T3-T4-GH Important

[NYBodyguard]

Anthony Roberts has been posting this link over and over http://www.anthony-roberts.com/th_gh.html

And yes it has some great information there but people here need to know that not everyone agrees with that and im not talking about myself because who am I but im talking about one of the most respected endocrinologists in the world.

Dr Thierry Hertoghe by far is the go to doctor when you need serious advice I have a copy of the book that pretty much every hormone doctor has and follows its called "The hormone handbook" it costs about $300usd and its written by a guy who pretty much is the authority on hormones, no he did not learn what he knows from message boards but rather by working with 1000's of patients and by working with 1000's of doctors.

Now to be honest I got the book as a gift from a doctor who does HRT and I really don’t think people here need the book as most of the information there is stuff you know already but in chapter three he goes back and forth about T3-T4 and the bottom line is you should take both (he also stresses the importance of starting low and moving up high as many here know).

I asked my friend whos a doctor who does HRT stuff and been doing it for years if this advice of doing both T3-T4 applies for bodybuilders too and without hesitation told me T3-T4 combo is a must for bodybuilding and the health of the brain and body.

He goes into details in the book on why I don’t have a digital copy but rather hard copy and im not in the mood of typing 10 pages worth of data.

Bottom line is not everyone agrees with the use T4 only idea and he has a page full of lists on why both are needed.

P.S. you can see info on the book and the guys credentials at http://www.intmedicalbooks.com/

 

[Anthony Roberts]

He goes into details in the book on why I don’t have a digital copy but rather hard copy and im not in the mood of typing 10 pages worth of data.

Bottom line is not everyone agrees with the use T4 only idea and he has a page full of lists on why both are needed.

Well....to intellegently discuss this kind of thing, we kind of need to know those reasons...

Also...remember, the person I wrote the article with is also a Doctor.

I can point to a study showing that T3 reduces the ability of GH to improve nitrogen synthesis, so ....the question is why would we want to reduce the anabolic effect of GH, and what benefit would offset reducing the anabolism of GH?

Can you post some of his reasons, because I'd like to see what he addresses. And we need to remember that literally dozens of people on the boards do it with T4 now, and virtually ALL of them say it's superior...so we need to explain that away before we can claim another method to be superior...

Remember...just saying "A doctor says so" isn't enough...a doctor co-wrote that article with me...and he agrees with it!

 

[pentatonic]

Well....to intellegently discuss this kind of thing, we kind of need to know those reasons...

I agree.... I'd love to hear this topic discussed in depth too.

 

[madhacker]

I agree with Anthony. I am , and many of my friends are on hGH for close to 2 years. Once we added T-4, everything changed. Nothing else really changed in our lives, so we contribute the success to the T-4

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[NYBodyguard]

here ya go sorry some words are cut off this is just part of many pages on this topic

 

[NYBodyguard]

I agree with Anthony. I am , and many of my friends are on hGH for close to 2 years. Once we added T-4, everything changed. Nothing else really changed in our lives, so we contribute the success to the T-4

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when you say added t4 do you mean to your t3 usage or to your gh ?

 

[Anthony Roberts]

here ya go sorry some words are cut off this is just part of many pages on this topic

See...that's kind of what I thought though..it doesn't address the reasons that I talk about in my article. Basically, what we're talking about here is doing T4 + GH for an improved anabolic response...that's not (at all) what is being addressed in the book you're referencing. It's apples/oranges.

And...I think, in the end, the proof is in user feedback...

 

[madhacker]

when you say added t4 do you mean to your t3 usage or to your gh ?

I have tried t-3 with hgh and did not get any good results. I added t-4 with hgh and got great results. To be honest, everyone I have recommended it to has achieved great results.

Also, your article addresses how t-4 is superior to t-3, but does not address anything about the pharmacological/physiological synnergy when t-4 is taken with hgh. Read the article I posted by Anthony and maybe then you will understand the biochemistry behind the reasons.

 

[pentatonic]

I've taken T3 with GH and i'm currently running them together and having good results as far as fat loss goes, so it does help with fat loss. I'm getting ready to change over to the T4, just because of what I have heard from experienced users about the T4 working so well with HGH, then I read this article from AR and some Doc which explains things better.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

I've taken T3 with GH and i'm currently running them together and having good results as far as fat loss goes, so it does help with fat loss. I'm getting ready to change over to the T4, just because of what I have heard from experienced users about the T4 working so well with HGH, then I read this article from AR and some Doc which explains things better.

That's the thing that people almost always mix up..it definately works (GH + T3) for that...the problem is that it will be less anabolic that way...with T4, you get the fat loss as well as a pronounced (not diminished) anabolic effect.

