Tapering

[HansNZ]

I have heard tapering getting a lot of bad publicity on here. I have seen several posts where people say it is useless. Is this true only for the steroids with long-lasting esters or does this apply to all steroids?

Is there no benefit to be gained from tapering the fast acting steroids like winstrol, oxandrolone, masteron, test. propionate, etc?

 

[DOM]

There is no need to taper with any AS IMO. It used to be believed that a taper would bring you off a cycle softly and help you to recover from atrophy, but more recently it's been found that constant peak levels of AS in the blood are most beneficial.

There are simple principles behind this. While you're on AS your natural test is shut down. Period. So if you're going to shut down your natural test and there's no way to get it back until after the cycle, why not have the highest dose of AS in you for as long as you can on the cycle? There is no reason not to do so. In fact ideally you would want the opposite of a taper, you would want your androgens to drop quickly so you can start clomid treatment and get your HPTA restored, so you don't have an in between period where you have very small amounts of AS left in your system, but still enough to keep your HPT slowed down significantly.

 

[Nimrod25]

Tapering was commom in the days b4 anti-e's. Not neccessary anymore.

 

[XXXL]

interesting DOM, i've never thought about it like that. i have always tappered my fast actings because i only use them in the begining of a cycle.

my thinking is this. i use something like dbol to jump start my cycle while waiting for my test to kick in. then after about 6 weeks i easy off the dbol (taper) so i don't have a mid cycle crash. my first cycle i stopped the dbol on week 6 to the day. i was taking 30mgs per day. after i stopped i lost some size and strength. i know most of it was water, but that water helps and if you loose it all at once, even in the middle of your cycle, you will get a crash.

hey DOM, i'm going to look into what you are saying. any other bro's have oppinons on this? ? ? i know you do. . . .

 

[DOM]

I haven't taken AS so I don't have experience with the mid cycle dbol crash, but I do see that it would happen and I guess what I would say to that is that you're going to lose the water anyway, so why not get the maximum effect of the dbol for the weeks that you're on it. Also, water gain is generally a bad thing that most would like to get rid of instead of hold onto for their cycle, and it is from aromatization, so an anti-e during the cycle would pretty much take care of it while still getting the strength benefits of dbol or whatever AS you're on.

Basically the not tapering will get you the greatest results in muscle growth and that is the ultimate goal, not to have increased strength because of water retention.

 

[HansNZ]

This is interesting.

I usually finish my cycle with steroids like oxamndrolone, winstrol etc. The reason being that I figure they consolidate the gains I made from the stronger drugs which don't seem to provide sustainable gains if you use them right up until the end of a cycle.

I also thought that using drugs like oxandrolone, winstrol, etc, at the end, which don't effect your endogenous testosterone, allows my natural testosterone to recover. I have started clomid therapy while on these hoping that my hormones will be kicking back in before the end of the cycle. I have tapered these drugs during the period I have taken clomid.

Has this approach simply delayed my recovery and wasted time because I have neither recovered my natural hormone levels nor had a useful amount of AS in my system?

 

[HansNZ]

bump. Strange, I thought this topic would be relevant to many people.