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Suspension ED or EOD
- Thread starter halfaclue
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Well that's right, jc21. Some studies have shown suspension to be at effective serum levels in as little as 10 minutes and gone in 2 hours. Several times a day is best, even though it hurts like a mutha.
BTW, looking tight, there, jc21.
BTW, looking tight, there, jc21.
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slobberknocker
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If it's suspended in oil, one shot/day is good. If it's in water, you might wanna shoot it twice/day.
speedy7
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Dude you better buy a bra with that cycle, cause your going to have some huge tits in a few weeks. lol. j/k
seriously though, if you don't know, suspension, and anadrol are killer for bad gyno and you should probably put out a little cash for some liquidex for that cycle. plus it would help with your water weight gain, cause without it, your going to gain a lot of water.
seriously though, if you don't know, suspension, and anadrol are killer for bad gyno and you should probably put out a little cash for some liquidex for that cycle. plus it would help with your water weight gain, cause without it, your going to gain a lot of water.
OK here is the whole deal. I am working out with a guy who use to do body building shows. I am thinking of doing a show in June. I started this cycle 2 weeks ago. Here goes.
Week
1 50mgs androl ED 100mg suspension EOD
2 75mg androl ED 100mg suspension EOD
3 100mg androl ED 100mg suspension EOD
4 75mg androl ED 100mg suspension EOD 50mg winny ED
5 75mg androl ED 100mg suspension EOD 50mg of winny ED
6 300mg EQ; 400mg Deca; 50mg winny ED
7 300mg EQ; 400mg Deca; 50mg winny ED
8 300mg EQ; 400mg Deca; 50mg winny ED
9 300mg EQ; 400mg Deca; 50mg winny ED
10 300mg EQ; 400mg Deca; 50mg winny ED
11 300mg EQ; 400mg Deca; 50mg winny ED
12 300mg EQ; 400mg Deca; 100mg Masteron ED
13 300mg EQ; 400mg Deca; 100mg Masteron ED
14 300mg EQ; 400mg Deca; 100mg Masteron ED
15 300mg EQ; 400mg Deca; 100mg Masteron ED
I also have clen and DNP which I will be using 2 wks DNP then 2 wks Clen. As well as NYC and yohimburn.
Feel free to critque, this is my 6th cycle, and the most in depth i have ever done. Past cylces would be a mix of D-bol; Cyp; sustanon, EQ. usually a combo of 2 of them for 10 weeks.
Week
1 50mgs androl ED 100mg suspension EOD
2 75mg androl ED 100mg suspension EOD
3 100mg androl ED 100mg suspension EOD
4 75mg androl ED 100mg suspension EOD 50mg winny ED
5 75mg androl ED 100mg suspension EOD 50mg of winny ED
6 300mg EQ; 400mg Deca; 50mg winny ED
7 300mg EQ; 400mg Deca; 50mg winny ED
8 300mg EQ; 400mg Deca; 50mg winny ED
9 300mg EQ; 400mg Deca; 50mg winny ED
10 300mg EQ; 400mg Deca; 50mg winny ED
11 300mg EQ; 400mg Deca; 50mg winny ED
12 300mg EQ; 400mg Deca; 100mg Masteron ED
13 300mg EQ; 400mg Deca; 100mg Masteron ED
14 300mg EQ; 400mg Deca; 100mg Masteron ED
15 300mg EQ; 400mg Deca; 100mg Masteron ED
I also have clen and DNP which I will be using 2 wks DNP then 2 wks Clen. As well as NYC and yohimburn.
Feel free to critque, this is my 6th cycle, and the most in depth i have ever done. Past cylces would be a mix of D-bol; Cyp; sustanon, EQ. usually a combo of 2 of them for 10 weeks.
just my 2 cents
Stillgoing
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halfaclue said:
I think the cycle needs some work (despite access to other compounds). 1- you run heavy androgens for 5wks, then go completely off androgens. You should either run an andro all the way through, or atleast to a month out. Consider going adrol 50mg a day for a longer period. No reason to up dosage so significantly for such a short period of time. 50mg per day for longer will work better for you. 2- you need to shoot susp ED. 3- I would start the winny later and run it through the show 4- I've never used masteron so I can't comment on it. 5- I don't really like deca and eq at the same time in these dosages. Maybe start deca earlier and go off it 4wks out or so.
