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Sust only cycle or add deca ?

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Bowserbadass

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Im about to run my sust only cycle and someone suggested me to run it with deca ? Would i get significant gains with it or would I get good enough gains with the sust only ? The reason I am wondering is because im not sure if it is worth losing my libdo over. Also for the sust only cycle i have a vile of sust 250 10ml and sust 300ml, is it fine to take the 250 and then the 300 ? Im going to be running a 10 week cycle and am going to add anavar from week at to 10 btw.
 
Have you ever cycled before? If this is your first cycle I would stick with just test and the var at the end. Deca can be hard to recover from because it lingers in your body for so long, and shuts you down hard. Not ideal for a first cycle. See how your body handles test first before you throw in something else. You Can mix the 2 sust together just fine. Make sure you have an AI on hand for any estrogen sides. At your body fat, you will have a higer chance of getting them. I would also have your max test dose between 250-375 mg per week. It is unclear how long you plan to run the Var, but run it at least 6 weeks, 60-80mg per day.
 
Test alone gives people great results cycle after cycle I know guys who have only used test as there cycles and tbh they fucking huge
 
Reps For Jesus said:
Have you ever cycled before? If this is your first cycle I would stick with just test and the var at the end. Deca can be hard to recover from because it lingers in your body for so long, and shuts you down hard. Not ideal for a first cycle. See how your body handles test first before you throw in something else. You Can mix the 2 sust together just fine. Make sure you have an AI on hand for any estrogen sides. At your body fat, you will have a higer chance of getting them. I would also have your max test dose between 250-375 mg per week. It is unclear how long you plan to run the Var, but run it at least 6 weeks, 60-80mg per day.
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This would be my first, been doing a lot lf research and hearing people who have cycled for
Quiet some time now, and okay I will stick too the sust only and so I would use one bike first and the other correct ? And in how many ml for 250 Injection and how many for the 300? And I'm about 16 body far so I'd run the Anavar from week 8 to 10, 20mg tablets at 60 mgs a day? And would the 6 weeks be from the beginning of the cycle or end ? And I would be running a 8-10 week
Cycle total
 
AeRoXx said:
Test alone gives people great results cycle after cycle I know guys who have only used test as there cycles and tbh they fucking huge
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That's what I was thinking but people at my gym are saying sust is weak
And I will
Barely gain 3 to 8 pounds
 
Start with you bottle of 250, pin either 1/2 ml twice per week. Or 3/4 ml twice per week. This would equate to 250 mg per week, or 375 mg per week. Then when that bottle is finished, do the same for the 300. .5 ml twice per week will be 300 mg per week, and then 3/4 ml will be 450 ml per week.

You will want to run the var longer than that. 6 weeks minimum in my opinion. Run it at the end of your cycle, right up until the start of PCT.

Make sure you are running an AI. Your cycle should look something like this.

1-10 Sust 250-375 mg/week
7-12 Anavar 60-80 mg/day

If your training and diet are on point. You can easily gain 10+ pounds. Keeping the gains is another story though. What does your PCT look like?
 
Reps For Jesus said:
Start with you bottle of 250, pin either 1/2 ml twice per week. Or 3/4 ml twice per week. This would equate to 250 mg per week, or 375 mg per week. Then when that bottle is finished, do the same for the 300. .5 ml twice per week will be 300 mg per week, and then 3/4 ml will be 450 ml per week.

You will want to run the var longer than that. 6 weeks minimum in my opinion. Run it at the end of your cycle, right up until the start of PCT.

Make sure you are running an AI. Your cycle should look something like this.

