sust250 PCT?

[swordfish151]

ok guys question im going to be running sust250 in 01-05 for 10 wks. im only going to be running 250mgs a wk. every monday. (im a newbie so i have done the research to know i should just do test first then go from there) anyway what is the proper PCT for this kind of a cycle? i want to get my PCT first before i get my gear! thanks for any relies!

 

[Dial_tone]

PCT should be the same for most any cycle.

 

[swordfish151]

PCT should be the same for most any cycle.

yeah i understand that, but what im really clueless on is clomid/nolvadex...i understand that for sust it should be 3wks after the last injection followed by 3 wks of PCT, what i dont understand is that some bro's recommend just nolva for pct not clomid...meaning i can have nolva on hand in case of gyno, but also run the nolva for pct? anything else i should take for PCT with sust? at 250mgs a wk?

 

[Jenetic]

ok guys question im going to be running sust250 in 01-05 for 10 wks. im only going to be running 250mgs a wk. every monday. (im a newbie so i have done the research to know i should just do test first then go from there) anyway what is the proper PCT for this kind of a cycle? i want to get my PCT first before i get my gear! thanks for any relies!

First, have blood work performed to establish baseline values. This will be very uselful later on in regards to evaluating your recovery amongst many other things.

250 mgs EW is definitely on the safe side. Nothing wrong with that at all.

I usually recommend the following.

A combination of 500 mgs testosterone per week, 0.5-1 mg Arimidex ED and 0.5 mg Finasteride ED for a total of 8 weeks should provide you optimal anabolic/androgenic benefits while minimizing estrogen and DHT related side effects.

In regards to estrogen management, a combination of a Arimidex and Nolvadex may provide an interesting alternative as the lower dosage of Arimidex (0.5 mgs ED) combined with a low dosage of Nolvadex (10 mgs ED) should equate to less of an overall decrease in total estrogen, protection specifically at the receptor site and less of an impact on the lipid profile.

Finasteride prevents the metabolism of DHT via the 5AR. This will minimize DHT related side effects such as hair loss and acne. Also, it will keep the prostate healthy. A dosage of 0.5 mg ED should be sufficient without affecting libido and strength on a 500 mg Testosterone cycle.

Begin PCT one week after your last injection and it should consist of 1000 IU's HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for a total of 3 weeks. After, discontinue HCG and continue with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for an additional 2-3 weeks. Testicular volume is normalized during the first three weeks and pituitarty LH secretion is sustained during the following 2-3 weeks. Complete your recovery process with blood work. This is necessary in order to evaluate your recovery.

Why HCG? Why begin PCT 1 week after last injection?

There is nothing more effective than HCG in regards to restoring endogenous testosterone production, spermatogenesis and testicular volume. The action of HCG is virtually identical to that of pituitary LH. It stimulates production of gonadal steroid hormones by stimulating the Leydig cells of the testis to produce testosterone. This occurs independantly and is not affected by exogenous hormones and preexisting HPTA suppresion.

The elevated androgen levels are from an exogenous source and your endogenous production is suppressed. Therefore, waiting for the exogenous androgens to clear from your system completely ultimately results in lower total concentrations of androgens in your system when begining PCT. Regardless, LH secretion will begin to increase as the exogenous hormones diminish.

Jenetic

 

[swordfish151]

First, have blood work performed to establish baseline values. This will be very uselful later on in regards to evaluating your recovery amongst many other things.

250 mgs EW is definitely on the safe side. Nothing wrong with that at all.

I usually recommend the following.

A combination of 500 mgs testosterone per week, 0.5-1 mg Arimidex ED and 0.5 mg Finasteride ED for a total of 8 weeks should provide you optimal anabolic/androgenic benefits while minimizing estrogen and DHT related side effects.

In regards to estrogen management, a combination of a Arimidex and Nolvadex may provide an interesting alternative as the lower dosage of Arimidex (0.5 mgs ED) combined with a low dosage of Nolvadex (10 mgs ED) should equate to less of an overall decrease in total estrogen, protection specifically at the receptor site and less of an impact on the lipid profile.

Finasteride prevents the metabolism of DHT via the 5AR. This will minimize DHT related side effects such as hair loss and acne. Also, it will keep the prostate healthy. A dosage of 0.5 mg ED should be sufficient without affecting libido and strength on a 500 mg Testosterone cycle.

Begin PCT one week after your last injection and it should consist of 1000 IU's HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for a total of 3 weeks. After, discontinue HCG and continue with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for an additional 2-3 weeks. Testicular volume is normalized during the first three weeks and pituitarty LH secretion is sustained during the following 2-3 weeks. Complete your recovery process with blood work. This is necessary in order to evaluate your recovery.

Why HCG? Why begin PCT 1 week after last injection?

There is nothing more effective than HCG in regards to restoring endogenous testosterone production, spermatogenesis and testicular volume. The action of HCG is virtually identical to that of pituitary LH. It stimulates production of gonadal steroid hormones by stimulating the Leydig cells of the testis to produce testosterone. This occurs independantly and is not affected by exogenous hormones and preexisting HPTA suppresion.

The elevated androgen levels are from an exogenous source and your endogenous production is suppressed. Therefore, waiting for the exogenous androgens to clear from your system completely ultimately results in lower total concentrations of androgens in your system when begining PCT. Regardless, LH secretion will begin to increase as the exogenous hormones diminish.

Jenetic

im a little lost genetic...i thought that i had to start PCT 3 wks after last shot?? i also was recommended to do the HCG during the cycle not at the end?? and to run clomid for 3 wks not the nolva, but keep the nolva on hand in case of gyno?? im a confused?? this would be my first cycle ever so i want to get the anti's right...is a-dex required? im only doing 250mgs a wk?

