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SofaGeorge

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Nude photos of Nelson Montana...!

Actually not... I just wanted to make sure everybody read this post.

I went to the doctor yesterday after my girlfriend freaked when she saw my ankles swelling. The doc took my BP and it was 150 over 110. He immediately put me on a diuretic to lower BP... and I go back in 3 weeks to look at getting put on BP medication.

My question is this:

I've never had high BP in my life. Can anybody throw a theory on what would cause a sudden BP rise like this?
 
Whats the longest you've been on outside of this 18 month stint your on right now?
Also BP rises with age in many cases. About the sudden rise Im not too sure, maybe its been up for awhile and youve had no symptons until now.
 
HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex said:
Aren't you on a really heavy cycle?Taking any types of stimulants?

I had a strong feeling it was your BP.
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I've been on for a year and 8 months. I just finished a section where I was taking:

whinny 100 ED for the last 12 weeks
nandrolone phenylpropionate 100 mg EOD for the last 8 weeks
test propionate 100 mg EOD for the last 8 weeks
test phenylpropionate 100 EOD for the last 8 weeks

Now I am taking:

test propionate 100 mg EOD
test phenylpropionate 100 EOD
Nandrolone decanoate 400 mg wk

I'm off all supps now except r-ala and protein shakes.
 
psychedout said:
Just curious, does your doc know about your AAS useage??
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"Any anti-E's? - Huck

First question, YES... only an idiot lies to their doctor. He was very cool... really knew his AAS info... and most impressively he was familiar with BLACK LABEL. I never would have anticipated meeting a doc who had an AAS knowledge base that included UG labs.

Second question, no, I stopped using anti-E's about a year ago.
 
water and sodium retention and cns stimulation. you wouldn't expect the former with all of the fast acting gear but there still will be some. i'm more inclined to think the latter. this can happen in the same way that beta2 agonists can raise bp. i'd drop the deca and all phenylprop esters to start with. i only say that because i used nand. phenylprop and my bp reacted almost immediately. good luck.
 
SofaGeorge said:


"Any anti-E's? - Huck

First question, YES... only an idiot lies to their doctor. He was very cool... really knew his AAS info... and most impressively he was familiar with BLACK LABEL. I never would have anticipated meeting a doc who had an AAS knowledge base that included UG labs.

Second question, no, I stopped using anti-E's about a year ago.
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You're doc was familiar with Black Label? That's funny, does he workout?
Does he prescribe IP products?
 
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Could be a few things.Elevated aldosterone,estrogen,or vasopressin release.Either way,your doc is doing the right thing by clearing the excess fluid from your system.It will be interesting to see if it stays that way or if you will need further therapy for the above aforementioned mechanisms.Good luck brother,and stay healthy.
 
Ask your doc if Proline really is painless.
 
Nude photos of Nelson Montana could raise blood pressure suddenly.
 
As a Cardiac Perfusionist and Vascular Specialist, I would say he did the right thing. You want to get swelling of the feet with a diuretic. Then I generally have patients keep track of BP for a few weeks before medication. Anyone, with a little anxiety, could have a high reading one time. But with that said, you may have a family history of it such as maternal or paternal hypertension. In that case, you could develop Hypertension and he would be right in getting you started on meds. Do you have any swelling in your fingers?

Geoff
Board Certified Vascular Specialist
Cardiac Perfusionist
 
Up test dosage to 2000mg a week and take 15000iu of Vitamin E.

J/K -- good to know that you are on a track to get that BP down. :)

C-ditty
 
What's the weather like where youi live? I don't know if there is a connection between high blood pressure and high summer heat but it might be worth lookin into.

Also - any history of high blood pressure in your family?

Just some ideas to ponder.
 
genarr4 said:

You're doc was familiar with Black Label? That's funny, does he workout?
Does he prescribe IP products?
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We talked about IP... Black Label and a few others. I didn't get the feeling he thought too highly of IP.

He looked like he went to the gym... but didn't juice.

He said he has had a number of clients who were bodybuilders... he also knew a lot of the guys from the '60s and '70s that I knew like Vic Tanny...and he got much of his education through them and the younger guys for the Mexican Vet Labs and UG labs. He was also an older guy... so he seemed to have been watching the game for many years.

It was basically a point blank shock that he knew this stuff so well. I could definitely tell he wasn't BS'ing me.

He also quizzed me on how I would restart the nuggies if I got off. I told him HCG and nolvadex... and got the nod of approval.
 
geoffgarst said:
Do you have any swelling in your fingers?

Geoff
Board Certified Vascular Specialist
Cardiac Perfusionist
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Interesting question. I think I do. My girlfriend and the doc didn't think I did.

