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Tapering???
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From what I've read tapering isn't a good idea, because of blood levels. You want the body to shut down as soon as possible. Thats why a lot of people will switch from test en to test prop the last 2 weeks. to get the crash so their body will react quickly. With a taper the theory is the body will think eventually your going to come down to normal levels, however you don't cycle down to normal levels and the body is left in limbo. Sorry for the lengthy explanation
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mikevegas
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cboogsrun said:
This information is incorrect. Not tapering is the worst thing you can do. You taper up because your steroid receptors downgrade to any drug you use, so tapering up keeps the gains coming. You taper on the way down because your hormone system adapts the the drugs you are injecting, and you need to slowly come off so that your system can slowly adjust back to life without the drugs. Your body cannot readjust rapidly, this is why you need to dose down each week. Jumping off will crash your system, and crash is not a good word. You'll have thrown your entire hormone system into a disturbed state, and you do NOT want this.
Whoever told you to crash your system for smart recovery does not have one ounce of drug education in his brain.
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Mr.X
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say111 said:
Tapering AS is an old gym myth, it's not necessary.
mikevegas said:
It seems like a whole lot of poeple aren't going to agree with you. If you look at your theory, you might as well not even finish the last half of your cycle. If you taper up because of receptor saturation, why in the fuck would you waste your gear and taper down, and get absolutely nothing out of it? The only way your theory holds true, would be to continiously taper up, but then when your done you would CRASH, huh?
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Outtlaw
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I dont believe it's necessary to taper (in most cases). But I do taper when I run extremely high doses. I wouldnt jump from 2g of enanthate immediately to 0 and then try to start pct. I would make sure I was on something to lessen the drop of such a high dose of gear, and then switch over to pct. But for normal to moderate doses I wouldnt even bother.
However, when you run something like prop at the end of a cycle, depending on how you run that prop, what you may be doing is essentially tapering down. So many people that end cycles with things like prop and winny are probably tapering without even realizing it.
However, when you run something like prop at the end of a cycle, depending on how you run that prop, what you may be doing is essentially tapering down. So many people that end cycles with things like prop and winny are probably tapering without even realizing it.
You don't taper up. You start out at the dose that you want to take for me that was frtonloading with omna 1500 then omna 250 eod for 12 weeks. after which i would start tapering. Tapering like this works with the adrenal glands and allows them to start their natural function on their own, so in theory the testes might do the same. Also this works with taking thyroid hormones if unless you have permanent hypothyroidism. I dont think it would be a waste if it allowed for nondrug induced testicular function to return. now mind you yhis is just a theory, I dont have any medical evidence backing this up. And yes I do have plenty of Hcg, Nolva and Clomid. Maybe i'll run some blood tests and let you know. Next wed. will be week three of my cycle. So give me some time.cboogsrun said:
say111 said:
I'd like to see the blood work. I just think at those doses tapering down would take forever for your body to start producing natty test. I think the average male produces 6mg or test a day. Your talking about taking on avg. 875mg a week. The math just doesn't seem to add up. I could be wrong and if so your blood test will proove it. If you could keep me updated I'd appreciate it.
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mikevegas
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cboogsrun said:
I've said it always in my posts, I don't claim this to be my info, only my report from the info I've read. There are numerous good books out there, and I believe I've read every book ever written, unless there is one I haven't found yet. You will see a consistent pattern amongst them all about safe usage with roids. It is consistent likely for a good reason.
Taking myself as an example, I've now used roids for 1/2 of my life, or 18 years, all in well thought out and researched cycles. My resting heart rate is in the 60's, my blood pressure is very healthy, my cholesterol is very healthy, my test count is always in the 900's, and every couple years I pass my multi million dollar business life insurance policy exam (read - very thorough physical and bloodwork as well as EKG) with flying colors. If this makes me "old school" or "old timer" in here, maybe some of these guys in here posting daily about their health problems could stand to spend some time around the "old timers".
fivefold
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I wouldn't taper down past 50% of your highest dose. IE: If your cycle consisted of taking 500mg Test each week, I would taper down to 250mg the last two or three weeks then drop off completely. And taking the test prop the last few weeks is a good idea too. you don't want lingering testosterone in your blood when you start your PCT or it will not be as effective at stimulating the release of L.H.
mikevegas said:
Alright here it is from the anabolics 2005. Since you've read every book you've obviously forgot what this one says.
