Swolecats cheat day....

[Addicted]

how bad do you cheat?

I have a friend a lot younger than me that's had a lot of success by more than quadrupling his calories on that day. I'm a bit older (38) and don't wanna have a freakin heart attack or something...

I'm wondering if 5 or 6,000 calories on that day is enough to accomplish what it's supposed to.

 

[~SC~]

Dependent upon what my current goal is, a cheat day can be all an out fest of "off-limit" foods, or it can be used primarily as a clean carb-load day to stimulate the metabolism, fill out, and replinish glycogen stores. 4 weeks out from a show, no more junk food cheat days, and two weeks out, no more carb up cheat days.

You don't have to go nuts on your cheat day to stimulate your metabolism, which is the primary goal of a cheat day by many. Some also use this as a day to "let go" and throw caution to the wind for mental/relaxation reasons as well. Only you can decide where you lie in your quest for the perfect cheat day.

~SC~

 

[Addicted]

Dependent upon what my current goal is, a cheat day can be all an out fest of "off-limit" foods, or it can be used primarily as a clean carb-load day to stimulate the metabolism, fill out, and replinish glycogen stores. 4 weeks out from a show, no more junk food cheat days, and two weeks out, no more carb up cheat days.

You don't have to go nuts on your cheat day to stimulate your metabolism, which is the primary goal of a cheat day by many. Some also use this as a day to "let go" and throw caution to the wind for mental/relaxation reasons as well. Only you can decide where you lie in your quest for the perfect cheat day.

~SC~

thanks for the info sc...I was one of your early clients from this board, turned jg1 onto your diet a while back.

 

[jaymis]

when i did this diet, i had good results when i did an all out cheat day, To me,and i do not compete, just try to stay fit, the only thing i disliked about cheat day was that i felt like shit after i would cheat so i cut it to just cheating at night one night a week. if i cheated all day i felt like crap and carried more water the next couple of days, but by the next week it went away, so i say if you want to all out cheat go ahead just expect to feel like shit all day

 

[~SC~]

thanks for the info sc...I was one of your early clients from this board, turned jg1 onto your diet a while back.

Good deal!

JG is now one of my better buddies!

~SC~

 

[~SC~]

when i did this diet, i had good results when i did an all out cheat day, To me,and i do not compete, just try to stay fit, the only thing i disliked about cheat day was that i felt like shit after i would cheat so i cut it to just cheating at night one night a week. if i cheated all day i felt like crap and carried more water the next couple of days, but by the next week it went away, so i say if you want to all out cheat go ahead just expect to feel like shit all day

Agreed! When I was in Vegas cheating for 3-4 days, I felt horrible.

Thank goodness there was alcohol so I could forget how bad I felt, LMFAO!!



~SC~

 

[BigD83]

when i cheat, i eat around 5-6000 cals, lately i've been cheating alot, messed up my diet and brought a stop to my cutting process. i cheated 4 days out of a week. yikes. never do it again, save for sunday and cheat on the last meal.

 

[jaymis]

swole, what do you think about this strategy, when i cheat , i like to cheat for a meal one night a week, lets say saturday night, have mexican, drink coronas, margaritas. When i wake up sunday i was thinking about maybe have a mini cheat breakfast, bagel, maybe muffin something to eat you know after a night of a couple drinks( i know drinking is not the smartest thing to to, just trying to live a little). then go right back to program until next saturday night.

 

[~SC~]

Only drawback there is having all that in the evening RIGHT before bed, as opposed to earlier in the day. That's why I like to confine it to one day, and all before 6 p.m.

~SC~

 

[MrMakaveli]

I basically used to eat whatever I wanted but I've begun cleaning it up (as I got lower and things got tougher). The whole "how much to cheat" thing is somthing that's gonna very by person depending on phenotype and metabolic responses to insulin.

Just have fun on your cheat day and dont worry about it

 

[excelin]

do you guys usually always have one cheat day a week? Since I have been cutting I usually eat whatever on sundays, I just make sure to get enough protein. Today was the first sunday in a while I didnt cheat. Just wanted to see if I would see any difference. Im thinking with a lower carb diet I should prob have a cheat day in there. Maybe every other sun. any opinions?

Mike

 

[MrMakaveli]

do you guys usually always have one cheat day a week? Since I have been cutting I usually eat whatever on sundays, I just make sure to get enough protein. Today was the first sunday in a while I didnt cheat. Just wanted to see if I would see any difference. Im thinking with a lower carb diet I should prob have a cheat day in there. Maybe every other sun. any opinions?

