Taking Clen with Crohns disease

[SoKlueles]

I am very interested in taking clenbuteral but I also have Crohns disease and I dont want to spend the money on it and get my Crohns disease out of remission. Is it safe to take it?
thanks

 

[Ulcasterdropout]

ALT F4

 

[SoKlueles]

IF you dont have a sensible answer, please dont post, this is serious shit, stay on c and c if u wanna talk smack

 

[awittyusername]

Hey Bro,
I have Crohns also. I chose not to use use clen, bc I don't want to come out of Crohns remission either. I think the sides from clen would aggitate Crohns too much.

Have you used ECA? I have. But, only for short time periods. (I know its not much safer than clen)

"shortstack" is another guy on the board who has Crohns. He is pretty knowledgable about AAS and Chrones. He gets HGH paid by his ins for his chrones. (lucky bastard)
But, Im sure he will chime in to this thread.

What is your diet like? The 6-8 "healthy" meals really helped w/my BF. But, it may have saved my life from Crohns also.

PM me w/any questions about Crohns. Good luck Bro.

 

[Ulcasterdropout]

IF you dont have a sensible answer, please dont post, this is serious shit, stay on c and c if u wanna talk smack

Someone changed the post hotkey on EF to ALT-F4, which is incidentally
the Windows hotkey for close window, sooooooo, when I hit ALT F4 to close a IE window out, it automatically creates a post for me.........
I hope you understand SoKlueles.....It's a mistake and I can't delete my own posts so I edit and add "ALT-F4"......I don't "wanna talk smack". Your question and condition are serious indeed. I hope this clears things up

 

[SoKlueles]

Someone changed the the post hotkey on EF to ALT-F4, which is incidentally
the Windows hotkey for close window, sooooooo, when I hit ALT F4 to close a IE window out, it automatically creates a post for me.........
I hope you understand SoKlueles.....It's a mistake and I can't delete my own posts so I edit and add "ALT-F4"......I don't "wanna talk smack". Your question and condition are serious indeed. I hope this clears things up

ok, i thought u were being a smart ass lol but its ok, i dont get what ur saying but ok
thanks for the imput, from teh information i have recieved, it didnt have anything about it, but some things that u take can aggrivate crohns disease and make it worse, I really REALLY do not want to go out of remission especially right now, because it could down my workouts and everything that im doing right now

 

[SoKlueles]

and im not a bro

 

[shortstack]

clenbuterol might aggrivate your crohns girl, i wouldnt attempt it.
i have done 2 cycles of clen, 2 diffrent brands. i was fine with the 1 cycle, and i havd a mild flare after the second one. there are a bunch of other things you can do instead of clen. look into t4 (synthroid) or maybe t3 (thyroid med). or maybe just regular supps like green tea extract. how old are you, and where are you from? I might be able to guide you with some helpful info if you want it.

take care
shortstack.

 

[SoKlueles]

clenbuterol might aggrivate your crohns girl, i wouldnt attempt it.
i have done 2 cycles of clen, 2 diffrent brands. i was fine with the 1 cycle, and i havd a mild flare after the second one. there are a bunch of other things you can do instead of clen. look into t4 (synthroid) or maybe t3 (thyroid med). or maybe just regular supps like green tea extract. how old are you, and where are you from? I might be able to guide you with some helpful info if you want it.

take care
shortstack.

Im 34 and i live in Tennessee, will the other 2 things not flare it up? I want to do this but keeping my crohns in remission is more important to me, i have kids that I have to support and i have bills to pay. I dont want to be sick in the hospital with a bad flare up.

 

[shortstack]

hey bro, this var cycle is fine, you got the go ahead if you want.
i wouldnt attempt any other aas in tab form though.
take care

shortstack (aka your ginnue pig, lol)

Hey Bro,
I have Crohns also. I chose not to use use clen, bc I don't want to come out of Crohns remission either. I think the sides from clen would aggitate Crohns too much.

Have you used ECA? I have. But, only for short time periods. (I know its not much safer than clen)

"shortstack" is another guy on the board who has Crohns. He is pretty knowledgable about AAS and Chrones. He gets HGH paid by his ins for his chrones. (lucky bastard)
But, Im sure he will chime in to this thread.

