supra products boycott!!

[bumpo]

Guys the board I mod at is about to start a boycott of Supra products.

There main supplier who used to be very respected went bad and for an underground lab that is outrageous.

I will keep you posted the mods at EF will be informed as soon as we get this organized.

There are a lot of guys out there who are out hundreds of dollars because one of there distributors went bad and supra should pay for this.

 

[Juice Authority]

Bumpo, I respect what you're saying here but did you also check with the other rep that we know. He told me Supra products are on back order right now and he hopes to have the situation resolved soon. He also offered a refund if people are unwilling to wait it out. The interesting thing was that he hadn't heard of the other rep in question before. I believe this other rep is the one that many of the members at A-A are having problems with. This is what he emailed me when I asked if he knew about this other rep:

"No we do not, but we are having a delay with our orders and we hope to have this taken care of in the next week. So if any members are waiting for there order this will be taken care of asap or we will gladly send there cash back with no hard feelings.
Let us know what you find out about this guy and the addy".

Juice

 

[bumpo]

there is another guy.

we'll talk. just giving a heads up to guys on elite that there is another guy besides from the one juice is reffereing to who scammed a lot of guys.

 

[Ulter]

What is outrageous about a guy going bad for an underground lab? Anyone who would be surprised at that either hasn't been around this very long or hasn't been paying attention.
The lab wholesales the gear to a source and that is the extent of their responsibilty. It's up to you to check the source out and even that is no guarantee. Cool Hand Luke was a source here for over 3 years and a good one. One day he decided to get out of the business and he just kept the money and walked away. This scenario has been played out with dozens of good then bad sources over the last 4 years. What are you going to do, boycott Organon because he sold it?
Supra is growing too fast and can't keep up with demand. What's new with that? Some people are misplacing their frustration. The last thing we need is to lose a company like Supra just because they get behind in production or a source goes bad. Or maybe you guys would rather try to get your gear through customs again.

 

[Canuck4]

I agree with Ulter.
Its not the Supra reps fault but the supply is not enough for the demand of the products at this moment.
Lets be a little more patient and not jump into false conclusions.

 

[CrazyC]

What is outrageous about a guy going bad for an underground lab? Anyone who would be surprised at that either hasn't been around this very long or hasn't been paying attention.
The lab wholesales the gear to a source and that is the extent of their responsibilty. It's up to you to check the source out and even that is no guarantee. Cool Hand Luke was a source here for over 3 years and a good one. One day he decided to get out of the business and he just kept the money and walked away. This scenario has been played out with dozens of good then bad sources over the last 4 years. What are you going to do, boycott Organon because he sold it?
Supra is growing too fast and can't keep up with demand. What's new with that? Some people are misplacing their frustration. The last thing we need is to lose a company like Supra just because they get behind in production or a source goes bad. Or maybe you guys would rather try to get your gear through customs again.

Damn that sux, that's just part of the game i guess. Could you guys PM with somemore info about supra labs. I've heard about them before, but never really paid attention and now you all have gotten me interested in it...

or could you send me an email at [email protected]

 

[HULKSTER]

While the supply of gear is become tighter, JUST as the demand for gear is greater than ever, you still have bros bitching about having to pay a little bit more than before for top quality gear. Do you bros know what these sources have to go through? Investing thousands upon thousands to buy gear in bulk to get discount prices just so they can sell it for a profit from overseas conncections, or really risking their ass by making their own U.S. domestic labs? Plus, they have to store this shit somewhere, and since it's not their home (unless they are morons), and a public storage facility would be too risky for the "big time players", they then have to spend even more money to rent out a private building somewhere, and investing in counter-surveillance and security measures. What, do you bros think they just leave all their stored gear unattended and unwatched so that the Feds can plant a bug in their place? Plus, if your source gets busted, ARE YOU BROS GOING TO DO HIS JAIL TIME? I think not. Hell, a good many of you wouldn't even hestitate to rat out a source in order to gain immunity from prosecution. Furthermore, some of you wouldn't even be able to securely and safely get gear from overseas sources because you live in apartment complexes or with your parents, so the only way to get your shit safely without the law breaking down mommy and daddy's front door is to get it through a domestic source. So, after considering ALL the risks that domestic sources take, you damn well better believe they expect to make some money. The game isn't a charity. I'm just sticking up for some good bros I know, nothing personal against anyone on EF.

