Sustanon Gains

[dreamsoflowbodyfat]

Hey guys,

I am going to do a cycle of Sustanon with some Primos as well. I will do 250mg of sustanon a week and 2mg of primo a week for 9 weeks. This is my 4th cycle, but first time ever using test. What kind of gains could I expect. I might actually bump up the sustanon to 500 mg/week, I am just concerned about gyno.
What do you think.

 

[nautica]

Well, from the info you have given us - there is no way for us to know what kind of gains you can expect.

As far as the gyno thing. Arimidex, nolvadex, clomid, liquidex, aminogluthamide. Plenty of options to help take care of this.

Nautica

 

[dreamsoflowbodyfat]

With regards to diet, I will probably eat very clean, lower carbs but not zero carbs, high protein. Cardio on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday in the morning for 40 minutes.

 

[megabump]

Hey guys,

I am going to do a cycle of Sustanon with some Primos as well. I will do 250mg of sustanon a week and 2mg of primo a week for 9 weeks. This is my 4th cycle, but first time ever using test. What kind of gains could I expect. I might actually bump up the sustanon to 500 mg/week, I am just concerned about gyno.
What do you think.

You should definitely bump it up to 500mg per week. 250mg will barely do anything over replacing your bodys own production of test in most people. Youll even get that same argument from some people on this board about 500mg.

Unless your prone to gyno, I wouldnt worry about 1/2 gram of test per week. Grab some Nolvedex if ur worried.

 

[dreamsoflowbodyfat]

Would taking the nolvies throughout the cycle hinder the growth results much.

 

[megabump]

Would taking the nolvies throughout the cycle hinder the growth results much.

Yes, generally you only take them if u feel the gyno comin on.

 

[dreamsoflowbodyfat]

when you feel it coming on is it a sore in the nipple, or pain. i am not too sure what to look for.

 

[rodd45]

I did

Just did a cycle od sustanon/eq for eight weeks(first time). I am up 17 pounds now waist down two inches. Now I am on the clomid, soon be over, strength has not ben lost since I stopped.
Planning on getting 500 mg/wk next time and I got a lot of deca so I will mix that two. I am new to the game myself and I have promised myself, never start a cycle without some clomid and anti-e's around. Hope that help, like I said 17 lbs.

 

[Themachine01]

i do not agree with not seeing good results from 250mg/wk of sus. my first cycle consisted of just 250mg/wk of sus for 10 wks and I had great results. I could never see those same results again from that amount, but for a first cycle, it is a good one. when talking about a fifth cycle I would go with 500mg or over. Even though it is your first time with test I would still go with at least 500.

 

[MadCow1]

Re: Re: Sustanon Gains

You should definitely bump it up to 500mg per week. 250mg will barely do anything over replacing your bodys own production of test in most people. Youll even get that same argument from some people on this board about 500mg.

First of all most people produce around 70mg weekly so 250 is over 300% increase from baseline. Add in some primo and total is 500mg which should produce noticable effects in most humans who have reasonably decent receptors.

TO THE ORIGINAL POSTER: if this is your 4th cycle, what were your previous cycles and the results as well as your current stats. This info is crucial. No one can give you a decent answer without it. This is where your prior experience comes into play and help others guage what is right for you.

 

[dreamsoflowbodyfat]

My first 2 cycles were 3 tabs of Dbol a day for 5 weeks plus 50mg of winstrol every other day.

My third cycle was 2 CC's of Primo for 8 weeks with 50 mg of Winstrol every other day.

My forth cycle was stricktly a maintenace cycle while I dieted hard.
7 weeks of 2 CC of Primobolon depot.

As you can tell I have never done anything hardcore which is why I am confused as to what dosage I should administer to myself. I am not a fisrt time user of AS, but I am when dealing stricktly with Test.

I am 5"9, 225Lbs, probably around 18%BF. I intend to eat clean throughout the entire cycle and beyond.

Thanks to everyone who has posted a reply, as all of your opinions are very appreciated.

 

[ripped31]

add some proviron in your cycle of sus start it about your 4th week at 25mg a day helps keep the gyno away,also will harden you up and keep your sex drive in check. love proviron stuff is awsome!

 

[Themachine01]

sex drive is good!

 

[MadCow1]

You still didn't say how you responded to those cycles. I assume you were satisfied with your results but are looking to kick it up a notch.