What is your diet like? The 6-8 "healthy" meals really helped w/my BF. But, it may have saved my life from Crohns also.

PM me w/any questions about Crohns. Good luck Bro.

 

[shortstack]

well....
i didnt flare, i dont find any reason why you should since its a thyroid med. but, everyone is a bit diffrent when it comes to crohns. i dont wanna tell you its ok, but i didnt flare. plus maybe you can start at a low dosage and if you feel some sytoms of a flare, you could stop the t3 or 4. its up to you, but i really dont think it will mak eyou flare. hows your diet? can you do morning cardio on an empty stomach? if i were you i would just try it, but then again, i dont have kids to second guess myself.
whatever your decision is, good luck, and feel free to pm me.

Im 34 and i live in Tennessee, will the other 2 things not flare it up? I want to do this but keeping my crohns in remission is more important to me, i have kids that I have to support and i have bills to pay. I dont want to be sick in the hospital with a bad flare up.

 

[SoKlueles]

what kind of things do u eat and what kind fo things can u not eat? Im drinking alot of water, i work at Kfc and if i eat chicken, i take the skin off and stay away from starchy stuff if i can,
when im home i try to eat meat and stay away from breads, the water helps me alot i think, cuz i can tell when i drink diet cokes, i start to not feel so good so the water helps keep your body cleansed IMO

 

[shortstack]

lol you dont want my diet, its suck to be on it. look at my thread in steroid cycles bodybuilding journal. my diet is in my anavar/hgh/t3 thread.

 

[shortstack]

i stay away from sugar. so no carbinated drinks as you said. i buy crystal light(not cool aid), it give the water some flavor atleast. chicken is good, without the skin. i stay away from fried foods also. no acidcy foods like oranges and what not. no spicy food at all. veggies, white meats, red meats sometimes. eggs, i eat alot of eggs. just think of bland foods and that what i try to stick to. if you flare the first thing i do is go straight to a bland diet, and it got to the point where i because accustom to it, and thats all i eat. my philophicy is everything in moderation. i eat foods sometime that arnt the best for my crohns, but only in moderation.

 

[awittyusername]

and im not a bro

Sorry, I should have figured it out by the "traveling the world for the perfect penis"

The diet info shortstack gave is right on. I think the most important thing to lose fat and for Crohns is the the protien/carb/veg balanced meals. every 3 or so hours. It keeps your metabolism going all day for the fat loss. And, the smaller more frequent meals are easier to digest and allows for more nutrition to be absorbed for the crohns. Here is a link for diet info http://bodyforlife.com/nutrition.shtml. Buy the book if you can. It maps out for you very healthy meals. (for fatloss and crohns)

 

[shortstack]

Sorry, I should have figured it out by the "traveling the world for the perfect penis"

lmao!

Here is a link for diet info http://bodyforlife.com/nutrition.shtml. Buy the book if you can. It maps out for you very healthy meals. (for fatloss and crohns)

dont waste your money on the book, dieting for crohns is pretty simple, the more boring the meal seems for you, probley the better it is for you. lol

 

[b1ewsw32]

I am very interested in taking clenbuteral but I also have Crohns disease and I dont want to spend the money on it and get my Crohns disease out of remission. Is it safe to take it?
thanks

I wouldn't recomend it nymphet a.k.a. Soklueless.....lol.

. Many other drugs can cause GERD, including but not limited to the following: calcium channel blockers (used to treat high blood pressure and angina), anticholinergics (used in drugs that treat urinary tract disorders, allergies, and glaucoma), beta adrenergic agonists (used for asthma and obstructive lung diseases), dopamine (used in Parkinson's disease), bisphosphonates (used to treat osteoporosis), sedatives, antibiotics, potassium, or iron pills.


WHAT IS GASTROESOPHAGEAL REFLUX DISEASE AND HEARTBURN?
Gastroesophageal reflux disease (GERD) is a condition in which the acids from the stomach move backward from the stomach into the esophagus (an action called reflux). Reflux occurs if the muscular actions in the esophagus or other protective mechanisms fail. [For a full description of the actions in the esophagus, see Box, The Esophagus.]

The hallmark symptoms of GERD are:

* Heartburn: a burning sensation in the chest and throat.

* Regurgitation: a sensation of acid backed up in the esophagus.

