Sust and primo, first cycle question

[x44]

I'm going to be starting my first cycle in a couple of a weeks. I have 19 amps of sust (i had 20 but broke one like an ass) and 10 amps of primo. I've checked everything out and I'm sure they're both real. From reading up I'm pretty sure I want to include some Novaldex and Clomid with the cycle.

I need help planning out the cycle. I was going to do 250 sust every three days, but I'm not sure when to start the primos. Should I mix them in with the end of the sust or finish up the sust first? Do I even want to use all 19 shots of sust?

Also when and how much of the Novaldex and Clomid do I want to take?

I'm about 5'10" 130 lbs, a little on the skinny side. I've been working out on a regular schedule for about 2 months now, consuming about 3500-4000 calories and 150 grams of protien a day.

Oh also I got a bottle of milk thistle, I'm thinking taking 2 capsules of those a day.

Thanks in advance, please don't knock me for being new

 

[big_mike]

I'm going to be starting my first cycle in a couple of a weeks. I have 19 amps of sust (i had 20 but broke one like an ass) and 10 amps of primo. I've checked everything out and I'm sure they're both real. From reading up I'm pretty sure I want to include some Novaldex and Clomid with the cycle.

I need help planning out the cycle. I was going to do 250 sust every three days, but I'm not sure when to start the primos. Should I mix them in with the end of the sust or finish up the sust first? Do I even want to use all 19 shots of sust?

Also when and how much of the Novaldex and Clomid do I want to take?

I'm about 5'10" 130 lbs, a little on the skinny side. I've been working out on a regular schedule for about 2 months now, consuming about 3500-4000 calories and 150 grams of protien a day.

Oh also I got a bottle of milk thistle, I'm thinking taking 2 capsules of those a day.

Thanks in advance, please don't knock me for being new

you need to do some research bro. Please use the search function.
Sustanon MUST be used ED or EOD to maintain steady blood levels in your body. Any longer than that and you are wasting the sustanon. do no more than 500mg a week. Nolvadex should be used @ 20mg ed if that's all you have. If you can get some liquidex, it should be run with the nolvadex @ .25 ed and nolva @ 10mg ed. Save the primo for another cycle if this is your first. Do your research and get back to me, and i'll plan a cycle for you.
bm


BTW: i would not use sustanon if this is your first cycle. Use a longer lasting ester like cypionate or enanthate for your first.
read read read!

 

[buckwheat1]

I'm going to be starting my first cycle in a couple of a weeks. I have 19 amps of sust (i had 20 but broke one like an ass) and 10 amps of primo. I've checked everything out and I'm sure they're both real. From reading up I'm pretty sure I want to include some Novaldex and Clomid with the cycle.

I need help planning out the cycle. I was going to do 250 sust every three days, but I'm not sure when to start the primos. Should I mix them in with the end of the sust or finish up the sust first? Do I even want to use all 19 shots of sust?

Also when and how much of the Novaldex and Clomid do I want to take?

I'm about 5'10" 130 lbs, a little on the skinny side. I've been working out on a regular schedule for about 2 months now, consuming about 3500-4000 calories and 150 grams of protien a day.

Oh also I got a bottle of milk thistle, I'm thinking taking 2 capsules of those a day.

Thanks in advance, please don't knock me for being new

You should probably just go with the sust. for you first time. You have enough to do 500mg/wk for 9 weeks. That is good enough for a first time.

Shoot the sust. 2x week. Every three days is good. I don't agree that it ED or EOD shoots are necessary.

After your last shot of sust. , you will wait 2 weeks, and then you will start clomid/nolvadex. Do a search and you will find plenty on PCT.

You can take milk thistle but injectibles are usually not a problem for the liver. It is the oral compounds that are hard on the liver.

I just re-read your post and saw that you have only been working for 2 months. You also did'nt mention your age. Typically people have some training experience before the start using steroids. This helps. because if you don't know how to train and have a poor diet then you won't benefit much.

 

[x44]

Sorry I didn't add my age. I'm 21 now. As far as experience, I've always been an athlete, and play basketball regularly in a league and by two months I mean working out 6 days a week on a regular schedule. I've belonged to my gym for years, but always trained on and off. I usually just played ball and would do circuit training maybe one or two days a week, but nothing to really build mass.