I was told oral Winny can take away from masteron so that I should be off winny when I start it. That is why that is set up that way. The androl I was thinking of spreading out but I didn't want to retain to much water to close to the show. I can spread that out though. What is the deal with the EQ and Deca?? Why are those dosages to much or to little or just a bad combo in your opinion? I ahev never gone this hardcore. I have never been under 10% BF. I like to be built and bigger then 95% of the guys that come into the bar that i bounce at but I have never been cut. I'm looking for about 15-20lbs of muscle and losing about 25lbs of fat over the next 15 weeks.
Stillgoing
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halfaclue said:
As I said, I don't know masteron, so, that may be a valid point. When you talk about retaining water, if you mean when you "step on stage", you will accomplish that by going off most compounds in the week before the show. Adrol will not result in you holding more water than deca. Nor will suspension for that matter. Either or both can be run virtually right up to the show. In fact, I hold more water on deca than adrol or susp. I can't give you a good explanation on the deca & eq thing. They just are similar and I typically like to run one or the other. In fact, I like good eq better. The issue for you at that point is, if you run adrol through to the show, your on four compounds at that point. I simply prefer to keep it to 3 gear compounds. I'm sure others may disagree. The more compounds, the more variable the results can be. Variability is not good when your a week out and your trying to figure out why your not as ripped as you want.
If you've never been under 10% bf, make sure you have someone who really knows what they are doing helping you for the show. You can only really learn through doing it several times, and, first hand knowledge from a contest prep coach will be critical. Hope this helps.
BTW, I'm sure you know this, but, doing a show is nothing like trying to be the beefiest dude in the bar. The process is brutal. Make sure you are committed to it.
I definitely am committed. Last summer I went on a diet and went from 21% BF to 12% without any gear, jsut dieting and cardio. I wanted to make sure I wouldn't be wasting my time and that i could see it through for more then a month of dieting and I think I handled it really well, not to mention giving me a better idea as to what i will go through. I have another friend who is a nutrionist and getting her together with my workout partner has been a trip. They debate over diet techniques whenever they are around. I'm using both to help get me to where I want to be. I love lifting but have always been anti-cardio and dieting but this year all that changes. I'm tired of just seeing the outline of my abs. I want them so defined a blind person could count them.
Stillgoing
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got big? said:
What about me?? Am I big too??
How about this?
Week
1 50mgs androl ED 100mg suspension EOD
2 50mg androl ED 100mg suspension EOD
3 50mg androl ED 100mg suspension EOD novaldex
4 50mg androl ED 100mg suspension EOD 50mg winny ED novaldex
5 50mg androl ED 100mg suspension EOD 50mg of winny ED novaldex
6 50mg androl ED 300mg EQ; 400mg Deca; 50mg winny ED novaldex
7 50mg androl ED 300mg EQ; 400mg Deca; 50mg winny ED novaldex
8 50mg androl ED 300mg EQ; 400mg Deca; 50mg winny ED novaldex
9 300mg EQ; 400mg Deca; 50mg winny ED
10 300mg EQ; 400mg Deca; 50mg winny ED
11 300mg EQ; 400mg Deca; 50mg winny ED
12 300mg EQ; 400mg Deca; 100mg Masteron ED
13 300mg EQ; 400mg Deca; 100mg Masteron ED
14 300mg EQ; 400mg Deca; 100mg Masteron ED
15 300mg EQ; 400mg Deca; 100mg Masteron ED
I have never done more then a 10 wek cycle but because of back trouble in october, I fell behind in my training and cycles I had set up. I have heard after 10 weeks your body gets use to the gear and it loses its benefits. Anyone ever use for 15 weeks?
