Suspension cycle

[fat_fuzzy]

Hello gentlemen. The basics are 5'9, 210-220 15% with 4 years of heavy lifting experience, 3 years as a competitive Oly lifter. Diet is highly regimented, as is sleeping and extensive recovery (massage, sauna etc), No cycle experience. After 3 years of listening to WADA's self righteous bullshit about 'pure performance,' I decided it's now the time to really step things up and do what I have to do, to get where I want to be.

Need to lay down some things first, the more information I give you, the better the information you give me.

RATIONALE: IF YOU DON'T CARE SCROLL DOWN
I'm a 'big' boy, I can deal with suspension ed injections. Suspension clears fast, gives the most explosive gains, and will cause me a lot less of stress with those testing bastards. So please no 'don't use susp!' Secondly, I am built for the 94kg class, I have been told this by many coaches. So the end goal is a lean 97kg. However, i do not want the large gains associated with massive dose long cycles, nor do I want to need extensive PCT, I can get done on nolva just as easily as test. I want short sharp gains that i can incorporate and take on. Olympic lifting is very strange in that sudden gains in weight will see you missing snatches the entire session. Thirdly, Australia seems to have an odd supply of good cheap suspension, more so than prop. With that rationale cleared...

QUESTIONS
I was thinking of 4 week cycles. First one being 50mg ed, with 100mg for max attempt days once a week (400mg a week) and then working up to higher doses subsequent cycles. Again I wish to stress the desired result is a few pounds that I can keep.

This raises questions:

PCT, Nolva sufficient? If I was on for 4 weeks would I even PCT?

What about HCG? I don;t think 4 weeks, even on suspension will be enough to cause shut down... but I have no experience to go by.

The other thing is water bloat? I will have arimidex handy wand was thinking .5mg eod right from the start.

This is all for now. I greatly appreciate any help given.

 

[joe d]

your om the right track for what you want. 1 would go with the 50mg ed for 4 weeks. you will need to split the dose though. so 2 shots per day is minimum. when i was running suspensions i was pinning 3x per day.

the adex sounds good. as a start. bliids mid to end cycle would tell if the adex is working well at that dose.

pct will still be needed nolva 40/40/20 at a minimum. you may need another week.

so what are your maxes as a natural? shoot me a pm if you dont want to post them here.

 

[fat_fuzzy]

your om the right track for what you want. 1 would go with the 50mg ed for 4 weeks. you will need to split the dose though. so 2 shots per day is minimum. when i was running suspensions i was pinning 3x per day.

the adex sounds good. as a start. bliids mid to end cycle would tell if the adex is working well at that dose.

pct will still be needed nolva 40/40/20 at a minimum. you may need another week.

so what are your maxes as a natural? shoot me a pm if you dont want to post them here.

Thanks for replying.

I have had people tell me I need to inject 2x a day, and some tell me one. I'll start with one for 1-2 weeks and if the fluctuations are too crazy I'll up it.

I have put aside 4 weeks for PCT and recovery, so, 40/40/20/20 seems reasonable.

PMed.

 

[joe d]

Thanks for replying.

I have had people tell me I need to inject 2x a day, and some tell me one. I'll start with one for 1-2 weeks and if the fluctuations are too crazy I'll up it.

I have put aside 4 weeks for PCT and recovery, so, 40/40/20/20 seems reasonable.

PMed.

yes the pct looks ok.

more stable test levels are better for your body. it is a fact that 2x per day will keep more stable levels than 1x per day with suspension. i hope you reconsider. its certainly not going to subtract from the cycle.

 

[nachomscl]

My test susp wrecked me. Couldn't handle more than one shot a day. As such I think gains suffered severely.

 

[joe d]

if your on a base and your using susp like a comp boost or a pre w/o boost thats one thing. for example
750mg test e ew then 50mg suspension pre w/o 3x per week. this can be handled without screwing the cycle up. its probably not as healthy as keeping even blood levels though.

on the other hand using suspension only and pinning just 1x per day you are literally going on and off cycle every day. you will get all of the sides and you will be lucky to gain a few lbs. the fluctuation is to drastic.

 

[goin on 4T]

I have been on suspension for 3 months now. Its great, I am using 100mg/day great results and a budy is taking 50mg/day and he is having great results too. Difference is I am 15 yo than he is. Start out @ 50mg and for the first 4 weeks and see how that works for you....

Thanks for replying.

I have had people tell me I need to inject 2x a day, and some tell me one. I'll start with one for 1-2 weeks and if the fluctuations are too crazy I'll up it.

I have put aside 4 weeks for PCT and recovery, so, 40/40/20/20 seems reasonable.

PMed.

 

[needtogetaas]

your om the right track for what you want. 1 would go with the 50mg ed for 4 weeks. you will need to split the dose though. so 2 shots per day is minimum. when i was running suspensions i was pinning 3x per day.

the adex sounds good. as a start. bliids mid to end cycle would tell if the adex is working well at that dose.

pct will still be needed nolva 40/40/20 at a minimum. you may need another week.

so what are your maxes as a natural? shoot me a pm if you dont want to post them here.

As i was reading the first poster I was thinking to myself " joe's going to love this one" lolol

I turned joe on to the suspension a wile back and he has loved it ever since. Talk to joe you are in good hands with him. I taught him right!!!!!!!!!!

well except Please use unleashed and postyclce during pct and then follow up pct with some bridge. Joy will agree I am sure he just forgot about it.

 

[joe d]

Hello gentlemen. The basics are 5'9, 210-220 15% with 4 years of heavy lifting experience, 3 years as a competitive Oly lifter. Diet is highly regimented, as is sleeping and extensive recovery (massage, sauna etc), No cycle experience. After 3 years of listening to WADA's self righteous bullshit about 'pure performance,' I decided it's now the time to really step things up and do what I have to do, to get where I want to be.

Need to lay down some things first, the more information I give you, the better the information you give me.

RATIONALE: IF YOU DON'T CARE SCROLL DOWN
I'm a 'big' boy, I can deal with suspension ed injections. Suspension clears fast, gives the most explosive gains, and will cause me a lot less of stress with those testing bastards. So please no 'don't use susp!' Secondly, I am built for the 94kg class, I have been told this by many coaches. So the end goal is a lean 97kg. However, i do not want the large gains associated with massive dose long cycles, nor do I want to need extensive PCT, I can get done on nolva just as easily as test. I want short sharp gains that i can incorporate and take on. Olympic lifting is very strange in that sudden gains in weight will see you missing snatches the entire session. Thirdly, Australia seems to have an odd supply of good cheap suspension, more so than prop. With that rationale cleared...

QUESTIONS
I was thinking of 4 week cycles. First one being 50mg ed, with 100mg for max attempt days once a week (400mg a week) and then working up to higher doses subsequent cycles. Again I wish to stress the desired result is a few pounds that I can keep.

This raises questions:

PCT, Nolva sufficient? If I was on for 4 weeks would I even PCT?

What about HCG? I don;t think 4 weeks, even on suspension will be enough to cause shut down... but I have no experience to go by.

The other thing is water bloat? I will have arimidex handy wand was thinking .5mg eod right from the start.

This is all for now. I greatly appreciate any help given.

this is the reason i didnt suggest adding the sups. he doesnt want them and he doesnt need them.

i agree that the added hcgenerate and unleashed would make things smoother and a little better but their not needed. this is 4 weeks of test. recovery will be a breeze and nolva is a good pct drug.