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Tendon pain on inner elbow bone...

Dr. JK

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Guys, I need some help from people who would understand as supposed to docs & therapists.

For the past 5 weeks I have a sharp pulling pain on my inner elbow bone ( RH). It's a form of tennis elbow but not the typical one on the main elbow bone.

I feel it the most when using pulling exercises especialyl wide grip pull ups.

The pain is becoming more and more sharp/inflamed, bad sign.

I did 3 sessions of accupuncture and it did not help much. I still have 2 left. One of the reasons is cause I keep agrevaing it during workouts.

Has anyone had this kind of injury/pain and what's the best thing to do? Do I have to take time off or take it easy in my workouts for this to go away?

I ask this because the typical tennis elbow I get I can work through it without any time off, but this one is becoming a killer.

Doc's will say time off or cortisone shot and I don't want either or.

Thanks for your help.
 
I have been through this off and on over the last year. Doing pulling movements like pullups or heavy cable rows causes unreal pain.

I go see and Active Release Technique therapist and have always been fixed up in usually a couple of seasons with no time missed in the gym.

This stuff has help with numerous lifting related injuries that I get due to heavy lifting and weak tendons.

Here are a couple of links, off of the official site you can find a person who does this in your area.

It is painful but the results speak for themselves.

Let me know if I can be of anymore help.

http://www.activerelease.com/

http://www.activereleasetechnique.com/
 

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Thanks BigD for your reply. Can you give some more details about the therapy, i.e. what do they actually do, how many sessions till you saw improvement and did you go easy/avoid some exercises beacuse of the injury?

Is it similar to accu-pressure massage. My accupuncture therapist does the "pins & needle" and then gives me a very intense massage on certain pressure points to stimulate circulation. I think it may be similar?

I may have screwed my accupuncture therapy since he has been telling me to lay off the waits and I contnue
:confused:

Thanks again
 
Here is some background. When I first did this I kept working out with no treatment for 3 months unti it got to the point that I couldn't straighten my arm when I would awaken. I went for a few physio treatments and they told me to take some time off to let it heal. After 2 months of physio and basically not working out at all, I was basically no better off, just pissed off.

Went to see an ART guy and first thing he said is get back in the gym and do as much as you can. After 2 treatments I was back lifting pretty heavy after 4 or 5 I was basically pain free and back to my pre-injury lifting weight.

The therapy itself can be very painfull, for my shoulder I thought I was going to die LOL. It is very similar to intense massage, the difference being was beign how they manipulated the tendons and muscles in the injured area. It involves a lot of putting intense pressure on injured areas while you move your arm through different ranges of motion to get mobility back in the area. My guy would also give me accupunture after as well.

This injury does flare up on my every now and then, when it does 1 session usually takes care of it, sometimes 2.
 
Thanks BigD. You gave me more info specifically on treating tendinitis, then I could find on the internet.

One last question:
How much did you pay and do health insurance companies pay for it?

Thanks again
 
This post/article has been passed around the boards over the last 6 months and might be worth your time to read.
Originally posted by AnimalMass on competitivemuscle.com

How to increase collegen synthesis!! (i.e. - strengthen those tendons and ligiments)

While injecting test increases protein syntesis by roughly 50 times, depending on dose and time, most bodybuilders forget that it will reduce collagen synthesis by more than 50% -- more like 80%, giving you the collagen synthesis rate of a senior citizen. Since collagen makes up tendons, bros are very prone to injury if they continue to lift very heavy, unless they cycle off T and let their collagen synthesis get back to normal. It's like having the skeletal muscle of a gorilla with the tendons of a very old man.

Winstrol increases collagen synthesis. It will give you bigger tendons. However, your body compensates for this by making them more brittle, weaker, and more prone to injury. I can't tell you how many bros work out anaerobically and become injured while on winstrol. Guys who lift in the 1-5 rep range while on winstrol, to baseball players who sprint all out from a stationary position -- winstrol should be the LAST drug they choose. Most of them like winstrol because they don't get the weight gain from it but it is very detrimental to bros who train for any sport anaerobically. Tendons tear easily on it.

Also, the drugs I mention increase collagen syn while also increasing collagen cross-linking integrity, making for a much stronger tendon.

Winstrol, on the other hand, will dramatically increase collagen syn, but ironically it decreases collagen cross-linking integrity, thus making a much weaker tendon.

You can plan a cycle of AAS which will increase collagen synthesis and skeletal muscle growth at the same time. The key is the drug(s) you choose.

Deca, Equipoise, Anavar, and Primobolan will ALL increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen syn and bone mass and density, leaving you with a substantially reduced chance of becoming injured than if you choose to use AAS like sus, cyp, or enth.

While testosterone will increase bone mass and density, even at supra-physiological levels, the result is weaker tendons due to inhibition of collagen syn.

To plan a cycle where the goal is to increase skeletal muscle mass/strength while at the same time increase joint/tendon/ligament strength, enough to keep up with the dramatic increase in skeletal muscle, you must choose drugs like Eq, Deca, Anavar, or Primo as the base of your cycle. Testosterone and its esters can be added to your cycle to keep levels within a 'normal' physiological range (ie, 100-200 mg/wk) but must not go above this. Since drugs like eq, deca, anavar and primo will reduce endogenous, natural levels of test, these levels may be maintained with exogenous test in the 100-200 mg/wk range. Test at this dose will not inhibit collagen syn, but paradoxically, will help increase it. It is when exogenous testosterone is used > 200 mg/wk that collagen syn is inhibited.

Deca @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca is a very good drug at giving you everything you want -- an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood

Primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% -- less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.

Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% -- slightly better than deca.

Oxandrolone has over a hundred studies documenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen syn to enhance healing.

These drugs have longer half-lives than most other AAS, so this should be considered when timing your post cycle clomid use. Here they are:

Deca: 15 days Equipoise: 14 days Primobolan: 10.5 days

Anavar has a half-life of only 8 hours so it should not pose a problem.

GH is probably the most remarkable drug at increasing collagen synthesis. It increases collagen syn in a dose dependant manner -- the more you use, the more you will increase collagen syn. It has also demonstrated this ability in short and long term studies. From what I've read, hGH at 6 iu/day increased the collagen deposition rate by around 250% in damaged collagen structures. This result indicates that the increased biomechanical strength of wounds to collagen structures treated with biosynthetic human growth hormone was produced by an increased deposition of collagen in the collagen structures.

Eq, primo, anavar, and deca are all good -- they increase several biomakers of collagen syn -- ie, type III, II, I, procollagen markers. GH just seems to do so most dramatically.

Use of any of these drugs @ supra-physiological levels with a maintenance dose of test will increase collagen syn while at the same time increase skeletal muscle mass. Skeletal muscle mass gains will not be as dramatic as with large testosterone doses but you have to weigh the risk/reward basis for yourself. Also, these drugs do not satisfy the libido like testosterone, but that is not the point of this thread. It is only to demonstrate that you can increase skeletal muscle and collagen syn at the same time with certain AAS -- the decision is up to you.

AnimalMass
ref: How to increase collegen synthesis!! (i.e. - strengthen those tendons and ligiments)
 
Dr. JK said:
Thanks BigD. You gave me more info specifically on treating tendinitis, then I could find on the internet.

One last question:
How much did you pay and do health insurance companies pay for it?

Thanks again

It cost something like 40/session and was covered by my extended health plan at work. If you have a health plan at work that covers physio, chiro and stuff like that, then chances are it covers this as well. Blue cross is our carrier.


I know it costs double what my physio was but was well worth it and I only needed very few treatments so in the long run it was a lot cheaper.
 
Another reccommendation for ART here. It really helped with my shoulder problems and I also had some work done for tennis elbow aka carpal tunnel.

Look up Dr. Lawrence Micheli for a good doc in Toronto.
 
BigD,

Is ART listed in your extended health plan book or did you submit it under physio or other?

I am with Clarica and they cover up to $500 for the typical stuff. I have to go and see if the booklet actually says ART or something close.

I got a hold of one clinic in my area and they charge $70 for 1st visit and $30 after. I think I am going to say good bye accupuncture, hello ART.
 
Dr. JK said:
BigD,

Is ART listed in your extended health plan book or did you submit it under physio or other?

I am with Clarica and they cover up to $500 for the typical stuff. I have to go and see if the booklet actually says ART or something close.

I got a hold of one clinic in my area and they charge $70 for 1st visit and $30 after. I think I am going to say good bye accupuncture, hello ART.

ART wasn't listed in our book as it is farily new and not many practise it here.

I just sent in the reciepts and had my check sent no problem. Usually these guys are either a physio or chiroprator as well so I don't see why you would have a problem.

Hope you get the same results I was able to get. Good luck.
 
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