Week
1 50mgs androl ED 100mg suspension EOD
2 50mg androl ED 100mg suspension EOD
3 50mg androl ED 100mg suspension EOD novaldex
4 50mg androl ED 100mg suspension EOD 50mg winny ED novaldex
5 50mg androl ED 100mg suspension EOD 50mg of winny ED novaldex
6 50mg androl ED 300mg EQ; 400mg Deca; 50mg winny ED novaldex
7 50mg androl ED 300mg EQ; 400mg Deca; 50mg winny ED novaldex
8 50mg androl ED 300mg EQ; 400mg Deca; 50mg winny ED novaldex
9 300mg EQ; 400mg Deca; 50mg winny ED
10 300mg EQ; 400mg Deca; 50mg winny ED
11 300mg EQ; 400mg Deca; 50mg winny ED
12 300mg EQ; 400mg Deca; 100mg Masteron ED
13 300mg EQ; 400mg Deca; 100mg Masteron ED
14 300mg EQ; 400mg Deca; 100mg Masteron ED
15 300mg EQ; 400mg Deca; 100mg Masteron ED
I have never done more then a 10 wek cycle but because of back trouble in october, I fell behind in my training and cycles I had set up. I have heard after 10 weeks your body gets use to the gear and it loses its benefits. Anyone ever use for 15 weeks?
Stillgoing
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halfaclue said:
1- I like the above cycle better. You still need to run suspension ED.
2- Tons of bros use longer than 15wks. I've hit many 16-20 weekers. All my contest prep cycles were between there. 10wks your body gets used to it??? Not true. In fact, at 10 weeks your just getting going.
halfaclue said:
This cycle is idiotic.
1- You're running anandrol for too long. Well you shouldn't even touch this but since you decided to then at least be safe and use it for 4 weeks. Not 8.
2- What's the point of taking winny for 3 weeks here ? More 17aa to your 8 weeks of anadrol. Makes no sense.
3- The question should not be about Susp ED or EOD but rather about once or twice a day. Do a SEARCH and you'll know why....
4- Deca sould be used at the beginning not the end and with test. Now you'll cut off your test supply and then use Deca which can be suppressive and a libido killer if not used properly. Yup, another one who'll come here and complain how Deca sucks... learn how to use it for God's sake.
5- With such a non-sense cycle at least run an anti-E like arimidex. You're asking for gyno and looking for a "watermelon face look".
6- Masteron..........ahahahahahaha.......... and Elvis Presley is still alive.
Sweet, I was afraid that the last 4 weeks I would plateu and stop gaining. I know this being my first show that it is more for expierence then to win but to me that is kind of BS. I want to win, I want to beat out guys that have been doing this for years and most importantly i want to walk away knowing i did my homework and followed thru the best I could. Thank you for all those who contributed, feel free to keep the critqing going.
Stillgoing
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manny78 said:
In response:
1- 8wks of anadrol at 50mg is not too long. We can debate it all day, but, the fact is I have done it probably 5 times, and many bros I know have too. No one I know ever had a problem or has had elevated values after. If it was halo, where your only using to harden before the show, I would agree.
2- He is not taking winny for 3wks. Look again.
3- Agreed.
4- Issue with deca on a pre-contest cycle has nothing to do with effect on libido. On 100 grams of carbs a day or less, you have no sex drive anyway. No drug will change that. My issue with deca is I just don't like it right up to a show. Its too long acting, so its easier to hold water on it. I never used deca for contest prep period. Much prefer eq or primo.
5- If pre-contest diet is correct, he will not hold excess water as a result of these compounds. Gyno is another matter. If you are gyno sensitive or unsure of gyno sensitivity, anti-aromatose - absolutely
6- I've never used Masteron.
I hope this helps.
Stillgoing
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Stillgoing said:
In response:
1- 8wks of anadrol at 50mg is not too long. We can debate it all day, but, the fact is I have done it probably 5 times, and many bros I know have too. No one I know ever had a problem or has had elevated values after. If it was halo, where your only using to harden before the show, I would agree.
2- He is not taking winny for 3wks. Look again.
3- Agreed.
