Telling newbies to take test.

[JAYMAN014]

Just my opinion as I always say, But you guys that like to recommend Test to the newbie's are wrong. Yes its there first cycle and they should gain the most of any cycles to follow, but with myself test did things to me that where not worth the gains, The acne #1 but yes I know not everyone gets acne from test. #2 Hair growth, I now after a low test dose cycle have twice the hair growing up my chest, arms, legs, Everywhere, I also lost hair where I wanted it. Yes there are ways to control most of these sides but how many newbies know or have access to all these extras? My first cycle was Deca and I gained almost 20pds keeping about 12pds. I had 0 sides no Hairloss and NO ance, or extra hair growth. No I don't hate Test, it did great things for my body but I did it after I knew more about AS. Deca's recovery processes is horrible compared to test, but these new guys that are looking for beach body's and are not in competion are going to get the results they want from EQ,DECA,ANAVAR and other less harmful AS, Again don't take this wrong just my opinion.

 

[Boulder257]

I understand your point, but I think that most of us recongnize that the basis for any mass cycle is going to be test. Every AAS has sides, and no one knows exactly how they are going to react to any compound before they actually take it.
For me, test is the way to start, with a d-bol kick start. Then you move on to upping those dosages before you even switch to other items.

I do think sometimes we tend to go overboard with using too many substances and too high a dose.

 

[georgie24]

gear is a trial and error game, alot of bro's post from experience

 

[JAYMAN014]

This is true like I said Just my opinion. When I joined this board I took all the things you guys said as the law, and you know what you where all right in almost every responce I got to questions, I just hate to see New guys that are not bodybuilding just want to look better take things that may effect them for the rest of their lives. And since it is trial & error why not start with something less harmful, and see if it gives you what you are looking for. It's all good either way I just hate to see newbies post their ideas of a first cycle including anavar, or deca in hope for a safer cycle, and then read responses saying that the cycle is worthless. ADD TEST, 500mg/wk

 

[gilly6993]

test is king....it should be a part of most cycles....IMO it should definately be part of a first cycle, either alone or with another compound, and of course in moderate dosages.....

 

[tboy72]

im new to gear....thanks for the input here. i did reasearch the hell out of all options, weighing them out......cost....side effects...and the post cycle...i like jays idea's here. even though the btg var isnt very cost effective thats the rout i went. im 3 and a half weeks into 25 mg's a day and im loving it...no sides at all. lost body fat and gained a couple of punds...strength has majorly increased so has vascularity.
i plan on running it another 5 weeks and have some papervar on the way so i can bump it up to 40 mg's a day
just a quick question for you guys.......
ive noticed a steady but fairly slow increase in strength...is there any time during the 8 weeks where you notice better results then other weeks???????
although i have added 40 lbs to shoulder presses already
stats....6'3
220 lbs
bf from 15 to 12...%

 

[jubei]

Test is a soild, cheap, and readily available first cycle IMHO.

 

[lartinos]

Test for a newb is better then primo probably is for a vet. ( I never did primo) The price is small compared to the results you can get.

 

[Big Rick Rock]

between:

Aromastin
Finasteride
Clomid
Nolvadex

you can basicaly have a nice Test Cycle almost free of sides.

 

[rev dan]

Honestly, im kind of old school.

my first cycle was d-bol strait just 25mg a day. I gained 45ibs in eight weeks. I know the dosages of many gym rats, and there very high. Futhermore, many of these guys are pretty small men. I just think the view on AS has changed, it used to be a supplement to youur regement a bost when your stuck. Now it seems like a cure all for peoples lack of drive.

I think a newbie, should first explore lifting. (I dont want to sound judgemental).

A good sighn is if your workout is within 1 1/2 hours and you neeed glucose suplementation, to maintain blood sugar( IE not pass out).

 

[bullcocky]

I got a buddy that I'm about to set up with a first cycle. He has never touched any in his life. It will be test cyp and dbol only. Low dosages of course.....real low.
100mg test ew for first 3 weeks
week 4&5 200mg ...then 100mg a weeks for the last three week
The cycle will be jump started with 20mg of dbol daily. then clomid

This first time cycle could be criticized in many different ways, but for a guy that is 175lb/5'07" much gain WILL be made good eating and proper training.