* Although acid is a primary factor in damage caused by GERD, other products of the digestive tract, including pepsin and bile, can also be harmful.


Other Gastrointestinal Condition Associated with GERD:
Crohn's disease is a chronic ailment that causes inflammation and injury in the colon and other parts of the gastrointestinal tract, including the esophagus. Other disorders that may affect areas that can contribute to GERD include diabetes, any gastrointestinal disorder, peptic ulcers, lymphomas, and cancer.

Hope this helps doll.

B32

 

[SoKlueles]

I have taken the ephedrine and metabolism pills before and they didnt hurt me any. I have taken almost everything, the only thing that has ever really bothered me is metabolife and it did not help my crohns AT ALL!
I think it had the ma huang in them, i dont know if that is what aggrivated my crohns, it put me drugged up on hydrocodone and phenegran for a whole day, i still have the flare ups that i can just treat,
what do u take for ur crohns disease? I have remicade infusions, the best thing that has ever happened to me. I try to have one every 3 months, but right now i am uninsured and i havent had one since January but Im workin on insurance right now. I guess thats what u lose when you get a divorce, anyway at one time i was taking 6 different meds for it. The latest thing, and I have had a flareup that my dr put me on was endocort because i told him i did not want to be on prednisone again, i was on that crap for over a year and i HATED it, endocort is like a steroid, but without all the nasty side effects of prednisone.
I also had a nurse tell me one time, that losing weight sometimes adds to the flare up, but I dont believe her because Ive lost quite a bit of weight and im doin ok, not great, but ok.
I think the exercise and non fatty food diet and drinking lots of water helps, I love raw vegetables but I cant eat them for obvious reasons

 

[shortstack]

remicade is great, im having it every 6 weeks. im on 2 other drugs, but i dont take them, lol. when im flaring, i stay away from anything hard to digest---lettuce, raw veggies, and anything else thats hard. i dont drink milk either, at all. im sure you heard that theory that crohns comes from a microbacteria thats found in milk, that doesnt agree with certain people and gives them crohns. so i just try to stay away from it anyway. i really have not had a stomach discomfort in about 2-3 years. yeah paulo mentioned that you didnt have insurance at this presant time... all i can say is hold in there until you get it back. that remicade is really awsome stuff.

 

[shortstack]

you need to give this man some karma. he is just one cool cat! he is one of the only ones on the board willing to help really difficult questions, like the ones i had when i first came here.
big K for you bro!

I wouldn't recomend it nymphet a.k.a. Soklueless.....lol.

. Many other drugs can cause GERD, including but not limited to the following: calcium channel blockers (used to treat high blood pressure and angina), anticholinergics (used in drugs that treat urinary tract disorders, allergies, and glaucoma), beta adrenergic agonists (used for asthma and obstructive lung diseases), dopamine (used in Parkinson's disease), bisphosphonates (used to treat osteoporosis), sedatives, antibiotics, potassium, or iron pills.


WHAT IS GASTROESOPHAGEAL REFLUX DISEASE AND HEARTBURN?
Gastroesophageal reflux disease (GERD) is a condition in which the acids from the stomach move backward from the stomach into the esophagus (an action called reflux). Reflux occurs if the muscular actions in the esophagus or other protective mechanisms fail. [For a full description of the actions in the esophagus, see Box, The Esophagus.]

The hallmark symptoms of GERD are:

* Heartburn: a burning sensation in the chest and throat.

* Regurgitation: a sensation of acid backed up in the esophagus.

* Although acid is a primary factor in damage caused by GERD, other products of the digestive tract, including pepsin and bile, can also be harmful.


Other Gastrointestinal Condition Associated with GERD:
Crohn's disease is a chronic ailment that causes inflammation and injury in the colon and other parts of the gastrointestinal tract, including the esophagus. Other disorders that may affect areas that can contribute to GERD include diabetes, any gastrointestinal disorder, peptic ulcers, lymphomas, and cancer.

Hope this helps doll.

B32

 

[SoKlueles]

you need to give this man some karma. he is just one cool cat! he is one of the only ones on the board willing to help really difficult questions, like the ones i had when i first came here.
big K for you bro!

he got some soklueles green

 

[SoKlueles]

I dont think the clen is right for me, because it worries me with my crohns but u took the thyroid meds that speed up ur metabolisM and that helped? From what Paulo told me, you slack up on it but it still works right?

