Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below I just finished a 10 wk cycle of sust 250, made some great gains but i have some questions. I'm 26, 5'9 and weighing 180 15% bf. This was my first time messing with gear. I have been doing a lot of reading and some people advise differently towards the PCT, particularly towards people who use for the first time. I have already purchased some HCG, but I only have 2500iu's. I was wondering if this is enough for my PCT. I was thinking about doing 500iu's per week for 5 weeks 2 weeks after my last sust shot, plus some clen to drop more bf. Does this sound ok? Also, when can I start another cycle? I want to try something different like winnie and sust for my next cycle.
sust 250 pct and next cycle.
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hey man.
thanks for the info.
i've been reading up A LOT on HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - , definitely the best compound for getting you going post cycle. I think it's better to start the HCG before the test completely leaves your system (aka right now) then start the Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - about 3 weeks after your last injection for sustanon.
actually i've heard the best thing to do is run HCG at 500iu's every week THROUGHOUT your cycle to prevent your leydig's cells from degenerating in the first place, but you've got a good 3 week window to at least kickstart the regeneration process while you still have some exogenous test in you, i mean even if your test levels get up to 50% of their normal within a few weeks you should be fine, i think it's when your test drops to almost ZERO for an extended period of time that you run into problems,
i'd probably say something like injecting 500iu 2x a week for the next 3 weeks until you run out would be fine.
then run like 20 or 40 mgs a day of Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - for a couple of weeks after that to get your luteinizing hormone kickstarted.
it'd probably be better to get another 2500 iu of HCG but i'd say just try that and you'll probably be fine (again only from what i've read, nothing from experience). Better to spread the HCG out as doing large doses in a short period of time can cause high estrogen production and all the problems that come with it.
post some before after pics!
anyone with real experience wanna chime in?
thanks for the info.
i've been reading up A LOT on HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - , definitely the best compound for getting you going post cycle. I think it's better to start the HCG before the test completely leaves your system (aka right now) then start the Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - about 3 weeks after your last injection for sustanon.
actually i've heard the best thing to do is run HCG at 500iu's every week THROUGHOUT your cycle to prevent your leydig's cells from degenerating in the first place, but you've got a good 3 week window to at least kickstart the regeneration process while you still have some exogenous test in you, i mean even if your test levels get up to 50% of their normal within a few weeks you should be fine, i think it's when your test drops to almost ZERO for an extended period of time that you run into problems,
i'd probably say something like injecting 500iu 2x a week for the next 3 weeks until you run out would be fine.
then run like 20 or 40 mgs a day of Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - for a couple of weeks after that to get your luteinizing hormone kickstarted.
it'd probably be better to get another 2500 iu of HCG but i'd say just try that and you'll probably be fine (again only from what i've read, nothing from experience). Better to spread the HCG out as doing large doses in a short period of time can cause high estrogen production and all the problems that come with it.
post some before after pics!
anyone with real experience wanna chime in?
Papa Lion
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are you usin clomid or nolva also in your pct??? and what dose were you running?? I usually run my hcg for 2 weeks the last couple days of a sust cycle an then another 12 days at 500iu's per day alongside proviron between cycle and pct after three weeks I begin pct that gives me 3 weeks of proviron and 2 weeks hcg... I also usually hit some hcg somewhere around mid cycle!!
iHulk
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everybody has to find what works best for them both in training, dieting, AAS and PCT. For some it may take 1 cycle to get awesome gains and other a few tries. Some don't do proper PCT or diet correctly and lose a ton of their gains even after 5 cycles. It may take a bunch of cycles to get it right to really understand your own body. Even then as you age and train harder and get bigger your PCT and gear usage will adapt as well. There's no magic formula despite what any anabolic book says.
So being that you just ran Sus250 for 10 weeks, and considering its your 1st cycle, and your young age, I'd say 2500 IU of HCG should suffice. Spread the dosing out to 200iu e3d until you finish it off. Run it at the end of your cycle. Take some aromasin or light dose nolvadex (20mg ed) to counter any estrogen rebound from the sus since that will be in your system quite a few weeks even after your last shot. Run a OTC PCT for a few months and maintain the protein intake (~200 - 250 grams ed) and you'll be ready to go on another cycle in about 10 weeks.
Next cycle look to finish it off with an oral anabolic like stanz or oxandrolone and maybe take a light dose of adex or aromasin or even mesterolone throughout the cycle if you want to increase the weekly Testosterone dosage. This will keep the bloat down, estro sides at bay, and ultimately make PCT a cinch.
So being that you just ran Sus250 for 10 weeks, and considering its your 1st cycle, and your young age, I'd say 2500 IU of HCG should suffice. Spread the dosing out to 200iu e3d until you finish it off. Run it at the end of your cycle. Take some aromasin or light dose nolvadex (20mg ed) to counter any estrogen rebound from the sus since that will be in your system quite a few weeks even after your last shot. Run a OTC PCT for a few months and maintain the protein intake (~200 - 250 grams ed) and you'll be ready to go on another cycle in about 10 weeks.
Next cycle look to finish it off with an oral anabolic like stanz or oxandrolone and maybe take a light dose of adex or aromasin or even mesterolone throughout the cycle if you want to increase the weekly Testosterone dosage. This will keep the bloat down, estro sides at bay, and ultimately make PCT a cinch.
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iHulk said:
just curious, how would PCT be different/easier if he ran stanozolol or oxandrolone towards the end of his cycle?
iHulk
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when you run a highly potent androgenic compound like test for a decent amount of time, you tend to have water retention in the muscles and lipids, despite an anti-e supplementation, so when you add a potent anabolic non-aromatising steroid like var or winny or trenbolone acetate you hit the muscle with a quick acting DHT derivative that not only helps initiate squeezing the water out of your muscles by literally shrink wrapping the excess lipids around muscle fibers so you actually lose a bit of weight but gain a tremendous amount of vascularity, muscle hardness, and the contours or shape of the muscle is much more defined...10001110101 said:
