sustenon ed

[eddymerckx]

anyone ever try ed w/sust. I ran the numbers and at 75/day once peak concentration is acheived--it is at about 71 mg/day concentration.

just I have never pinned that little .25 ml and wondered about absorbtion--meaning is there a minimum critical mass for the esters in the depot to work properly?

thoughts?

 

[jnef]

anyone ever try ed w/sust. I ran the numbers and at 75/day once peak concentration is acheived--it is at about 71 mg/day concentration.

just I have never pinned that little .25 ml and wondered about absorbtion--meaning is there a minimum critical mass for the esters in the depot to work properly?

thoughts?

ran a half cc eod - loved it

but i guess that doesnt adress your question, consider this a bump then

 

[Cardinal Slin]

I have used it at 250mgs eod for 6 wks and had some great results - mind you I was on enough stuff to bulk an army up. Also remember some people on here experimenting with 250mgs daily but as for .25cc daily - bump!

 

[jaybois]

250mg mon thurs worked well for me.

 

[jnef]

never pinned that little .25 ml and wondered about absorbtion--meaning is there a minimum critical mass for the esters in the depot to work properly?

bumping for this ^^^^ question, not what has worked - sorry for leading the thread in the wrong direction bro

 

[eddymerckx]

I have used it at 250mgs eod for 6 wks and had some great results - mind you I was on enough stuff to bulk an army up. Also remember some people on here experimenting with 250mgs daily but as for .25cc daily - bump!

i run up to 250/eod but want to experiment a bit--i just cannot find any articles about the absorbtion rate of low dose--not that i cannot do it any other way--this just appeared to be the most stable dose based on shorter half lives (glute quad pins).

i guess i think i have done this long enough that i am beginning to wonder about experimenting with low dose frequent injections to create an almost completely static daily value (i read they thing gyno may be triggered by the peaks/troughs--maybe i should quit thinking and start lifting

 

[pump1967]

i run up to 250/eod but want to experiment a bit--i just cannot find any articles about the absorbtion rate of low dose--not that i cannot do it any other way--this just appeared to be the most stable dose based on shorter half lives (glute quad pins).

i guess i think i have done this long enough that i am beginning to wonder about experimenting with low dose frequent injections to create an almost completely static daily value (i read they thing gyno may be triggered by the peaks/troughs--maybe i should quit thinking and start lifting

i've been hrt low dosage test cyp at 100 mg/week and decided to run it 50 mg every 3.5 days sun am then wed pm.i've heard of this being done before to keep blood test levels as stable as possible.the pharmokinetic response of a test cyp or enathate injection shows the peak at day 2 then at day 3 the levels start heading south slowly and back to baseline levels at day 10.recently started tren/test/winny stack and at week 3 switched from test cyp to test prop.even at 50 mg eod the prop instantly caused water retention and minor issues with right nipple which has already had surgery to remove most of the gland 5 yrs ago.before the switch to prop the low dose cyp and tren/winny had been working good but not nearly as good since i was running tren e,which i do no like at the low dose 140 mg/week i was taking only because i thought i was getting ace which imo blows tren e away at that dose but had only limited supply.now i acquired tren ace and made the switch starting mon.as far as the prop goes,regardless of others opinion on water retention and gyno issues with prop;my body prefers the slower esters and i'm not doing ed injects as 6 weeks of ed winny injects coupled with eod prop injects has worn my injection sites out and i currently have an infected right medial delt.and adex was being used at .5mg eod and still issues with the prop.going back to test cyp as of this am and will start the tren ace on mon at 75mg eod and replace winny with 100mg masteron eod along with 40 mg of var/day.i am running low dose test with stack because my body blows up with water at even moderate dosages of test even with diet and cardio spot on.tren insomnia had me up early and the caffeine has worked me into frenzy ranting about the test prop issues.any input would be gladly appreciated

 

[DaveTSI]

maybe adding some sterile oil to it would help?? i always run sus atleast eod, im running it ed right now and it is great, zero sides. I know what your saying about injecting such a small amount at a time, ive thought about it too. I cant imagine it really mattering though, your body will metabolize it wether its .25cc or 2cc.

as far as gyno goes, the cycles i have ran that would have big spikes in blood levels have flared up gyno as well as other sides. running sus ed I have NO sides and im on what most would call a HUGE dose right now.