 

[awittyusername]

I have taken the ephedrine and metabolism pills before and they didnt hurt me any. I have taken almost everything, the only thing that has ever really bothered me is metabolife and it did not help my crohns AT ALL!
I think it had the ma huang in them, i dont know if that is what aggrivated my crohns, it put me drugged up on hydrocodone and phenegran for a whole day, i still have the flare ups that i can just treat,
what do u take for ur crohns disease? I have remicade infusions, the best thing that has ever happened to me. I try to have one every 3 months, but right now i am uninsured and i havent had one since January but Im workin on insurance right now. I guess thats what u lose when you get a divorce, anyway at one time i was taking 6 different meds for it. The latest thing, and I have had a flareup that my dr put me on was endocort because i told him i did not want to be on prednisone again, i was on that crap for over a year and i HATED it, endocort is like a steroid, but without all the nasty side effects of prednisone.
I also had a nurse tell me one time, that losing weight sometimes adds to the flare up, but I dont believe her because Ive lost quite a bit of weight and im doin ok, not great, but ok.
I think the exercise and non fatty food diet and drinking lots of water helps, I love raw vegetables but I cant eat them for obvious reasons

Ma Hung and Ephedrine are the basically the same.
My advise is to stay away from all of it. And, do the eating plan and workout in the book I posted before. Or, something simmilar. (of course, w/o dairy spices etc)

Yes, I know this book is GAAIIHHH. (especially on this board) But, It changed my life w/chrones and my fat ass. I had very severe flaring for about 4 yrs straight. I did all the drugs. (Yes, I was a puffy bastard from the Prednisone) Dr.s at one point said if I didnt get better I would be dead by my 30s. But, they didn't know what to do. I lost alot of weight from being sick all the time. But, all I lost was muscle. I was sill fat.

I tried every diet. (to help my crohns and my fat) I finally changed my diet to the diet that is in that book. (It was the same diet, but it was before that particular book came out) In about 3 months I lost about 40lbs of fat and gained about 15lbs of muscle by eating smaller balanced meals every few hrs. And, my crohns went into remision. I felt better than I had in yrs. That was 7 yrs ago. I have not had one flare since. Drs cant explain it. (they say it can't be the diet) I talked one other chroney a few yrs back into the diet, and he is 10 times better. My dad has severe crohns also. And, the last 2yrs he had to wear depends 24/7. Drs gave him all med. I finally conviced him to eat in this mannor. The last 6 months NO FLAIR UPS! (and no depends)

I'm no expert. But, I know how it changed our lives. I know it is not the only factor.

In fact, I am sure any of the BB's on this board will tell you to eat a balanced meal every few hrs. The meal replacements and bars make it easy. The book just makes it simple for simple people like me.

That is all I know.

 

[SoKlueles]

You seem to know what ur talking about. Ill look that stuff up, because Im serious about this i would like to lose 20 lbs and gain some muscle but im scared of all the drugs and thats why i came here
Have u heard of endocort? it is a new drug similar to prednisone but without all the side effects. It works also, it may not be as fast as prednisone but it works. I know before I took the remicade, i hated going places where there wasnt a bathroom close, but after 2 rounds of remicade,i could go anywhere,
before remicade, i had to prepare myself at least 2 days prior to what i was going to do by eating crackers only, and not eating at all on the day i was going to go out.
I know one time, i went to see Kenny Chesney(the dude in my avatar) in concert, and i didnt eat anything all day, and I got light headed before the night was over. Now, i can do whatever i want. I also keep lomotil close at hand in case I need it. That stuff is awesome. Its like my godsend. It also keeps me reassured thanks for the post awitty You guys rock

 

[awittyusername]

Crohnys stick together. Good Luck

 

[shortstack]

yeah thyroid meds work, but then if i re-think what im saying to you, i would tell you not to take that either. i say this because it does help alot with fat loss. but if you on no aas it can eat muscle mass better hard. look into a good diet. high protien to keep the muscle mass whilst taking off the fat. low carbs (not to low) and low- mod fats (good fats like nuts or fish oil caps or flax seed caps). dromk atleat 1/2 gallom - a gallon of water a day. this is a natural dieretic, you will be amazed.