I'd say you could go either way. If you want to very conservatively try test out then go with 250mg and the primo at 200mg. You may or may not get a supperior response to this (I personally used to gain on 200mg of deca whereas I needed 400mg of test weekly when used alone - maybe I'm an exception). Doing 500mg would also be okay just keep anti-gyno on hand and be prepared to hold some water if not using arim.

You seem to have used a reasonable progression before and you seem satisfied with your results. Sort of a gamble, but neither choice is out of line.

 

[BigAndy69]

You're in TO, lots of fake primo going around be careful

 

[NFG123]

Re: I did

Just did a cycle od sustanon/eq for eight weeks(first time). I am up 17 pounds now waist down two inches. Now I am on the clomid, soon be over, strength has not ben lost since I stopped.
Planning on getting 500 mg/wk next time and I got a lot of deca so I will mix that two. I am new to the game myself and I have promised myself, never start a cycle without some clomid and anti-e's around. Hope that help, like I said 17 lbs.

What was your cycle amts?

What were your starting/ending stats?

 

[NFG123]

bump!

 

[mvmaxx]

Yes, generally you only take them if u feel the gyno comin on.

#1 - I've seen many smart people post that the whole "Nolvadex hinders gains thing" is a myth

#2 - You don't always "feel gyno coming on".

Therefore if you are worried about gyno and are going to run 500mg of sust, I'd run Liquidex @ 1mg/ED or EOD and definitely have Nolvadex on hand, if not taken at light dosages throughout anyway (10-20mg/ED).

 

[bigAragorn]

I would bump it up to 500 mg a week and allow 4 days in btw injections.
Regarding liquidex or arimidex i would not take 1 mg ed or eod all you need is .25mg/day.

b.A.

p.s. my first cycle will start this monday and im shooting 500mg of sust a week...looking forward to it.

 

[mvmaxx]

I fucking hate posts like this with a PASSION!!
Dissemination of bad information is one of the few downfalls to this site.

Regarding liquidex or arimidex i would not take 1 mg ed or eod all you need is .25mg/day.

And just how the fuck do you know this?!? How do you know that all he needs is .25mg/ED?? Because you're an expert? Because you've done similar cycles many times? no wait.......

p.s. my first cycle will start this monday and im shooting 500mg of sust a week...looking forward to it.

Ohhhhh that's right, you haven't even started your first cycle yet.

THEN SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!!!!!!

Do you know who the vets are referring to when they talk about newbies giving newbies advice? -- YOU!!

It is morons like you that disseminate bad information and fool newbies into thinking that .25mg/ED is enough.

Let me back up my claim once again with something called experience. I did a similar cycle to what he proposed and was running Liquidex @ .50mg/ED and still got gyno. Yes gyno, the exact fucking thing this guy is referring to when he says "I am just concerned about gyno". Only now is it starting to fade with Liquidex @ 1mg/ED and Nolvadex @ 40mg/ED for now.

I honestly hate flaming but I can't stand it when advice is given as it is the rule. If he wasn't worried about sides then fuck it, go with .25mg/ED but he specifically said he was worried about it.

Wait until after your cycle. Then maybe you can give advice on shit you actually experienced.

 

[bigAragorn]

wow....

....that was something else (sniff, sniff)
I guess i should really go back and hit the books, my University library is definately pointing me in the wrong direction...to think i actually felt confident in telling this guy .25 mgs ed would suffice...but i guess i was wrong...

one thing mvmaxx,
I was not undermining YOUR authority on this matter but since you seem to have taken this the wrong way i will do us all a favor and go get your copy of the Authoritative text on lq use, maybe there i will find studies regarding gyno and its supression due to the use of 1mg ed...or has that not been studied yet ( bear in mind i do not know who the fuck you are and what you have experienced )

and no i have not experience the use of steroids and am i wrong in thinking that .25mgs ed will suffice...really i would like to know because i really did think that was sufficient...

i am sorry to dreams for pointing him in the wrong direction and mvmaxx maybe it didnt work for you cause you naturally are prone to gyno... is that a possibilty i would like to know since i am a fucking moron! There are so many possibilities as to why you got gyno buddy and id like to think that hasnt happened to everyone who has used liquidex at .25mg/day. And it sounds to me like you are using 1 mg every day to REVERSE the effects.

I guess ill take this flaming in stride but as a young kid i must say i was hurt that someone who dosent even know me would call me a fucking moron and tell me to shut my fucking mouth...i guess dropping my hard earned money so that i can make 6 figures after University is a complete joke.

hitting the books with steadfast vigor,
b.A.