Mike

Yeah have one. Leptin, thyroid, etc, etc all drop with prolonged dieting w/o overfeeding which will do more harm than good.

 

[JKurz1]

Yeah have one. Leptin, thyroid, etc, etc all drop with prolonged dieting w/o overfeeding which will do more harm than good.

Bro- I don't know....I just don't buy into that theory........I haven't had a cheat days in many months, and my gains continue...........who knows, maybe it's just me, but I just felt like such ass after a cheat day that it wasnt worth it.............

 

[MrMakaveli]

Bro- I don't know....I just don't buy into that theory........I haven't had a cheat days in many months, and my gains continue...........who knows, maybe it's just me, but I just felt like such ass after a cheat day that it wasnt worth it.............

Yeah it's gonna very depending on if your sensitive to leptin and your set-point. For a long time I was never below 16% so my set-point is fairly high meaning leptin levels drop quickly. If you've always been fairly lean then re-feeds probably wont do you much good other than if you have trouble restricting food intake for a long time.

I def understand feeling like an ass after a cheat day. I've used just about every GDA available at some point and always ended up bloated or feeling like shit. Good luck with the continuing progress bro

 

[easy]

My cheat atleast has to have a dozen krispy kremes in it somwhere during the day.

 

[Fantômas]

My cheat atleast has to have a dozen krispy kremes in it somwhere during the day.

Thinking about a box of krispy kreme gives me a headache...

 

[JKurz1]

My cheat atleast has to have a dozen krispy kremes in it somwhere during the day.

Makes absolutely no sense............

 

[~SC~]

Why not, it totally works for HIM, so for HIM it makes complete sense. I've personally witnessed this gentleman undergo a total body composition change, and yes that includes this kind of food on the scheduled cheat day. Just because you choose not to do it, does not mean it "makes absolutely no sense". You ask daily for a ton of advice and have a lot of questions on this board, so I'm very unclear as to how you can tell someone else that what works for him makes no sense.


~SC~

 

[JKurz1]

Why not, it totally works for HIM, so for HIM it makes complete sense. I've personally witnessed this gentleman undergo a total body composition change, and yes that includes this kind of food on the scheduled cheat day. Just because you choose not to do it, does not mean it "makes absolutely no sense". You ask daily for a ton of advice and have a lot of questions on this board, so I'm very unclear as to how you can tell someone else that what works for him makes no sense.


~SC~

OH SC - settle down...........OK, I was thinking out loud........For me, it makes no sense........my mistake........he's a big boy.......he can speak up if I bothered him............

 

[~SC~]

He's not around, so I spoke up.

Why tell me to settle down when all I did was ask you a valid question?

Exactly, for you it makes no sense, but you aren't him.

Don't be so defensive, lower your dosages and up your carbs.

~SC~

 

[JKurz1]

Very original response SC - You didnt ask a valid..........you critisized me for speaking out loud.........I know damn well, that if anyone knocks off a dozen KKs, AND their body is not accustomed to this torture, they will feel 300X worse than those donuts could ever taste.........I'm all up for a cheat day.....have a donut....have some cake.....have people read that it's cool to pound a dozen donuts and they will give it a shot.........Hey, It makes NO SENSE!


LOL.........I'm not spatting with you bro - just want to express my opoinion..........NEVER did I slam him or anyone else on this board....sometimes a comment like that is what it take for someone to realize there are alternative methods.........

 

[Themachine01]

Whether it is allegedly helping with the thyroid or not, no diet should in 12 KK donuts, sorry, 1 or 2 is fine on a cheat day. If your dieting, then diet, have a cheat meal or day, you know in the back of your head that an entire cheat day of donuts and pizza is not going to help, sorry but its not.

 

[JKurz1]

Whether it is allegedly helping with the thyroid or not, no diet should in 12 KK donuts, sorry, 1 or 2 is fine on a cheat day. If your dieting, then diet, have a cheat meal or day, you know in the back of your head that an entire cheat day of donuts and pizza is not going to help, sorry but its not.

hmmmm...........guess i'm not crazy.........

 

[~SC~]

Nice co-signer you got there!

As I've said B 4 "bruthas", to each his own.

Me personally, I CAN eat that in one day and suffer no ill effects.

I may not eat 12 donuts, but I'll eat 24 donuts worth (equivalent amount of pure shit) of other foods on my free day. The other 6 days of the week, I'm handlin' business in another state of mind. I can't be broken for 6 days, and the only person who can break me is myself on that 7th day. Once I'm free on the 7th day, may the festivities begin.

