T-Bol in PCT

[STTM]

Okay, so think about this..

TBol has no effect on Estrogen or Progesterone receptors, and it has no Androgenic activity, so it's effect on the Androgen receptor is very minimal. Therefor, TBol does not cause full shutdown of the HPTA, but may cause a little bit of suppression. Much like what is said about compounds like Primo or EQ, because they have little effect on certain receptors.

So because of this, why not use a low dose of TBol in PCT, taken first thing in the AM, like many do with DBol. Or use a low dose of it as a bridge, directly after PCT like some do with Primo?

I already know there will be 2 kinds of people that will chime in with this. First, the person that will just say TBol is a steroid and can't be used in PCT. Then second, the person that will look at the science and understand that it may be possible.

Think about it.

 

[RickRock13]

The only steroid that I think may have some validity in PCT in my opinion is Proviron. Anything else is going to shut you down on some level. It's just a risk I personally wouldn't take when trying to recovery, when there's better options in PCT like Ostarine

 

[Elvia1023]

The only steroid that I think may have some validity in PCT in my opinion is Proviron. Anything else is going to shut you down on some level. It's just a risk I personally wouldn't take when trying to recovery, when there's better options in PCT like Ostarine

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I would never use tbol during pct if I cycled. I wouldn't use dbol or avar like you hear about either. I understand the science why guys come up with these ideas but they are 100% wrong imo. The guys who bridge between cycles with AAS orals... well that's stupid imo from a health standpoint. If guys are gonna bridge they might as well just blast and cruise and use test between cycles. Orals do suppress you (some not by much) but it is there an d I think using them when you are trying to recover is silly. You are gonna come off anyway so all a bit pointless imo... you would be better just extending your cycle.

I am going off topic a bit here but I think all of these ideas come about from guys wanting to maintain as much as possible and possibly having unrealistic expectations. Fact is if you cycle responsibly there is only so far you can go. No one is gonna be a massive ripped freak all the time if they are off gear most of the year. I know guys who cycle 6 months off and on. You will always lose gains when you are off. Guys off periods get shorter and shorter because of this. It's all about how much you are willing to risk. Cycling will always be x paces forward and x paces back. Good pct's and being consistent with your diet and training will help significantly. But anyone knows when you are on 50mg tren a per day (or anything else) when you stop you won't have the same look.

Don't get me wrong I am on 150mg test per week now and holding well and getting leaner so it's not just about drugs. But trust me most of the guys who look incredible basically don't come off ever... if they do it's not for long periods. I know a lot of freaks and not a single one of them cycles. I know you do fairly high doses and I couldn't imagine doing all that then nothing again and again.

 

[Nelson Montana]

TBol has no androgenic activity? Where the fuck did you hear that? Because wherever it was...stop.

 

[STTM]

I thought the point of PCT was to keep as many gains as possible?

TBol could be compared to Ostarine in a lot of ways.

Nelson, because TBol is purely anabolic, and has very little effect on the Androgen receptor.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I thought the point of PCT was to keep as many gains as possible?

TBol could be compared to Ostarine in a lot of ways.

Nelson, because TBol is purely anabolic, and has very little effect on the Androgen receptor.

A: No, PCT is about recovering natural hormonal balance. Your statement is proof that the concept has been completely misunderstood as of late and it's why so many guys will be having (and are having) problems.

And you are wrong about Tbol having little effect on androgen receptors, but I'm sure if you look hard enough you'll find someone to confirm the misconception.

 

[STTM]

Nelson, I know what the goal of PCT is supposed to be. I was being sarcastic with that comment. This is merely just a thread to open up discussion and get different thoughts going. Nothing wrong with that.

And as far as me being wrong, I'd have to disagree. TBol is a very weak androgen, so it's effect on the androgen receptor is weak. Because it has no effect on the estrogen or progesterone receptor, and minor effect on the androgen receptor it does not cause shutdown, but will cause a bit of suppression. So if you run a low enough dosage, you could possibly have no detrimental effect on the HPTA. This is simply in theory though, with some science that back it up. And you are right, depending on what side of the argument you are on, you can always find something to support your idea, or go against the opposition.

I have been trying to find some blood work from people that have run a TBol only cycle, and how it effects LH and FSH.. but the only thing I can really find is liver values and then total test.

I am not saying that a person should go ahead and run TBol in PCT, or as a bridge afterwards, but the idea should be open to discussion.

 

[RickRock13]

I'd be curious to the booods from a Tbol cycle as well, but I'd be willing to bet LH would be at or near zero, confirming its suppression of the HPTA

 

[RickRock13]

Nelson, I know what the goal of PCT is supposed to be. I was being sarcastic with that comment. This is merely just a thread to open up discussion and get different thoughts going. Nothing wrong with that.

And as far as me being wrong, I'd have to disagree. TBol is a very weak androgen, so it's effect on the androgen receptor is weak. Because it has no effect on the estrogen or progesterone receptor, and minor effect on the androgen receptor it does not cause shutdown, but will cause a bit of suppression. So if you run a low enough dosage, you could possibly have no detrimental effect on the HPTA. This is simply in theory though, with some science that back it up. And you are right, depending on what side of the argument you are on, you can always find something to support your idea, or go against the opposition.

I have been trying to find some blood work from people that have run a TBol only cycle, and how it effects LH and FSH.. but the only thing I can really find is liver values and then total test.

I am not saying that a person should go ahead and run TBol in PCT, or as a bridge afterwards, but the idea should be open to discussion.

I'm very curious on what bloods would look like as well, but I'd be willing to bet that LH would be at or near zero, confirming suppression of the HPTA

 

[STTM]

I'm very curious on what bloods would look like as well, but I'd be willing to bet that LH would be at or near zero, confirming suppression of the HPTA

The LH and FSH would be a good start to determine to what extent it effect the HPTA. I bet that they would be lower a bit lower, but not near 0. With the bloodwork, you would have to take into consideration that they would be running 3-4x's the dosage that would be used in PCT.

I think the only thing that is really working against TBol in this case is it's 14 hours half life. So the principal of dosing it in the AM like some do with DBol, and it not effecting Test production wouldn't work the same.

Whether you agree or disagree, people have been using low dosed orals in PCT, or cruising on them or something like Primo after cycle for quite some time. And there is plenty of bloodwork and science out there to prove it's effectiveness.