 

[mvmaxx]

Re: wow....

.... ( bear in mind i do not know who the fuck you are and what you have experienced)

I just got done telling you what I experienced.

and no i have not experience the use of steroids and am i wrong in thinking that .25mgs ed will suffice...really i would like to know because i really did think that was sufficient...)

First off I'll say that you will probably get a lot of people that would back up that claim of .25mg/ED. The reason behind that is because some people are just not prone to estrogen related sides. I have a friend who uses insane amounts of gear with no anti-e and all he gets are zits. Everyone is different.

The most authoritative person I've seen post on this is Zyg who says to use .25mg/ED for each 250mg of test = .50mg/ED.
I'd still disagree slightly for personal reasons, but again this probably covers 99% of guys out there.
I've spoken with two other authoritative people, one that works in a lab making Liquidex and the other a doctor that actually knows about AS, and they both recommend 1mg/ED or EOD.

i am sorry to dreams for pointing him in the wrong direction and mvmaxx maybe it didnt work for you cause you naturally are prone to gyno...

You may be 100% correct. And that was my reasoning behind giving him the recommendation that I did. Because he specifically said that he was worried about it and he hasn't done test yet so he doesn't know if he will be prone or not. My thoughts are better to be safe than get gyno.

... id like to think that hasnt happened to everyone who has used liquidex at .25mg/day. And it sounds to me like you are using 1 mg every day to REVERSE the effects.

Of course this won't happen to everyone as stated from the reasons above, everyone is different. He was worried about it so I suggested a route that would ultimately keep him the safest.
I'm using the Nolvadex to reverse it. The 1mg/ED was to ensure it didn't get worse (which worked).

I guess ill take this flaming in stride but as a young kid i must say i was hurt that someone who dosent even know me would call me a fucking moron and tell me to shut my fucking mouth

Again, I hate flaming and try to conduct myself in a professional manner on this site (most of the time ), however your reply really struck a cord with me for obvious reasons. I believe people that "don't know how sensitive they are to estrogen sides" (ie first time users) and are "worried about sides" should take much more precautions. Again, many vets won't recommend these precautions because they never had to worry about it. The fact that this guy was worried about it led me to give him what I would consider safe advice.

b.A. - I'm done with this thread. I appreciate the intelligent reply and I apologize for calling you a moron - but your reply struck a nerve. The only advice I'd give you is to watch what you repeat to newbies. I'll say it one more time; everyone is different and will respond differently. If someone wants to take precautions don't let him think he doesn't have to. Best of luck with your school, the 6 digits is worth it.

 

[bigAragorn]

indeed i have repeated this information (re: .25mg/day of lq)
and have had no experience myself...
my blindness to the sensitivity of some people and their succeptiblity to estrogen related sides has caused the stir and for that i am sorry maxx.
I am glad i did not react to the flaming immaturly as i would not have recieved this above reply!
Thank you for not letting me think you were a fucking asshole bro.
Water under the bridge...

b.A.

 

[BBBodie]

I took solicitations on my first cycle (posted in this forum as well) and did some research (my degree is Exercise Phys and my minor was chemistry...it's a wonder it took 20 years to start using it).

I produced an excel spreadsheet on half lives using Sustanon. Did an interesting study on this, including the different Esters and how long they take to kick in/dissipate. The dissipation levels are based on avg blood chemistry, and may be a bit different for you.

I also looked at injecting daily or EOD a 250mg amp (you don't get it all remember...only about 60mg/max a day the first week) for 21 days, by the 3-4 week, you have your levels up to 600mg in system and a good taper....by doing it EOD, for 21 amps if you like or just 10 for a shorter cycle, your peak will be in the 400's for about 7-12 days depending on your length of cycle.

The file is on http://communities.msn.com/BodaciousBodiesBybodie...look in the Message Board for the Chemistry discussion on Sustanon (includes Prop).

Your mileage may vary....but for me, I'm recommend using (from my experience) Proviron and/or Liquidex...if you're using Liquidex...Proviron is insurance as Liquidex nails it all. I started initially without and felt like the Michelin man.....or Mr. StayPuft...anyway, soon as the Proviron arrived...normalcy, and when Liquidex was introduced...ahhh....relief from total bloat and things were a bit tighter. The other component for me was Fina......my strength and growth is up big time went from 223# to 245# and it's only been 6 weeks.