 

[GUARDIAN]

i ran 325 eod once

define work properly? i think the issue is more of "effective minimum" dose for one shot of sus and not so much absorption.

 

[FRONT2BACKJACKED]

yes
a waste of pins
so is prop
stick with test base for real gains

 

[FRONT2BACKJACKED]

anyone ever try ed w/sust. I ran the numbers and at 75/day once peak concentration is acheived--it is at about 71 mg/day concentration.

just I have never pinned that little .25 ml and wondered about absorbtion--meaning is there a minimum critical mass for the esters in the depot to work properly?

thoughts?

how will any of us be able to give you a definitive answer on that bro, there are no scientists/doctors here lol, only a few chemists you can shoot .1 and your body will still absorb some of the compound, think about it, try it, experiment with it, only way to tell for yourself EVER. never submit to dogma unless you try yourself. there are so many tricks to the trade bro

 

[GUARDIAN]

yes
a waste of pins
so is prop
stick with test base for real gains

prop and sus is test bro.

so by "test base" u mean test/e test/c the long esters?

 

[eddymerckx]

how will any of us be able to give you a definitive answer on that bro, there are no scientists/doctors here lol, only a few chemists you can shoot .1 and your body will still absorb some of the compound, think about it, try it, experiment with it, only way to tell for yourself EVER. never submit to dogma unless you try yourself. there are so many tricks to the trade bro

I appreciate your input but I think you misinterpreted my question--i will experiment, i just wanted to know if others either have any experience via bro-ology or actual journal articles.

because you are new, you may not know that there are quite a few mds, a number of ms/ph.d research scientists--some are even mods, and bros who have forgotten more about gear than most people ever know--in fact, there are more people on this board who have come across journal articles etc that may have been helpful.

that is that is beauty of this board--take people like Tatyana, Nelson,, Omega, Mav, Bill L, Swole, khemix,--not to mention Guardian hit the issue on head as to what is the effective minimum dose. Even eod there can be as much as a 20% drop between pins so i am curious about if anyone had done so and if they noticed any difference.

the difference between this and other boards is that a question like mine can actually get an answer...

 

[Cardinal Slin]

I ran the numbers and at 75/day once peak concentration is acheived--it is at about 71 mg/day concentration.

Just re-read this and was a little confused. If injecting .25ml that indeed would be 75mgs but if the weight of the ester is taken away, there is not 71mgs of pure test left so how could 71mg/day concentration be achieved?

 

[jnef]

Just re-read this and was a little confused. If injecting .25ml that indeed would be 75mgs but if the weight of the ester is taken away, there is not 71mgs of pure test left so how could 71mg/day concentration be achieved?

sus has long acting esters in it, so when you are injecting ed, you are building the concentration up - thus the even levels at 71

 

[Cardinal Slin]

sus has long acting esters in it, so when you are injecting ed, you are building the concentration up - thus the even levels at 71

Yep, no I got it but you cannot inject 75mgs of sust and have 71mgs concentration of test on the same day you inject since there is not even 70mgs of test in the 75mgs of sust injected unless I read wrongly.

 

[jnef]

Yep, no I got it but you cannot inject 75mgs of sust and have 71mgs concentration of test on the same day you inject since there is not even 70mgs of test in the 75mgs of sust injected unless I read wrongly.

no you wont achieve that the first day, that is what will occur once peak concentration is achieved

 

[eddymerckx]

Just re-read this and was a little confused. If injecting .25ml that indeed would be 75mgs but if the weight of the ester is taken away, there is not 71mgs of pure test left so how could 71mg/day concentration be achieved?