 

[CrazyC]

awsome post, your point is well taken and i agree totally

dealing is a 2nd degree felony right?

 

[HULKSTER]

awsome post, your point is well taken and i agree totally

dealing is a 2nd degree felony right?

I wouldn't know...I've never broken the law in my life

 

[CrazyC]

I wouldn't know...I've never broken the law in my life

haha


could someone PM with the prices of some of this supra stuff, I'm usually a QV only guy, but some post have got me interested in this Lab...

 

[Juice Authority]

While the supply of gear is become tighter, JUST as the demand for gear is greater than ever, you still have bros bitching about having to pay a little bit more than before for top quality gear. Do you bros know what these sources have to go through? Investing thousands upon thousands to buy gear in bulk to get discount prices just so they can sell it for a profit from overseas conncections, or really risking their ass by making their own U.S. domestic labs? Plus, they have to store this shit somewhere, and since it's not their home (unless they are morons), and a public storage facility would be too risky for the "big time players", they then have to spend even more money to rent out a private building somewhere, and investing in counter-surveillance and security measures. What, do you bros think they just leave all their stored gear unattended and unwatched so that the Feds can plant a bug in their place? Plus, if your source gets busted, ARE YOU BROS GOING TO DO HIS JAIL TIME? I think not. Hell, a good many of you wouldn't even hestitate to rat out a source in order to gain immunity from prosecution. Furthermore, some of you wouldn't even be able to securely and safely get gear from overseas sources because you live in apartment complexes or with your parents, so the only way to get your shit safely without the law breaking down mommy and daddy's front door is to get it through a domestic source. So, after considering ALL the risks that domestic sources take, you damn well better believe they expect to make some money. The game isn't a charity. I'm just sticking up for some good bros I know, nothing personal against anyone on EF.

Listen, nothing personal and I agree with what you're saying above but what does any of it have to do with a good source going bad? This Supra rep in question was one of Supra's main suppliers here domestically. He made off with not hundreds but literally thousands of dollars from people he scammed (just the ones that I personally know of).

Are you saying that that is somehow justified because he earned the right to scam people since he took the risks associated with being a source? Think about that one. Furthermore, do you not think Supra should at least be made aware of this problem and come with a reasonable solution in an attempt to set things right for these people??

The only thing worse than a narc in my book is a scammer. I can personally deal with murderers better than thiefs. Scammers make my fucking skin crawl and if a manufacturer like Supra is being represented by a scammer then they should step up and do something about it. That's just my feeling and you're free to disagree.

 

[SofaGeorge]

Bottom line is you don't blame the company because a rep went bad. Supra cannot control their reps. They can simply refuse to sell to one after he goes bad.

Taking loses is part of the game. Don't play if you can't lose.

 

[Juice Authority]

Bottom line is you don't blame the company because a rep went bad. Supra cannot control their reps. They can simply refuse to sell to one after he goes bad.

Taking loses is part of the game. Don't play if you can't lose.

I respect what you saying here and you make a good point. However, we're not talking about just a few guys that got scammed out of a few hundred dollars. This has cost quite a few people thousands of dollars and it's quite an unfortunate situation. It tarnishes the name of high quality lab since they entrusted their product with someone who has obviously turned scammer.

 

[_Yossarian_]

lol, when youre talking about a scammer, itll never be for "a few hundred bucks", and is always an unfortunate situation(especially if it's either your money, or a source that your board endorsed)...

But honestly, boycotting Supra Labs is the stupidest thing I've ever heard...where do you guys come up with this shit?

 

[Juice Authority]

But honestly, boycotting Supra Labs is the stupidest thing I've ever heard...where do you guys come up with this shit?

That wasn't my idea. Go back to my second comment on the thread.

 

[HULKSTER]

Listen, nothing personal and I agree with what you're saying above but what does any of it have to do with a good source going bad? This Supra rep in question was one of Supra's main suppliers here domestically. He made off with not hundreds but literally thousands of dollars from people he scammed (just the ones that I personally know of).