4- Issue with deca on a pre-contest cycle has nothing to do with effect on libido. On 100 grams of carbs a day or less, you have no sex drive anyway. No drug will change that. My issue with deca is I just don't like it right up to a show. Its too long acting, so its easier to hold water on it. I never used deca for contest prep period. Much prefer eq or primo.
5- If pre-contest diet is correct, he will not hold excess water as a result of these compounds. Gyno is another matter. If you are gyno sensitive or unsure of gyno sensitivity, anti-aromatose - absolutely
6- I've never used Masteron.
I hope this helps.
Also - on #5,
5- Many use nolv and/or proviron to harden up the last month before a show. Manny was addressing anti-e/aromitose for generic bulking test bloat. If you don't use throughout, definitely consider last month or so.
Re: help?
I would take Dbols instead of anadrol. mg per mg, they're more effective. 50 mg of dbols will give you a lot more than 50 mg of anadrol, and the aromatization resulting from it will be easier to control with anti-Es.
Also use Test all through your cycle. Suspension is a good choice, but twice a day 2 x 50 mg ED.
Run an anti-E. Aromasin would be perfect.
Deca is not a bad idea, but run it from week 1 till week 8 or 10. Then you might switch to EQ or even Fina.
Winny for the end.
As for Masteron, dunno which brand you're talking about. The real deal was discontinued long time ago. If its IP stuff, then forget aboutt it, it's methyltest. Of course in a perfect world, Masteron is perfect pre-contest.
I'm surprised you didn't include GH in your cycle....
halfaclue said:
I would take Dbols instead of anadrol. mg per mg, they're more effective. 50 mg of dbols will give you a lot more than 50 mg of anadrol, and the aromatization resulting from it will be easier to control with anti-Es.
Also use Test all through your cycle. Suspension is a good choice, but twice a day 2 x 50 mg ED.
Run an anti-E. Aromasin would be perfect.
Deca is not a bad idea, but run it from week 1 till week 8 or 10. Then you might switch to EQ or even Fina.
Winny for the end.
As for Masteron, dunno which brand you're talking about. The real deal was discontinued long time ago. If its IP stuff, then forget aboutt it, it's methyltest. Of course in a perfect world, Masteron is perfect pre-contest.
I'm surprised you didn't include GH in your cycle....
I have no way of getting D-bol, What about using Cyp or Sustonon as my Test source, that I might be able to do? I don't know anyone who has every had GH or used it around here. Again I am very limited due to my location. Bodybuilding can be grouped with about 10 people in a 50 mile radius. Also all my gear came from "DL" which is closed down, that is where the masteron came from.
Stillgoing
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halfaclue said:
1- You don't want to use dbol in a precontest cycle. Adrol is much better.
2- Cyp or sust would be ok, but, only early in the cycle. You want to be off of that by 8wks out and on adrol or susp
3- This is your first contest. You don't want or need to do growth. Thats ridiculous. I won my class in several state level local & regional shows, and I still have never done growth.
Look at Gilly's post on his precontest cycle. He is using the optimal compounds for precontest.
Gilly's cycle is pretty sick, I'm jealous. I can't even get my hands on half that. I used the androl before with novaldex and still held a lot of water in my shoulders neck and face. Don't know why but those were the only areas. That is why i wanted to do it in the beginning. I never used suspension so i don't know if I will hold water on that or not. I am going to make a list at home of everything I have and how much and throw out there for Bros to suggest. I am more confused now then before I posted.
Stillgoing
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halfaclue said:
I figured you would be. My suggestion is exactly what you said. List out the compounds & amounts of gear you have in a new thread titled something like "contest prep cycle - those that have done it - please help". I think you need more bros who have competed to give you advice. Its a different game than a bulking cycle or even a non-competition cutting cycle.
A good example is this: you said above adrol made you hold water. If it was on a bulking cycle it has no relevance to your upcoming pre-comp cycle. Its all about the diet. Further, with an oral or a fast acting, you will likely go off up to a week before. That will take care of any water you may have been holding due to the drug. You need good advice on that type of thing. You really need a knowledgable bro who has competed before to coach you through the diet & cycle & other contest prep matters. The first show is very difficult to get right without that.