 

[pentatonic]

That's the thing that people almost always mix up..it definately works (GH + T3) for that...the problem is that it will be less anabolic that way...with T4, you get the fat loss as well as a pronounced (not diminished) anabolic effect.

So what's your take on dosages of T4 or people you've been around? I was planning on using 100mcg/day for a few months.

 

[NYBodyguard]

See...that's kind of what I thought though..it doesn't address the reasons that I talk about in my article. Basically, what we're talking about here is doing T4 + GH for an improved anabolic response...that's not (at all) what is being addressed in the book you're referencing. It's apples/oranges.

And...I think, in the end, the proof is in user feedback...

lets see the book is mostly about gh + t3 t4 and test, hes the president of the largest anti aging org. thats what he does studies gh and other hormones so I have 2 endocrinologists that get more feedback from doctors and paitents then this whole industry combined stressing to use t3+t4 with gh,personally id trust them over anyone else, this is their life and blood for decades.

my point of this thread is to tell people that very serious doctors who study this will always give paitents t3+t4 with gh.

 

[madhacker]

So what's your take on dosages of T4 or people you've been around? I was planning on using 100mcg/day for a few months.

The optimal dosage is determined by body temperature.

 

[pentatonic]

The optimal dosage is determined by body temperature.

You care to explain that?

 

[jmead]

bump for explanation on dosages of t4..

 

[Anthony Roberts]

my point of this thread is to tell people that very serious doctors who study this will always give paitents t3+t4 with gh.

To win bodybuilding contests? You're confusing a doctor who prescribes drugs to replace a deficiency with someone who is talking about them for performance enhancement. Ask your doctors how much Tren you should take, while you're in precontest phase...or how much masteron...

Find out what kinds of results their patients are getting (LBM gain and fat loss) from IGF and MGF.

See my point?

lets see the book is mostly about gh + t3 t4 and test, hes the president of the largest anti aging org. thats what he does studies gh and other hormones so I have 2 endocrinologists that get more feedback from doctors and paitents then this whole industry combined stressing to use t3+t4 with gh,personally id trust them over anyone else, this is their life and blood for decades.

Nothing in the book (I bet) is about winning athletic events or sporting contests. They run an anti-aging organization...if you want anti-aging info, they're probably very good. I don't see many people calling them up for contest prep or help with sports doping.

Just because we talk about the same drugs doesn't mean they know how to use the drugs to accomplish what I know how to use them to accomplish. In other words, I wouldn't trust a house painter to paint me a portrait...even though they work with paint, and it's their life, etc...

As for them getting feedback...from who? Bodybuilders? Athletes? Or anti-aging geeks?

bump for explanation on dosages of t4..

When people are just using it to enhance GH, most of them start at 50-100mcg and go up to a max of around 200, based on results.

 

[NYBodyguard]

you really have no clue now do you? you did no research on the book no research on what hes about no nothing but you have a million conclusions.

Read up on him his speech at the A4M over an hour was about bodybuilding, where you there at the a4m conference I didn’t think so.

The doctor im talking about is the guy who got busted with his wife over helping victor martinez here in NY he works with Thierry Hertoghe, at the show they did a Q&A together.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

you really have no clue now do you? you did no research on the book no research on what hes about no nothing but you have a million conclusions.

Read up on him his speech at the A4M over an hour was about bodybuilding, where you there at the a4m conference I didn’t think so.

The doctor im talking about is the guy who got busted with his wife over helping victor martinez here in NY he works with Thierry Hertoghe, at the show they did a Q&A together.

No...I really don't keep up with Anti-Aging doctors. The research on the book you are talking about was (I assumed) in the link you provided. It says nothing about being an expert in performance enhancement, bodybuilding, hypertrophy training, or sports specific training. I wouldn't go to an anti-aging conference to hear about training...that' skind of silly.

Why would you attack me for not knowing a guy's credentials when you said "Here are his credentials" and it contained none of the things you are attacking me for not knowing about him?

I basically have the same thoughts on Ant-Aging docs as Duchaine did, to be honest. Most of them aren't useful to me in my line of work.

 

[al_ny]

No...I really don't keep up with Anti-Aging doctors. The research on the book you are talking about was (I assumed) in the link you provided. It says nothing about being an expert in performance enhancement, bodybuilding, hypertrophy training, or sports specific training. I wouldn't go to an anti-aging conference to hear about training...that' skind of silly.

Why would you attack me for not knowing a guy's credentials when you said "Here are his credentials" and it contained none of the things you are attacking me for not knowing about him?

I basically have the same thoughts on Ant-Aging docs as Duchaine did, to be honest. Most of them aren't useful to me in my line of work.

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