Are you saying that that is somehow justified because he earned the right to scam people since he took the risks associated with being a source? Think about that one. Furthermore, do you not think Supra should at least be made aware of this problem and come with a reasonable solution in an attempt to set things right for these people??

The only thing worse than a narc in my book is a scammer. I can personally deal with murderers better than thiefs. Scammers make my fucking skin crawl and if a manufacturer like Supra is being represented by a scammer then they should step up and do something about it. That's just my feeling and you're free to disagree.

HOLD ON THERE, I HATE SCAMMERS AS MUCH AS ANYBODY!!! I have personally felt the feeling of being scammed in the past, but not in the last couple of years. I was directing my comments towards SOME people who bitch about domestic prices being higher than overseas suppliers, when bros don't realize all the shit, aggravation and MONEY they have to go through to get this shit into the US past Customs, pay for it to be securely stored OUT of their home, etc. I would never endorse any scamming activity on any level, even if the scammer was a solid source for 10 years, got busted, and all the money he had left in the world was what he kept from his customers. What isn't yours, doesn't belong to you. That might not be the law when dealing with illegal AAS, but I would hope that sources would actually have enough morales not to be scumbags just because the law allowed them to get away with it.

 

[bumpo]

It was my idea and you can call it stupid I don't care, but i iwll never endorse a supra product again.

say whatever you want I'm not helping them, mainly because the supplier was one of teh first out there for supra when he was starting to make a name for himself. if they can figure out a compromise they everything will be cool, but if not tehre are plenty of other legit underground labs, that have betetr quality control.

I understand and agree that people go bad in this business, but I feel for my friends who lost out and if i can do anything, even if it's not endorsing there products I will do that.

 

[Ulter]

"However, we're not talking about just a few guys that got scammed out of a few hundred dollars. This has cost quite a few people thousands of dollars and it's quite an unfortunate situation. "

Cool Hand Luke left with $30,000 of our money
Jerry Lewis left with $15,000 of our money
Kevin left with $25,000 of our money, although he's in jail,
Biz, Generico, indipharm, most of the admins at the old triedia, and on and on.
And you know what? It will happen again and again because that's just what happens in this game and there is nothing anyone can do about it. Just look at the AF Scammer list and you'll see hundreds of thousands of dollars lost by people on the boards. No one likes it but it's a fact of this life.
So it's just ridiculous to blame the lab who makes the stuff.

 

[gearedup50]

Why are you blaming the lab they have no control over the distributors actions and this would be messed up to do to them! Maybe they can help out those who lost but it isnt there responsibility!!

 

[Citruscide]

Last I heard Supra labs was doing well... I heard their product was good too. I have no idea about how their reps go though.

C-ditty

 

[jubei]

The guy just took off with all that money. Well I'm sure the lab knows who the guy is. Do you think they just find reps at 7-11, never get any personal information and just start using the guy to distribute their products. I would think not, but I guess you never know.

 

[Juice Authority]

Cool Hand Luke left with $30,000 of our money
Jerry Lewis left with $15,000 of our money
Kevin left with $25,000 of our money, although he's in jail,
Biz, Generico, indipharm, most of the admins at the old triedia, and on and on.
And you know what? It will happen again and again because that's just what happens in this game and there is nothing anyone can do about it. Just look at the AF Scammer list and you'll see hundreds of thousands of dollars lost by people on the boards. No one likes it but it's a fact of this life.
So it's just ridiculous to blame the lab who makes the stuff.

Ulter, I appreciate what you're saying but I feel the lab is partly responsible for the reps they allow to represent them. Oftentimes, products are shipped to these reps on a front so in all likelihood this particular rep burned the lab too. In any case, the profit margins are fairly significant and it wouldn't cost Supra labs that much to make right on this situation. If anything, there should some sort of a middle ground reached in the form of a compromise but to say the lab doesn't bear any responsibility whatsoever for their reps isn't right either.