1-10 Sust 250-375 mg/week
7-12 Anavar 60-80 mg/day

If your training and diet on points. You can easily gain 10+ pounds. Keeping the gains is another story though. What does your PCT look like?
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Okay I'll run it exactly like that's and which AI do you recommend and when would
Be the best peak time to begin taking them, I really want to avoid gyno? And for my pcts I'm getting my hands on HcG and then novladex and clomid
 
I would go with Aromasin. Start with 12.5 mg every other day, from the beginning. Then adjust your dose as you go and find your comfort zone. If you are holding a lot of water, bump it to ED. If everything is going good, keep it the same. If you start to get signs of gyno, then you can add in a bit of Nolva to the cycle, 20-40 mg a day.

That is a good base for PCT. How do you plan to run it? I would add a few things to it like Unleashed and D-AA. They will help to elevate your natrual test and free test levels.
 
Reps For Jesus said:
I would go with Aromasin. Start with 12.5 mg every other day, from the beginning. Then adjust your dose as you go and find your comfort zone. If you are holding a lot of water, bump it to ED. If everything is going good, keep it the same. If you start to get signs of gyno, then you can add in a bit of Nolva to the cycle, 20-40 mg a day.

That is a good base for PCT. How do you plan to run it? I would add a few things to it like Unleashed and D-AA. They will help to elevate your natrual test and free test levels.
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I will try to get my hands on that but if not would armidex do ? Like would that counteract the gyno if there were any ? And what do you mean by comfort zone ? And if I do see signs how long would I use the novla and clomid during my cycle ? And I have it written down it's like 40 40 20 20 20, is there a certain way I should take them for a sust only cycle and I may have a hard time getting those in my area
 
Bowserbadass said:
That's what I was thinking but people at my gym are saying sust is weak
And I will
Barely gain 3 to 8 pounds
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That is absolute bollox believe me, if I was you I'd just get one ester of test like cup or enth...even with sust if you have some sides your not going to know if its the enth prop or cyp and if your adding deca too that's another compound...but if you r gonna use sustanon for 12 weeks with a good diet and training you will defo gain more then 3-8 lbs(will mostly be water)
 
Arimidex is fine, .5 mg eod to start. An AI will stop the conversion from test to estrogen, so yes it will help combat gyno. The higher your body fat % is, the higher chance you have of having estrogen related problems. By comfort zone, I mean where your estrogen isn't to high or to low. Every one is different so you have to find what dose works best for you. If you start to see signs of gyno, bump your arimidex and start using Nolva. Nolva is a breast cancer drug, and will stop estrogen from binding to breast tissue. People use it for gyno treatment and prevention. You may not need it, so only use it if you have to. If you notice the problem, start the Nolva and use it until you are done with PCT.

Unleashed and D-AA are natural supplements and they should be no problem getting them wherever you live. You will have to order online.

You will want to start your PCT at week 13. First, start by blasting HCG during weeks 11 and 12 to get your balls kicking again. 250-500 iu eod should suffice. Then start your SERM therapy after that. I would stick to Clomid only, unless you have a problem with gyno. In that case run both Clomid and Nolva. Start with 50mg of clomid per day and taper down for 4 weeks. If you need the Nolva, start from the beginning at 40 mg and taper down just like the Clomid and use for 4-6 weeks. You will also want to run your AI in PCT.

11-12 HCG 500 iu eod
13-16 Clomid 50/50/25/25
11-16 Arimidex .5 mg/eod
or
11-12 HCG 500 iu/eod
13-16 Clomid 50/50/25/25
13-16 Nolva 40/40/20/20
11-16 Armidex .5 mg/eod
 
LeanGain said:
That is absolute bollox believe me, if I was you I'd just get one ester of test like cup or enth...even with sust if you have some sides your not going to know if its the enth prop or cyp and if your adding deca too that's another compound...but if you r gonna use sustanon for 12 weeks with a good diet and training you will defo gain more then 3-8 lbs(will mostly be water)
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If it's water wouldn't the cycle be pointless since I'd lose it as soon as I'm off the cycle ? And I think I might just stick to sust only with a armidex on hand or something
 
Some of it will be water, but the majority of it will be muscle. The water will go away once you are off cycle, but the muscle will still be there. By no means would the cycle be pointless. Using an AI on cycle will limit the bloat you get from water. Don't do any of this "on hand" bullshit. Run it from the beginning.
 