 

[jubei]

^^^cycle sucks badly man. I'm not flaming you. No point doing 100mg of cyp/week. Take away ester weight and you're in the near normal range. Good first time cycle:

Test cyp/enth: 300-400mg/week week 1-10
Dbol: 20mg/day week 1-4

 

[lartinos]

between:

Aromastin
Finasteride
Clomid
Nolvadex

you can basicaly have a nice Test Cycle almost free of sides.

Nolvadex costs less then a pack cigs does nowwadays I believe, test is cheap, but aromasin could be a bitch. I got my two bottles of it for half of what PNP sells it for though. (both together for half) And no it is not available any more so don't even PM me. Liquidex can be gotten for 60 bucks, so it really doesn't cost all that much. I'm not hair prone so I wouldn't know bout that.

 

[genarr3]

I got a buddy that I'm about to set up with a first cycle. He has never touched any in his life. It will be test cyp and dbol only. Low dosages of course.....real low.
100mg test ew for first 3 weeks
week 4&5 200mg ...then 100mg a weeks for the last three week
The cycle will be jump started with 20mg of dbol daily. then clomid

This first time cycle could be criticized in many different ways, but for a guy that is 175lb/5'07" much gain WILL be made good eating and proper training.

That test dose is so low it's just a few mgs over natural production. Not alot of point in suppressing natural production with synthetic test for no gain. He may see something from the Dianabol, but do him a favor and at least 200mgs/week of test every week. That would be the barest of minimums.

 

[bullcocky]

I have done 100mg a week myself and had slow but yet good result. We are in a line of work where we cannot explode over night. 100mg a week for a beginner is very appropriate. And like I said this post would be criticized; not everybody has the same opinion. Thanks for your thread.

That test dose is so low it's just a few mgs over natural production. Not alot of point in suppressing natural production with synthetic test for no gain. He may see something from the Dianabol, but do him a favor and at least 200mgs/week of test every week. That would be the barest of minimums.

 

[theoak01]

I didnt read anybody elses post ,but 1 newbies shouldnt be on unless the research and know all things you must take while on cycle,2 a newbie should go with a lower dose to test the water and not expect 30+lbs a cycle like most seem to expect

 

[wutangnomo]

Although I've never done a cycle before (will be doing one soon), I don't think test only is a must for a first cycle. There is a reason why there are MANY other drugs available. Certain drugs influence certain sides more and everyone has different susceptibilities, whether that be to acne, gyno, hair loss, anxiety, etc.

 

[JAYMAN014]

IMO: DECA, ANAVAR, EQ, NNP, are all great ideas for a first cycle. These are the AS that I take most of the year, Provirion also to keep the good old sex drive key. I choose these AS because they don't give me acne, hairloss, and do promote gains that I am more then happy with. My other liking to these AS is they are for the most part slow gainers and with my line of work and people I deal with I can't blow up like HULK over night. Again if I was not pron to the nasty sides of test it would be my AS of choice as well.

 

[Big Rick Rock]

That test dose is so low it's just a few mgs over natural production. Not alot of point in suppressing natural production with synthetic test for no gain. He may see something from the Dianabol, but do him a favor and at least 200mgs/week of test every week. That would be the barest of minimums.

Great post.

I doesn't take much gear to suppress your HTPA, but it does take a nice amount to get good gains...

 

[bullcocky]

That test dose is so low it's just a few mgs over natural production. Not alot of point in suppressing natural production with synthetic test for no gain. He may see something from the Dianabol, but do him a favor and at least 200mgs/week of test every week. That would be the barest of minimums.

Were going to upgrade the dose to 200mg a week. This is his first experience; he works in corrections and is nervous about getting too big too quick, although, he does want to gain some quality weight. I never thought about the fact that such a low dose can suppress natural production so quick. Thanks for the information........you know what that means.....time for more gear.