I had read about swelling in the hands on the last thread... so that probably predisposed me to thinking I may have it.
 
been on for a year and 8 months. I just finished a section where I was taking:

whinny 100 ED for the last 12 weeks
nandrolone phenylpropionate 100 mg EOD for the last 8 weeks
test propionate 100 mg EOD for the last 8 weeks
test phenylpropionate 100 EOD for the last 8 weeks

Now I am taking:

test propionate 100 mg EOD
test phenylpropionate 100 EOD
Nandrolone decanoate 400 mg wk

I'm off all supps now except r-ala and protein shakes.
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And your question is why do I have high BP? And No Aromasin?

It should come as no surprise to anyone at your age and using that much AS that they would have high blood pressure. If you want to keep it down while using AS like you do I suggest you invest a little money in Aromasin.
 
water retention = high bp my bp went up where I could notice it on my very first cyc. 250mg week test, no anti e, I could tell cuz I would get flushed and headaches very easy.
 
WHEW!

Anyway, this reminds me of the story of the farmer who works his horse plowing the fields day and nght and then one day the horse just drops dead. The farmer says; "Well, THAT never happened before."

The point is, you've been hitting it hard for a long time and you're older than ever before. Sometimes these symptoms just come on. I had two healthy legs and one day my knee hurt. I got it checked out and it turns out I had arthritis, a torn memiscus and a shredded ACL cartlidge. Within a week I was walking with a limp. After 35, the bad shit comes on quick.

Obviously you have to back off on the gear. (Deca no more!) Take Bromalein, boswellin, potassium, dandelion, and uvi ursi to reduce swelling and water retention. Do no heavy weight work (under 10 reps) or static contraction exercise. Walk and drink as much water as much as possible. Stay in touch with your doc, and don't worry about it.

I'd also suggest some Chyrsin, calcium d glucarate and piperine. Some proviron will help with the lower androgen level you'll have to keep for a while.

HCG increases water retention.

Nolva will likley do nothing.

Good additional supps are hawthorn, Co Q 10, Primrose oil taurine and garlic.

Obviously, any and all stimulents are out.

I bet your pressure will be considerably lower in a week.

Feel better bro.
 
Good advice Nelson - that covered everything (and more!) than I would have suggested about natural diuretics and BP control.

DrG
 
Nelson Montana said:
Do no heavy weight work (under 10 reps) or static contraction exercise.
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EXCELLENT advice. the heart valves, as well as the entire CV system, is very vulnerable and under excessive strain while bp is high. low-rep, high intensity training will put you in danger of damaging a valve or something equally as bad.
 
SofaGeorge, it isn't any wonder you know your stuff...this is the first insight I've had into your actual basis on your information...it's good to know someone who is on long and hard. Do you take time off? then hit another cycle? Come to think of it, I'll research your posts.
 
Not to be a jerk but you are a mod and on as for 8 months and do not know why your bp is high?
 
stryker1992 said:
Not to be a jerk but you are a mod and on as for 8 months and do not know why your bp is high?
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He isn't a mod ...

Have to agree though, with a cycle like that I would expect going and getting checked up every 4-6weeks.

... and your bp? Probably should check it every week while on, as I always have.

-sk
 
stryker1992 said:
Not to be a jerk but you are a mod and on as for 8 months and do not know why your bp is high?
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I've been juicing for 20 years without my BP ever budging an inch before. I used to test far more often than I do now.

I truthfully don't think juice has anything to do with it now... either.
 
SofaGeorge said:

I've been juicing for 20 years without my BP ever budging an inch before.
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Anyway, this reminds me of the story of the farmer who works his horse plowing the fields day and nght and then one day the horse just drops dead. The farmer says; 'Well, THAT never happened before."
 
JibbyJabba said:


Anyway, this reminds me of the story of the farmer who works his horse plowing the fields day and nght and then one day the horse just drops dead. The farmer says; 'Well, THAT never happened before."
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Which is exactly the right quote. Because it never happened in 20 years... I stopped paying attention to it.
 
SofaGeorge said:


Which is exactly the right quote. Because it never happened in 20 years... I stopped paying attention to it.
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Right... but you said you "don't think juice has anything to do with it."

Just because juice didn't effect your BP before, doesn't mean it's not effecting it now...
 
JibbyJabba said:


Right... but you said you "don't think juice has anything to do with it."

Just because juice didn't effect your BP before, doesn't mean it's not effecting it now...
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Point taken... but I'm still searching for outside causes for this. Even if juice were to raise my BP... I wouldn't expect this much this fast. Something just doesn't ring right about the whole way this came one.

Regardless... I'm going to go work chest then box three rounds. I'll let you all know if it kills me.
 
SofaGeorge said:


Point taken... but I'm still searching for outside causes for this. Even if juice were to raise my BP... I wouldn't expect this much this fast. Something just doesn't ring right about the whole way this came one.

Regardless... I'm going to go work chest then box three rounds. I'll let you all know if it kills me.
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I just hope everything turns out to be OK...
 
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