 

[Jenetic]

im a little lost genetic...i thought that i had to start PCT 3 wks after last shot?? i also was recommended to do the HCG during the cycle not at the end?? and to run clomid for 3 wks not the nolva, but keep the nolva on hand in case of gyno?? im a confused?? this would be my first cycle ever so i want to get the anti's right...is a-dex required? im only doing 250mgs a wk?

Starting the PCT one week after his last injection will not cause any problems with your recovery.

The elevated androgen levels are from an exogenous source and your endogenous production is suppressed. Therefore, waiting for the exogenous androgens to clear from your system ultimately results in lower total concentrations of androgens in your system when begining PCT. This leads to an unfavorable andgrogen:estrogen ratio and the "crash effect".

Your confusion is due to the different PCT protocols that are recommended. The idea behind using HCG during your cycle is to prevent testicular atrophy and then allowing clomid to restore your LH production. A visual judgement is not a accurate judgement of testicular atrophy. Also, you will require more injections during your cycle. It works for some and it doesn't. I only recommend using hCG during cycle when the dosages are heavy and the duration is prolonged. Keep it simple. Run your hCG post cycle.

Technically, most people do not ecounter side effects when using 250 mgs testosterone EW. This is not a gaurantee. Nolvadex will alleviate gynecomastia if present. It works by binding to the estrogen receptor and blocking estrogen from binding. Arimidex works by inhibiting the amromatase enzyme from converting testosterone to estrogen. This results in a decrease in estrogen production. Keep in mind, a single 200 mg testosterone injection increases serum testosterone well above the optimal normal range which is 1000 ng/dl. Although not absolutely necessary in your case, arimidex is a far superior form of estrogen management. Personally, I would recommend using it at a low dosage.

Jenetic

 

[swordfish151]

Starting the PCT one week after his last injection will not cause any problems with your recovery.

The elevated androgen levels are from an exogenous source and your endogenous production is suppressed. Therefore, waiting for the exogenous androgens to clear from your system ultimately results in lower total concentrations of androgens in your system when begining PCT. This leads to an unfavorable andgrogen:estrogen ratio and the "crash effect".

Your confusion is due to the different PCT protocols that are recommended. The idea behind using HCG during your cycle is to prevent testicular atrophy and then allowing clomid to restore your LH production. A visual judgement is not a accurate judgement of testicular atrophy. Also, you will require more injections during your cycle. It works for some and it doesn't. I only recommend using hCG during cycle when the dosages are heavy and the duration is prolonged. Keep it simple. Run your hCG post cycle.

Technically, most people do not ecounter side effects when using 250 mgs testosterone EW. This is not a gaurantee. Nolvadex will alleviate gynecomastia if present. It works by binding to the estrogen receptor and blocking estrogen from binding. Arimidex works by inhibiting the amromatase enzyme from converting testosterone to estrogen. This results in a decrease in estrogen production. Keep in mind, a single 200 mg testosterone injection increases serum testosterone well above the optimal normal range which is 1000 ng/dl. Although not absolutely necessary in your case, arimidex is a far superior form of estrogen management. Personally, I would recommend using it at a low dosage.

Jenetic

aaahhh got yeah, so as far as the a-dex you would recommend 0.5-1 mg Arimidex ED for 8 wks? in the middle of the cycle??? and if i got this straight your recommending nolva for 6wks at 20mgs? one more thing...NO CLOMID??

 

[Jenetic]

You could probably get away with 0.5 mgs arimided EOD. Run this during the full 10 weeks of your cycle.

PCT will be a total of 5-6 weeks. Nolvadex will be used the entire 5-6 weeks. No clomid. This is not to say that it's not beneficial during PCT, but it's not needed here. Nolvadex is the prefered choice in most cases.

Jenetic

 

[swordfish151]

You could probably get away with 0.5 mgs arimided EOD. Run this during the full 10 weeks of your cycle.

PCT will be a total of 5-6 weeks. Nolvadex will be used the entire 5-6 weeks. No clomid. This is not to say that it's not beneficial during PCT, but it's not needed here. Nolvadex is the prefered choice in most cases.

Jenetic

Perfect!!!! thanxs so much genetic!!!!

 

[Dr. Muscle]

Starting the PCT one week after his last injection will not cause any problems with your recovery.

The elevated androgen levels are from an exogenous source and your endogenous production is suppressed. Therefore, waiting for the exogenous androgens to clear from your system ultimately results in lower total concentrations of androgens in your system when begining PCT. This leads to an unfavorable andgrogen:estrogen ratio and the "crash effect".

Your confusion is due to the different PCT protocols that are recommended. The idea behind using HCG during your cycle is to prevent testicular atrophy and then allowing clomid to restore your LH production. A visual judgement is not a accurate judgement of testicular atrophy. Also, you will require more injections during your cycle. It works for some and it doesn't. I only recommend using hCG during cycle when the dosages are heavy and the duration is prolonged. Keep it simple. Run your hCG post cycle.

Technically, most people do not ecounter side effects when using 250 mgs testosterone EW. This is not a gaurantee. Nolvadex will alleviate gynecomastia if present. It works by binding to the estrogen receptor and blocking estrogen from binding. Arimidex works by inhibiting the amromatase enzyme from converting testosterone to estrogen. This results in a decrease in estrogen production. Keep in mind, a single 200 mg testosterone injection increases serum testosterone well above the optimal normal range which is 1000 ng/dl. Although not absolutely necessary in your case, arimidex is a far superior form of estrogen management. Personally, I would recommend using it at a low dosage.

Jenetic

Jenetic,
I have asked this in another thread today, but this comes very close to answering the question I posted there, so I will repeat it...

On an Anavar only cycle, does the 1 week wait time still apply?

I have seen in another thread where someone was on primo and anavar and you recommended that he start 3 days after last intake....