However, if you can't do that and get away with it, bummer, but you'd have your point.

~SC~

 

[easy]

Just to let everyone know..... 12 kk's is just the start of my debauchry on my cheat days. They also usually include a large buffalo chicken pizza, and a full rack of ribs. This isn't standard practice for Swole's diets and I don't think he condones my gluttony but he understands that I'm in it for a marathon and not a sprint. I also started at 251lbs >20% bf. I'm rocking 220lbs at around 11% in a little over 3 months. I'm handling mine and swole is orchestrating the master plan. For those of ya'll that hate, I can send ya picks of my fat ass at 251 for ya to kiss.

 

[Themachine01]

well, I guess all I can say is enjoy your donuts boys. It also depends on your body type though, I train with guys that have such a fast metabolism that they could probably get away with eating a couple donuts a day while cutting up and still get down in the lower single digit BF%. All I know is, with my bodytype, I have cut up using full blown cheat days once a week, and started last year cutting up without them and it made a huge difference. Mentally I dont have a problem staying with a strict diet 7 days a week, the cheat days actually fuck me up, I stay more focused without them, the cravings go away. But hey, if you cant stay strict 7 days per week, then I guess you cant stay strict 7 days per week. Enjoy your donuts.

 

[easy]

My thought is I'm bustin ass 6 days a week. 12hrs of eatin shit a week isn't gonna set me back. It hasn't yet anyway.

 

[JKurz1]

Nice co-signer you got there!

As I've said B 4 "bruthas", to each his own.

Me personally, I CAN eat that in one day and suffer no ill effects.

I may not eat 12 donuts, but I'll eat 24 donuts worth (equivalent amount of pure shit) of other foods on my free day. The other 6 days of the week, I'm handlin' business in another state of mind. I can't be broken for 6 days, and the only person who can break me is myself on that 7th day. Once I'm free on the 7th day, may the festivities begin.

However, if you can't do that and get away with it, bummer, but you'd have your point.

~SC~

Co-signer??? Please........just another bro speaking the truth.......hey, I could EAILY get away with cheating once a meal or even a full cheat day....but it's not worth it, mentally wise. Tell me how great you feel after a dozen KKs and all that pizza or whatever? Like shit? That's what I figured. I would MUCH rather eat a couple footlong chicken breast subs, or 3-4 cups of oatmeal with splenda, or a few detour bars, if I wanted to cheat..........but, donuts are complete trash and really serve no purpose. Sweet tooth? Pound some fat free pudding..........there are so many ways to satisfy that cravings, that I just don't see the point in taking 2 steps forward (6 days clean) and 1 step back.........when a nutrional cheat can sometimes put you 1/2 step forward...........

 

[~SC~]

Again, as stated like 1 million times, it's what YOU as an individual can get away with. There really is no "right" or "wrong" when it comes to this type of thing.

Dead issue as far as I'm concerned.

~SC~

 

[JKurz1]

Absolutely correct SC - It was a dead issue before you posted.............

Lose the donuts.............

 

[~SC~]

Absolutely correct SC - It was a dead issue before you posted.............

Lose the donuts.............

Are you still yappin'? The only thing dead is the value of your posts.

Geez, you're worse than my 5 year old, bickering to always have the last say.

Poor kid!



~SC~

 

[JKurz1]

Great way to attract business.........insult me when never once did I insult you........shows your true colors SC - not very business savy...........I pray people ask me about your services...........

 

[~SC~]

<----Re: your comment about business savy, evidence would be here. E-mail for entire write-up. That should put to rest those non-sense statements.
Check that, there are two different write ups.

My man:

Anyone with half of a brain is going to read this thread and see that I'm anything but insulting. You telling me it was "dead before I posted" is insulting my "brutha", as you are simply saying that what I said is of NO value. So, I essentially said the same thing back to you. (this is the old rubber glue, won't stick to me but sticks to you, etc.) Do don't call the kettle black.

I personally don't care if you think people will look at me a certain way, because the simple fact is that they won't. That is what YOU think, and that is not the norm. One only need to read the threads on this board and everywhere else (like A.R.) and realize I've been around for 3 years, very congenial, very successful, etc. This thread alone has a plethora of such things, and you're negativity is the only "bad" side that still exists. What you say about me will in no way/shape/form affect what I will continue to do. I understand why you would never recommend me to anyone, it's not because of my services because that aspect is PLATINUM (note avatar on left). It's because you have some kind of "beef" with me for one reason or another. Fine, I don't really care bro.