^^^^see, this is my point--this board has bros that are quite capable of answering these sorts of questions--and are interested in the theory behind its use---k to you bro


i averaged the molecular weights (recogn that it is 300/ml so there may be a so the net ester weight has to be a bit less that 250/ml) and assumed pinning about 100 mgs total

 

[eddymerckx]

maybe adding some sterile oil to it would help?? i always run sus atleast eod, im running it ed right now and it is great, zero sides. I know what your saying about injecting such a small amount at a time, ive thought about it too. I cant imagine it really mattering though, your body will metabolize it wether its .25cc or 2cc.

as far as gyno goes, the cycles i have ran that would have big spikes in blood levels have flared up gyno as well as other sides. running sus ed I have NO sides and im on what most would call a HUGE dose right now.

i agree--this is what i am interested in---bros, myself included have run a a lot of sustenon e/o/d w/little gyno, but have had some issues one long ester as the spike is larger. me--no problems w/250 e/o/d but problems with cyp at anything over 500.

 

[jnef]

^^^^see, this is my point--this board has bros that are quite capable of answering these sorts of questions--and are interested in the theory behind its use---k to you bro


i averaged the molecular weights (recogn that it is 300/ml so there may be a so the net ester weight has to be a bit less that 250/ml) and assumed pinning about 100 mgs total

okay maybe im looking too much into this but pinning 75mg of sust ed

you would be pinning

9mg prop
18mg phenylprop
18mg isocaproate
30mg deconate


so with the build up in your system you will be achieving concentrations closer to this ed

Day 1: 75mg
Day 10: 433.5mg
Day 20: 574.7mg
Day 30: 633.2mg
Day 50: 671.6mg
Day 88: 682.2mg

 

[Cardinal Slin]

okay maybe im looking too much into this but pinning 75mg of sust ed

you would be pinning

9mg prop
18mg phenylprop
18mg isocaproate
30mg deconate


so with the build up in your system you will be achieving concentrations closer to this ed

Day 1: 75mg
Day 10: 433.5mg
Day 20: 574.7mg
Day 30: 633.2mg
Day 50: 671.6mg
Day 88: 682.2mg

In theory and as per label yes but in the real world no. You would be injecting this ammount in theory but off the top of my head 250mgs is around 180mgs of actual test - you lose some of the weight / concentration from the ester.

Hence if you inject 250mgs of enanthate or sustanon or etc etc (they are all test) by the time you take away the weight of the ester you are taking away some of the test and in real world it is much less you are injecting.

I am a little bit tipsy right now and have tried keeping this short and sweet but will be able to give you an in depth chemical explanation of this tomorrow but am sure you already know.

In short, if you inject 75mgs (0.25mls) you will not be injecting 75mgs of test it will be closer to 50-55mgs

 

[GUARDIAN]

bro your math is way off. u must not be taking into account the decay of the half-lives.

okay maybe im looking too much into this but pinning 75mg of sust ed

you would be pinning

9mg prop
18mg phenylprop
18mg isocaproate
30mg deconate


so with the build up in your system you will be achieving concentrations closer to this ed

Day 1: 75mg
Day 10: 433.5mg
Day 20: 574.7mg
Day 30: 633.2mg
Day 50: 671.6mg
Day 88: 682.2mg

 

[jnef]

haha damn bulk muscle pct F'd it up - i knew that didnt look right


anyhow slin yes i know that we lose weight do to esters, but he said he would actually be pinning 100mg, and expecting to get 75mg

 

[eddymerckx]

this assumes 75mg net test.

 

[jnef]

gaurdian thats a fancy program you have there - care to share in a pm

obviously bulk pct is crap lol

 

[jnef]

this assumes 75mg net test.

^^ ok roidcalc is my new calculator thanks eddy i feel like a dunce

 

[Cardinal Slin]

this assumes 75mg net test.

Oh thanks for the K

 

[eddymerckx]

Oh thanks for the K

you are welcome--good posts get k--