking pussy exercises.
Using supplements such as Chondroitin and Glucosamine year around (also a must as a year-round preventive for all athletes). Sam-E may also help. hGH may help (both systematically and when injected to the affected area by a professional).
I know most guys just pass on this shit and don't pay attention, taking the easy way and just neglecting the problems.. Just don't let me tell you : "I TOLD YOU!".
Unfortunately, I've made quite a doctorate on this shit. Spending hundreds of hours on the last 5 months. Why? Because I injured my back on September 2004 and am still suffering and can only train lightly. Looking back then.... It could have been super beneficial to actually practice and pay attention to these 'silly' (mistakenly looking) M&F articles by doctor Yesis. You have no idea (and neither did I in the 8 years that I've trained before) of what preventive measures can save you from. How about not training at all or doing dumbbell curls with 10lbs for 5 months ?? Loosing 25 pounds of muscle? And not even visualizing deadlifts (love of my life!) anymore? Apocalyptic as it may seem, it happened to me.
BTW dialtone, I had the same thing as you describe. I had some though pain in the lower back for about a month or two prior to when my injury exploded. I always ignored the pain, thinking it was just from a "good workout" to my erectors spine, as the pain was not sharp at that time pre-injury and it did seem very similar to muscular pain. For 8 years I was always religiously preaching to people "NO BELT PLEASE!". I never used them for any lift, that was a BIG mistake. I should have used them for the heavy sets of my deadlifts and squats only, but being that I was too anti-belt kinda person I did the mistake of not using them at all.. even with my blood spitting deadlifts and squats. Now not working out for 5 months, for me is like living 24 hours a day in hell (including when sleeping and getting nightmares). OK got carried away a bit with my point, though I only tipped the iceberg of my story.
Take care! (really!)
I searched but couldn't find a great old post that Zyglmail wrote explaining this issue.
The correct way to treat these kind of issues is NOT to treat the symptoms but to treat the problem and cure it.
That includes:
Going to a sports chiropractor, having the root of the problem cured.
Doing special stretches daily... yes.. I'm talking about those silly looking pussy exercises.
Using supplements such as Chondroitin and Glucosamine year around (also a must as a year-round preventive for all athletes). Sam-E may also help. hGH may help (both systematically and when injected to the affected area by a professional).
I know most guys just pass on this shit and don't pay attention, taking the easy way and just neglecting the problems.. Just don't let me tell you : "I TOLD YOU!".
Unfortunately, I've made quite a doctorate on this shit. Spending hundreds of hours on the last 5 months. Why? Because I injured my back on September 2004 and am still suffering and can only train lightly. Looking back then.... It could have been super beneficial to actually practice and pay attention to these 'silly' (mistakenly looking) M&F articles by doctor Yesis. You have no idea (and neither did I in the 8 years that I've trained before) of what preventive measures can save you from. How about not training at all or doing dumbbell curls with 10lbs for 5 months ?? Loosing 25 pounds of muscle? And not even visualizing deadlifts (love of my life!) anymore? Apocalyptic as it may seem, it happened to me.
BTW dialtone, I had the same thing as you describe. I had some though pain in the lower back for about a month or two prior to when my injury exploded. I always ignored the pain, thinking it was just from a "good workout" to my erectors spine, as the pain was not sharp at that time pre-injury and it did seem very similar to muscular pain. For 8 years I was always religiously preaching to people "NO BELT PLEASE!". I never used them for any lift, that was a BIG mistake. I should have used them for the heavy sets of my deadlifts and squats only, but being that I was too anti-belt kinda person I did the mistake of not using them at all.. even with my blood spitting deadlifts and squats. Now not working out for 5 months, for me is like living 24 hours a day in hell (including when sleeping and getting nightmares). OK got carried away a bit with my point, though I only tipped the iceberg of my story.
Take care! (really!)
canadianhitman
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duke of earl said:
I struggled with bad tendonitis in my elbow for quite some time...tried rest, active release, ice....no progress. Then I did some reading and found out how much EQ increases collagen synthesis. So I started taking a low dose of EQ (200mg/week) and began to consume extra collagen (beef tendons....got em free from my butcher and sliced them thinly to put in beef soup...really good actually). Within a couple of weeks, I was able to start working out more heavily....progressed quickly (for a tendon injury) without any setbacks and am now back to 100%.
A friend who had identical tendonitis in one of his elbows at the same time is just now starting to lift weights again after a huge stretch of time off from the gym and physion twice per week for a couple of months.
I know there will be some who will be tempted to flame this post, but I don't give a damn...I wish I'd used EQ and supplemented my diet with extra collagen right from day 1.
Winstrol made my elbow tendon (the one facing my abs) all loose. I can play it like a guitar string. And it moves around if I benk my arm in a certain way. I'm down to working out only once a week, hoping not to roth completely. 11 days in now, joints are no longer dry, due to gluco., condroi., msm and fatty acids, but that tendon isn't getting any better. Sucks.
Is 220lbs with 17 reps low enough weight you think? I usually do 300-330lbs.
Is 220lbs with 17 reps low enough weight you think? I usually do 300-330lbs.