Tapering:
One of the must fundamental beliefs among steroid users is that tapering, or the practie of slowly reducing their drug dosazge when disontinuiing a cycle, is an absolute necessity when wishing to preserve your newly gained muscle mass. It is rare to find an athlete who does not religiously dedicate at least threee or four weeks to a tapering schedule after every serious cycle. The belief is that the body will notice the lowering androgen level, and compensate by resuing the manufacture of testosterone. UNFORTUNATELY, you will see that this theory is, in fact, extremely flawed. This is because in order for the roduction of testosterone to be fully restored, the body will really need to recognize and androgen deficit, not just a drop in steroid dosage. For example, since even one dianobol tablet could provide the equivalent of a full day's andogen supply for the average male, tapering from five, to four, to three, ect. will accomplish relatively nothing. In the three or four weeks the athlete will spend doing this, his body is still reading "androgen overload", and will not attempt to restore the output of testosterone. This will hold true for ALL anabolic steroids, not just the strong androgens. Anecdotal evidence suggest that even tapering with mild anabolics such as Primobolan or anavar is enough to prevent or delay a hormonal rebound.
So, if tapering is useless, what should the athlete do in order to properly discontinue a steroid cycle? The obvious answer is to pay much closer attention to ancillary drug use than tapering. The proper application of testosterone stimulating compounds like HCG, Clomid, Nolva and or cyclofenil are the most critical, as these can greatly aid in the balancing of body hormones. Simply stated, there is no need to. In my opinion, going cold turkey is just the most logical option.
Resource Anabolics 2005
William Llewellyn
heavy_duty
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a quick taper up might be good to see how your body reacts if it is your first time taking the substance.
mikevegas
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Hey I've said it, I'm an old timer. Some of the books I read went out of circulation a long time ago. Basically I've read Undergound Steriod Handbook I and II, World Anabolic Review, Anabolics and the Mexican Connection, Anabolic Reference Guide, a few others I can't remember at the moment. Hey maybe times have changed and my bad for not keeping up. If I'm wrong I am more interested in learning what is new over sticking to my guns. Growing in education is most important. I haven't read anything as recently published as 2005 not assuming that it would be any different than I've read all the previous years.
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Outtlaw
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I think the problem here is the reasoning as to WHY you guys taper and/or feel it is/isnt effective. When I taper or drop dose from a very heavy cycle, I dont do it to allow my body gradually begin working to produce test again so it's not shut down, I do it so my body isnt shocked from going from 2g of test 1 week to 0mg the next week. IMO such a drastic drop in test levels is a good way to increase the risk of loosing gains. That should be the reason for dropping dose from a heavy cycle, NOT to restart the body's natural horomone production. That's what we have pct for.cboogsrun said:
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immortalis
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I believed in Tapering for quite a while. In the last 2-3 years, it seems like everything I have read says NO to tapering, so I have just stayed away from it.
I notice great results regardless of tapering or not, and I dont seem to notice any difference in coming down when tapering or not either... so since "everyone else says" not too, i just dont heh.
I notice great results regardless of tapering or not, and I dont seem to notice any difference in coming down when tapering or not either... so since "everyone else says" not too, i just dont heh.
immortalis said:I believed in Tapering for quite a while. In the last 2-3 years, it seems like everything I have read says NO to tapering, so I have just stayed away from it.
I notice great results regardless of tapering or not, and I dont seem to notice any difference in coming down when tapering or not either... so since "everyone else says" not too, i just dont heh.
I tapered my first cycle and that was it. It was a very good cycle. With all of the variables involved it was probably 2nd best. Of course the gains were great, it was my first. My last cycle of test en and tren en produced the same results but I kept a lot of it for 6 months. then I went into lifting hiatus because of a career move and lost everything and then some. LOL! I like money more than looking good. Any one know of any new literature out there besides anabolics 2006 that covers such a wide range of aas topics?
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supra5469
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my first cycle was a typical pyrimid cycle I would do something like thisOuttlaw said:
Deca wk1 100mg
wk2 200mg
wk3 300mg
wk4 300mg
wk5 400mg
wk6 300mg
wk7 300mg
wk8 200mg
wk9 100mg
this was my first cycle....I wouldn't do this now I would go 300mg straight thru and add 100mg in peak wks
I said my results were great but I have to agree that there is no reason to taper like that now. Back then thats what I was told and I followed directions