Bowserbadass said:
If it's water wouldn't the cycle be pointless since I'd lose it as soon as I'm off the cycle ? And I think I might just stick to sust only with a armidex on hand or something
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Not every pound you gain on cycle is muscle.. with test and aromatizing compounds a lot is water..

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Reps For Jesus said:
Arimidex is fine, .5 mg eod to start. An AI will stop the conversion from test to estrogen, so yes it will help combat gyno. The higher your body fat % is, the higher chance you have of having estrogen related problems. By comfort zone, I mean where your estrogen isn't to high or to low. Every one is different so you have to find what dose works best for you. If you start to see signs of gyno, bump your arimidex and start using Nolva. Nolva is a breast cancer drug, and will stop estrogen from binding to breast tissue. People use it for gyno treatment and prevention. You may not need it, so only use it if you have to. If you notice the problem, start the Nolva and use it until you are done with PCT.

Unleashed and D-AA are natural supplements and they should be no problem getting them wherever you live. You will have to order online.

You will want to start your PCT at week 13. First, start by blasting HCG during weeks 11 and 12 to get your balls kicking again. 250-500 iu eod should suffice. Then start your SERM therapy after that. I would stick to Clomid only, unless you have a problem with gyno. In that case run both Clomid and Nolva. Start with 50mg of clomid per day and taper down for 4 weeks. If you need the Nolva, start from the beginning at 40 mg and taper down just like the Clomid and use for 4-6 weeks. You will also want to run your AI in PCT.

11-12 HCG 500 iu eod
13-16 Clomid 50/50/25/25
11-16 Arimidex .5 mg/eod
or
11-12 HCG 500 iu/eod
13-16 Clomid 50/50/25/25
13-16 Nolva 40/40/20/20
11-16 Armidex .5 mg/eod
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Okay so I'll do that aswell , thanks for the advice and would pull
Form be okay ? I know I can get that easy and my body far is around 16% I don't know if that would be considered as gyno prone,
 
Pull Form?

The more body fat you have, the higher chance of having estrogen related sides are. 16% body fat is on the higher end of the spectrum of starting a cycle, but it's not terrible. A lot of people will tell you that you should not run a cycle if your body fat is that high, I personally think that is bullocks. You have a higher chance of getting sides, but you will be fine if you keep on top of it.
 
Reps For Jesus said:
Pull Form?

The more body fat you have, the higher chance of having estrogen related sides are. 16% body fat is on the higher end of the spectrum of starting a cycle, but it's not terrible. A lot of people will tell you that you should not run a cycle if your body fat is that high, I personally think that is bullocks. You have a higher chance of getting sides, but you will be fine if you keep on top of it.
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Pill form of pcts * so as long as I take the armidex, train eat I should be fine and leave the cycle wit good gains no gyno or permanent damage ?
 
Pill form is fine.

That would be the idea behind a cycle and doing everything correctly. Everything should be fine.

1-10 Sust 250-375mg/week
7-12 Anavar 60-80mg/day
11-12 HCG 500iu/eod
13-16 Clomid 50/50/25/25
1-16 Arimidex .5 mg/eod

Have nolva ready just in case. Also, make sure you have some cycle/liver support, especially while on Anavar. I am sure other people will chime in with their opinions, but this is what I'd do if I were you. Good Luck bro
 
Bowserbadass said:
Pill form of pcts * so as long as I take the armidex, train eat I should be fine and leave the cycle wit good gains no gyno or permanent damage ?
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If your gyno prone then that's a different story but start your adex at 0.25mg eod then adjust accordingly....what blend is your sust?
 
I wouldn't bother with Deca unless you are a pro, on trt, or are an advanced user. It lingers for a long time and can cause serious libido issues.

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