It all boils down to me simply saying some can get away w/crazy cheat days. I do understand that some cannot, yes, that's a given. Nor did I endorse this type of thing for just "anybody", but only for a person who I've assisted that I know it works for. Why you were so hell bent on just having to win on the 12 donuts is a bad thing issue, I've no idea.

If it makes you feel better to hear me say, "yeah, that's not the norm for sure" would that lower your blood pressure? I really don't see the point of bantering like this, but wanted you to know that any negative things you may have to say about me are no different than all of those things that are currently said by other people as well. Fact is, that will always happen, yes, and it doesn't affect what I do to any significant degree.

I'm done, be well.

~SC~

 

[JKurz1]

No, I said it was dead before you had to chime in again...........I'm deleting this thread, becuase I don't want to waste the time anymore responding to your "last word".........

You sure spent a long time writing that last post for someone who doesnt care.....

AND, if you do read te other posts, the amount of people that agree with me far outweigh the amount of people you have brainwashed with your "pay me for a diet" scheme.............

I'd GLADLY help out ANYONE looking for some nutrional and/or training advice free of charge.....that's because seeing them post their results is more satisfying to me that any amount of money.............

 

[bigdho]

I'd GLADLY help out ANYONE looking for some nutrional and/or training advice free of charge.....that's because seeing them post their results is more satisfying to me that any amount of money.............

Bro.........dont go down that road,you will loose.

 

[jaymis]

this thread is gay

 

[~SC~]

I can be found at Anabolic Review 6 hours per day giving free diet advice.

That's my second home apart from my own website location.

However, I have a career, so I do have a job as a trainer, thank you. Don't know what you do for a living, but I love what I do. Hence me getting paid, because that's simply what I do. Love how you ignored my entire business savy/success above too, very selective in response. If you would have understood that, your "free advice" comment you would then qualify as a non-sequitor, aka, "doesn't have a thing to do with the subject at hand".
Please s-l-o-w down and read my entire response because when you respond to my post you sound ridiculous when I've already taken the liberty to address that issue beforehand.

As well, you can give free advice to people, make diets, etc., but why would anyone desire advice from you? Not flaming you, but what do you have to offer in pics/experience/clients/mags/virtual mags/message board sponsors/forums/etc., that people can see/read about to see if your advice is desired? Just curious because you made it sound as if you're a trainer that people know about and that would seek out your advice.

I'll always respond, time permitted, to individuals such as yourself because that is how I stay real and continue to make a name for myself. I don't NEED to respond, no, but when I have time I'll holler. If you are going to argue back and forth, at least stay on track w/your last argument. You jump around more than fleas.

I guess your blood pressure is still elevated? My offering of "it's not recommended for everyone" isn't good enough for you? That was your INITIAL argument, like I said, stay on track and read. You keep offering up more negativity, and it's showing YOUR true colors.

Anyhow, I've a blinding headache now from this jawin' back n forth. It's a nice day outside, I'm gonna go out w/my wife/son and enjoy the day, get a good workout (Flex Wheeler now works out of Terry's fitness in Salinas, that's neat), and spend some loot.

~SC~

 

[JKurz1]

If my blood pressure is elevated, it's due to the eca stack..........but, I don't feel it.......trust me bro, I have the knowledge and the pics to prove it....I'm not out to get you, just stated how I feel and you jumped me.............I didn't even read the last 5 paragraphs of your post, so if you insulted me again, so be it...................I'm done now. Good luck SC - I hope you succeed.

 

[~SC~]

I hope you succeed too in all that you do, I don't wish bad/negative upon anyone.

Stay pumpin'!

~SC~

 

[BrandonXJ]

shut up before I kick all your asses.

 

[~SC~]

shut up before I kick all your asses.

~SC~

 

[JKurz1]

 

[Specialbear]

soooo SC, ive alwas wondered, whats the worst u have ever cheated?

Also, i tried cheating a couple weeks ago with a god damn cone of ice cream. Believe it or not, i was sick all night Is there anything i can take to reduce the sugar intake, cause this really sux

 

[~SC~]

If you feel the "carb hangover" of sorts (from too much sugar at once) try choosing other foods you enjoy that are a bit less on the "guilt" scale. Use the cheat day more as a metabolism boost/carb re-feed day, and enjoy things perhaps like a pasta meal, sushi, or something that still has some good nutritional value.

The worst I ever cheated was in Vegas........everytime I go actually. When I'm there I am there to have fun, no rules at that time.

~SC~