condiments : low fat oil, vinegar dressing, crystal light, non fat pam spray, mrs dash seasonings. cinnimon, equal.

protiens: lean red meat, skinless chicken breast, fish (albacore, bass, cod, re snapper, orange roughy, tuna) egg whites

fiberous carbs:alafa sprouts, asparagus, beets, broccli, srussel sprouts, cabbage, carrots, cucumbers, egg plant, green beans, lettuce, mushrooms, okra, onions, radishes, spinich, zuuhini

complex carbs: pasta potatoes. rice (white/brown), whole weat flour, yams, sweet patatoe, squash, peas, red beans, pumpkin, pita bread, oatmeal, cream of rice, rice cakes, barley, whole grain breads.

fats:mct oils, flax seed caps fish oils and nuts.

morning cardio on empty stomach.

for fat loss do protien variety and fiberous carb variety and as little complex carb variety.

for muscle do protien complex carbs and some fib carbs.

fats always, but not as much for cutting.

ok im tired, lol.

hope this helps, oh and of course when your flaring dont eat certain foods on the list, and when your ok you can try new things. wait no nuts thats bad for crohns, i use flax and fish oils.

 

[awittyusername]

yeah thyroid meds work, but then if i re-think what im saying to you, i would tell you not to take that either. i say this because it does help alot with fat loss. but if you on no aas it can eat muscle mass better hard. look into a good diet. high protien to keep the muscle mass whilst taking off the fat. low carbs (not to low) and low- mod fats (good fats like nuts or fish oil caps or flax seed caps). dromk atleat 1/2 gallom - a gallon of water a day. this is a natural dieretic, you will be amazed.

condiments : low fat oil, vinegar dressing, crystal light, non fat pam spray, mrs dash seasonings. cinnimon, equal.

protiens: lean red meat, skinless chicken breast, fish (albacore, bass, cod, re snapper, orange roughy, tuna) egg whites

fiberous carbs:alafa sprouts, asparagus, beets, broccli, srussel sprouts, cabbage, carrots, cucumbers, egg plant, green beans, lettuce, mushrooms, okra, onions, radishes, spinich, zuuhini

complex carbs: pasta potatoes. rice (white/brown), whole weat flour, yams, sweet patatoe, squash, peas, red beans, pumpkin, pita bread, oatmeal, cream of rice, rice cakes, barley, whole grain breads.

fats:mct oils, flax seed caps fish oils and nuts.

morning cardio on empty stomach.

for fat loss do protien variety and fiberous carb variety and as little complex carb variety.

for muscle do protien complex carbs and some fib carbs.

fats always, but not as much for cutting.

ok im tired, lol.

hope this helps, oh and of course when your flaring dont eat certain foods on the list, and when your ok you can try new things. wait no nuts thats bad for crohns, i use flax and fish oils.

I agree 100%.

average day

7am egg whites (Pro)/ 1/2cup oat meal (carb)/veg (fiber)

10am Meal Replacement shake (myopelx lite)

1pm grilled skinless chicken (not KFC!!!)/small yam/veg

4pm meal replacement bar (detour bar)

7pm tuna fish mixed in 1/4 cup brown rice and veg

10pm Meal replacement shake

shakes and bars are very affordable at supplementwholesaler.com

 

[Jman88]

I have had Crohn's since 1999. I have used clen, ECA, thermorexin, and T3 (Cynomel) with no problems so far. Most recently clen/T3 about a month and a half ago. Now I am using 35mg ephedrine/caffeine/aspirin stack 3 times a day.

From reading the posts I can see your condition is worse than mine. I would highly recommend Green Tea. There have been a lot of studies on it's fat burning properties. I drink about 6 cups of green tea a day--you can buy it from the grocery store if you would like to take green tea pills cuz you don't have time to drink tea all day, www.teamliferesearch.com has good green tea capsules. It makes my stomach feel much better and has an overall soothing feeling to it.

I am in the second week of a Deca/EQ/Anavar cycle. I start the var in 2 weeks and am using Milk Thistle at 600mgs/day.

Hope this helps...