 

[evilsupaman]

Well I will be quiet honest with you in regard to juicing...i dont have that much experience. BUT, i do have about six years of training experience and quite a bit of experience using different supplements. You need to hit the training board and go natural for a longer period time. 5'10, 130lbs and 21 years old--2 months of "consistant" training. With proper nutrition, supplementation, and training you'd prolly make equal gains natural at this point in time. I can already see in a few weeks youre gonna be on here goin, "guys my sust isnt real, i'm not making any gains!" I'll just remind you in advance it's not the gear that isnt working.

 

[HighIntensity]

10 primos = 3 week cycle, it wont have even kicked in by then.

I know you are going to juice because you have it, but honestly you will just be wasting your time and money.

 

[x44]

Well I will be quiet honest with you in regard to juicing...i dont have that much experience. BUT, i do have about six years of training experience and quite a bit of experience using different supplements. You need to hit the training board and go natural for a longer period time. 5'10, 130lbs and 21 years old--2 months of "consistant" training. With proper nutrition, supplementation, and training you'd prolly make equal gains natural at this point in time. I can already see in a few weeks youre gonna be on here goin, "guys my sust isnt real, i'm not making any gains!" I'll just remind you in advance it's not the gear that isnt working.

That's basically what I've been doing now, I'm taking one Myoplex meal replacement shake a day, one GNC Pro Performance 1850, and multi vitamins. I've been making sure to eat at least 3500 calories a day, I usually hit near 4000 though (a double whopper with chease will do you NICE, fat and choloesterol's a little high, but my metabolism's so fast I burn that off quick).

I'm definately seeing some pretty good gains now, but what usually happens with me is I see some quick gains for about two or three months, then I just get stuck at one point where I just stop growing anymore, that's when I wanted to start juicing.

I really appreciate everyone's input, I'm trying to learn all I can before starting. I'm not nessassarily going or wanting to use everything that I have, I'm only telling everyone what I have in my possession for opions. Me and some friends (who've all done cycles before) bought a bunch of gear together (a lot of the primos ended up being fake), and we split them all up evenly so I didn't get quite as many primos as I wanted to.

Thanks again.

 

[big_mike]

You should probably just go with the sust. for you first time. You have enough to do 500mg/wk for 9 weeks. That is good enough for a first time.

Shoot the sust. 2x week. Every three days is good. I don't agree that it ED or EOD shoots are necessary.

After your last shot of sust. , you will wait 2 weeks, and then you will start clomid/nolvadex. Do a search and you will find plenty on PCT.

You can take milk thistle but injectibles are usually not a problem for the liver. It is the oral compounds that are hard on the liver.

I just re-read your post and saw that you have only been working for 2 months. You also did'nt mention your age. Typically people have some training experience before the start using steroids. This helps. because if you don't know how to train and have a poor diet then you won't benefit much.

How then would you take advantage of the shorter acting esters like prop in the sustanon blend??? Are you saying that it's okay for you to shoot prop e3days??? if so then you are wrong, because to take full advantage of the shorter esters, it's best to shoot ed or EOD at the MINIMUM.
my 2 cent

 

[wnt2bBeast]

I think evilsupaman said it best..I love these guys that weigh 130 and say they eat a lot.. damn i wish i could be like that.. i drive by the pizza place and gain 3 lbs..but if you say you are eating 4000 cals and are not gaining weight more power to you..then eat 5000 cals keep upping it slowly until you see weight gain..everyone hits plateaus whether they are on gear or not..look at the pros do you think they are able to always add 50lbs to their DL every couple of months? if that were true i think coleman would be DLing 2000lbs for reps by now..its natural to stall a little but you keep working to break through it whether or not you use gear..

 

[buckwheat1]

How then would you take advantage of the shorter acting esters like prop in the sustanon blend??? Are you saying that it's okay for you to shoot prop e3days??? if so then you are wrong, because to take full advantage of the shorter esters, it's best to shoot ed or EOD at the MINIMUM.
my 2 cent

If only prop was being used , then you would have to do EOD. But sust. is a blend, when the prop is down, the other ester kick in.

Doesn't matter if the blood levels go up and down a little from the prop in the sust. Over time their will be a build of the other ester and the prop will only be a small percentage of the test being released.

So it does not matter. But if you like sticking yourself and it makes you feel like it is working better than great.