 

[bumpo]

The guy just took off with all that money. Well I'm sure the lab knows who the guy is. Do you think they just find reps at 7-11, never get any personal information and just start using the guy to distribute their products. I would think not, but I guess you never know.

good thinking

 

[Lift Chief]

Damn that sux, that's just part of the game i guess. Could you guys PM with somemore info about supra labs. I've heard about them before, but never really paid attention and now you all have gotten me interested in it...

or could you send me an email at [email protected]

You're interested in supra labs? Do a search. Just what information ARE you looking for here?

 

[CrazyC]

You're interested in supra labs? Do a search. Just what information ARE you looking for here?

i was looking for info as far as their product line up and how the prices are comapared to QV products and if it would be worth the switch...

 

[CrazyC]

The guy just took off with all that money. Well I'm sure the lab knows who the guy is. Do you think they just find reps at 7-11, never get any personal information and just start using the guy to distribute their products. I would think not, but I guess you never know.

i'm sure he'll be delt with accordingly

 

[bumpo]

CrazyC,

There better than QV, but there are much better underground labs and atleast you know your gear will show up from other underground suppliers.

 

[BigAndy69]

Boycott supra labs....LOL

People lose money all the time to scammers, it's part of the game...this is an illegal business.

90% of sources will scam before they retire.

 

[SofaGeorge]

"No one likes it but it's a fact of this life.
So it's just ridiculous to blame the lab who makes the stuff.

No, Ulter, you are wrong! Bumpo is going to change things so we never have this happen again.








































j/k

 

[CrazyC]

CrazyC,

There better than QV, but there are much better underground labs and atleast you know your gear will show up from other underground suppliers.

Is EQL better than Supra? What are someother underground labs?

 

[Juice Authority]

Boycott supra labs....LOL

People lose money all the time to scammers, it's part of the game...this is an illegal business.

90% of sources will scam before they retire.

I don't think anyone here is going to argue your points above. I'm not necessarily in favor of boycotting Supra labs but I do think they should look into the problem since it is their rep that ended up screwing a boatload of people, which will have an obvious negative impact on their business.

Yes, it is an illegal business but once someone gets burned with a certain product line I doubt they will order that product again even if it's through a different rep. The labs are in the game to make money and like any other business they rely on repeat customers. It's bad for business for them have a rep that turned scammer and consquently burned people out of thousands of dollars and just sit by and do nothing about it.

 

[jubei]

BigAndy, those numbers don't fill me with confidence.

 

[Juice Authority]

BigAndy, those numbers don't fill me with confidence.

Unfortunately he's right though. The problem is there aren't many other options available. I live close to TJ (about 45 minutes or so, maybe an hour) and I certainly don't feel like driving down there and dealing with the hassle of bringing gear back let alone the dirty TJ cops down there that are looking for handouts and will stake out Vet stores and harrass gringos as they're leaving. Fuck that. I'd rather take my chances with a source.

 

[CrazyC]

is there that same problem in cancun? I plan on making a trip there in the near future.

 

[bumpo]

No, Ulter, you are wrong! Bumpo is going to change things so we never have this happen again.


j/k

If rudy can play at Notre Dame the Bumpo can change an industry.

 

[drrman]

Hulkster and Ulter, i couldn't agree more. I don't see where people get their ideas about this shit... People don't see this is an illegal game and that getting scammed is part of the game

 

[bumpo]

thats fine, But I am not going to endorse there product.

 

[jubei]

I know that these labs aren't going to see this business of sources going bad as their responsibility but they should realize that its their reputation thats on the line.

 

[jubei]

I know that these labs aren't going to see this business of sources going bad as their responsibility but they should realize that its their reputation thats on the line.

 

[gearedup50]

How many UG lab owners do you know more than the net?

Better yet how many sources do you know more than the net?

Even better how many people that you met on here do you know?


Probably not to many so what makes you think that these guys or labs would know there reps personally or risk themselves so much more than you or I would meeting someone? The reps are probably people the labs knew online for a while or sources that were already in good standing and most likely they dont meet up for coffee and a sub!

Damn, I know probably 4 sources that scammed or turned scammer that carried the entire mexican line so maybe at this rate we should boycott QV, Brovel.... hell even ICN and others like that because the comoany must be somewhat to blame! Especially QV since some sources were buying directly from guys that were reps of theres so QV must be to blame!

Come on guys this post is just unbelievable!