 

[Jman88]

Green Tea and Thermogenesis
The color (green, oolong, and black) of tea (Camellia sinensis) is determined by how it is manufactured. Green tea is prepared in such a way as to avoid the oxidation of the polyphenols; oolong tea is partially oxidized; black tea is largely oxidized.

The composition of tea is determined by soil conditions, the season the leaves are harvested, and the method used to process the tea. As a rough guide, green tea contains 2.9 to 4.2% caffeine, 0.02 to 0.04% theophylline, and 0.15 to 0.2% theobromine. Green tea also contains theanine, an important water-soluble amino acid that is converted to catechin by sun light. The greatest theanine content is found in the highest grade green tea, Gyokuro, which is cultivated without direct sunlight.

Green tea also contains a number of polyphenolic compounds. The catechin epigallocatechin gallate (EGCG) is the most abundant (> 50% of total tea catechins). It is also believed to be the most pharmacologically active. The other main catechins are epicatechin (EC), epicatechin gallate (ECG), and epigallocatechin (EGC). You can view the chemical structures in a new window.

In addition to stimulating thermogenesis, green tea has a variety of well documented health benefits. Green tea is an antioxidant that has a strong anticancer effects in skin, stomach, colon, etc. Green tea protects against free radicals and it is a logical addition to any supplement program designed to prevent heart disease. In fact, green tea has so many health benefits that this post will have to focus on its ability to stimulate thermogenesis.
Quick facts: The Dulloo et al. studies (1, 2) used an alcohol extract of green tea that is sold in capsule form under the name EXOLISE (Arkopharma Laboratories, Nice, France). This extract is standardized to 24.7% catechins (70% as EGCG), and 8.35% caffeine.

 

[shortstack]

how much of each are you taking, and what are your stats (height bf weight)?
from my reaserch, you might have some problems finishing that eq, but other than that all is good. are you gonna finish up with post cycle? when was the last time you flared, and how bad was it?
i hope you dont mind all the questions, but im very interested in crohns and aas, as i am looking to compete.
thanks

 

[awittyusername]

how much of each are you taking, and what are your stats (height bf weight)?
from my reaserch, you might have some problems finishing that eq, but other than that all is good. are you gonna finish up with post cycle? when was the last time you flared, and how bad was it?
i hope you dont mind all the questions, but im very interested in crohns and aas, as i am looking to compete.
thanks

Ditto. Except, I'm not looking to compete. I just want to look good enough to get a girl to pose on my ride like shortstack old avatar. LOL

 

[shortstack]

lol alot of people liked that avatar, ill find some more pics of gf's of mine on my ride, as soon as this girl thats with me now leaves.

 

[awittyusername]

as soon as this girl thats with me now leaves.

Does that mean when the girl at your house leaves? Or the girl you are going out w/leaves your sorry ass? or both??

Anyways, more pics w/vette.

When I had my vette digital cameras wern't even invented yet. I was oldschool. I had to use a polaroid for girls to do those sexy poses on my vette. (What a loser.)

OHHHH. Sorry we hijacked this serious thread

 

[shortstack]

lol ill post some good ones in a couple weeks.

 

[b1ewsw32]

you need to give this man some karma. he is just one cool cat! he is one of the only ones on the board willing to help really difficult questions, like the ones i had when i first came here.
big K for you bro!

Thanks for the K and the compliments SS. There's a lot of good bro's who contribute a lot of their time and efforts to help members with any and all types of questions; too many to mention. Often members exchange info via e-mail or PM's so you only get to see a portion of difficult questions being taken care of.
However I will take the credit for guiding shortstack in the right direction with my recomendations of HGH and anavar.Anavar effectiveness and safety profile was demonstrated with a study I provided involving a female taking oxandrolone for crohn's.

It's great to see diferent members,who have crohn's or similar conditions chiming in with their individual experiences and effective regimens(diet,training,AAS and ergogenics).
You guys and gals are doing great as I see everyone is assisting one another with updated info.
Keep up the awesome work!

P.S. Thanks for the greeen doll.

B32

 

[SoKlueles]

lol alot of people liked that avatar, ill find some more pics of gf's of mine on my ride, as soon as this girl thats with me now leaves.

grrrrrr dont hijack

 

[shortstack]

grrrrrr dont hijack

whatever, you know you wanna see some pics too, dont lie