 

[Juice Authority]

Damn, I know probably 4 sources that scammed or turned scammer that carried the entire mexican line so maybe at this rate we should boycott QV, Brovel.... hell even ICN and others like that because the comoany must be somewhat to blame! Especially QV since some sources were buying directly from guys that were reps of theres so QV must be to blame!

Come on guys this post is just unbelievable!

Come on Bro, comparing QV to Supra is like apples to oranges. First of all, QV is a legit (legal) mexican company. Secondly, they are about 1000x the size of Supra labs. Third, I think we all agree that boycotting Supra is/was a foolish, non-productive solution to the problem.

My only point on this thread is that since Supra has/had maybe two or three reps in all (actually it's more like one now) is that they should look into this problem and make the necessary corrections so shit like this doesn't happen again. A lot of people got burned and are out some serious cash. When you only have 2 or 3 reps for a product line like Supra does and one of them (the main one) turns scammer it has a serious backlash on the manufacturer.

 

[Corleone]

Hey, coolhandluke scammed people, and he was selling omnadren and Nap's, WE BETTER BOYCOTT OMNA'S AND NAPS!

Hey Kjack got me for over a thousand dollars in zambons. . .BETTER BOYCOTT ZAMBONS!

How can the company control what their reps do? This is the risk we take for getting some illegal. You never know when a source is going to quit or get busted, and unfortunately when that happens people lose money. To expect a company to reimburse is ludricious when they are risking their asses in the first place so that we don't have to deal with customs ourselves.

I've seen lab analysis of their EQ and Prop, and they came back on the dot. IMO a labs only job is to make sure their products are good, I'm sure it's not an easy task to find suppliers so they take risks the same way us consumers take risks.

Bumpo, how do you expect them to make good?

What do you expect the lab to do? Open post to the boards and say "HEY EVERYONE WHO GOT SCAMMED, EMAIL US AND WE'LL SEND YOU FREE PRODUCTS". Yea, that'd be good, let's have a lab with tens of thousands worth of products start contacting everyone, lets see how long they'll stick around before the feds bust through the door.

 

[no clone]

A very close bro of mine ordered x amount of gear from a supra rep. This particular rep obviously could not keep up with demand. He didn't have 1/2 of things my bro needed (and the order wasn't very big) He gave many excuses and one of them was that he supposedly had family problems.

It was frustrating but my bro got his gear 2 months later along with cash for the product he didn't have in stock.

Now this rep is saying he will no longer carry supra products ......I guess he got frustrated too!

 

[Johnny Cut]

The rep that is in question is a good bro, he was just having trouble with the vollume of orders coming in,....i hear everything is squared away as of now

 

[CrazyC]

Hey, coolhandluke scammed people, and he was selling omnadren and Nap's, WE BETTER BOYCOTT OMNA'S AND NAPS!

Hey Kjack got me for over a thousand dollars in zambons. . .BETTER BOYCOTT ZAMBONS!

How can the company control what their reps do? This is the risk we take for getting some illegal. You never know when a source is going to quit or get busted, and unfortunately when that happens people lose money. To expect a company to reimburse is ludricious when they are risking their asses in the first place so that we don't have to deal with customs ourselves.

again comparing apples and oranges, It's harder for an underground lab......Theie reps are all they got!!!!, they should choose them accordingly and also deal with them accoridingly

your forgeting QV and Brovel still have the cattle farmers and Doctors.

 

[Corleone]

CrazyC - So if you were the owner of a private lab, and a person emailed you and said I want to buy 5k worth of goods, you would decline?

You know there's a pretty good chance this person is going to be re-selling because who buys this large amount for personal?

Now the lab, who is in the biz to make money, should say "No sorry can't sell to you, I'd rather hold onto the stuff". I'm sorry but that's not the way business works.

It's not as easy as you think. Labs just don't choose their reps. You think they put an ad in the newspaper and interview prospective sources? They have a customer base and as it grows they find people interested in buying larger amounts and these people become reps, they're not appointed.

You guys need to get some common sense and quit using the lab as a scapegoat. I've been scammed as have many others, that doesn't mean I'm gonna quit using, I just find a new source and move on. I never make any order that is too expensive that I couldn't stand to lose it.