Supra Liquidvar - please clarify...

[Juice Authority]

Ok, I've been hearing that you're supposed to inject Supra's Liquidvar sub-q e2-3 days and it has a prolonged activity. Is Supra's var meant for subq injections ONLY?? Supposedly if you inject it IM it causes a great deal of scarring. Please only respond to this thread if you know sure. Thanks.

 

[drveejay11]

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[Juice Authority]

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[Juice Authority]

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I know, WTF? Is this such a difficult question??

 

[muscleup]

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[Juice Authority]

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[JP@Ironology]

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[drveejay11]

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[Fonz]

Ok, I've been hearing that you're supposed to inject Supra's Liquidvar sub-q e2-3 days and it has a prolonged activity. Is Supra's var meant for subq injections ONLY?? Supposedly if you inject it IM it causes a great deal of scarring. Please only respond to this thread if you know sure. Thanks.

It has an ester attached......acetate I believe. You should inject it E3D.

Fonz

 

[Juice Authority]

Re: Re: Supra Liquidvar - please clarify...

It has an ester attached......acetate I believe. You should inject it E3D.

Fonz

Sub-q???

 

[NuBNBeauty]

Re: Re: Re: Supra Liquidvar - please clarify...

Sub-q???

Yes... subQ... Per the man himself

 

[Juice Authority]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Supra Liquidvar - please clarify...

Yes... subQ... Per the man himself

Did he suggest to use an insulin point?

 

[NuBNBeauty]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Supra Liquidvar - please clarify...

Did he suggest to use an insulin point?

No he did not, however it can be done.. he did say that the injection may be a little painful.

 

[Juice Authority]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Supra Liquidvar - please clarify...

No he did not, however it can be done.. he did say that the injection may be a little painful.

Ok, so use a 30g needle or can I just use a 23g and go sub-q? Painful? Shit!

 

[NuBNBeauty]

Doesn't really matter... I would use a 30g though just not to waste a good syringe on something that will flow easily... I save those for my Primo

 

[JibbyJabba]

I am very interested to hear people's impressions of injectable Ox. Anyone currently on it?

 

[Juice Authority]

I am very interested to hear people's impressions of injectable Ox. Anyone currently on it?

It's too new and I don't think anyone really knows the best method of delivery (i.e. oral, IM or Sub-Q).

 

[Koivu_11]

huh! looks like total crap to me. An esterified version of oxandrolone would just be nothing like oxandrolone. It would be much less potent and absolutly useless. Also, esterified AAS are not meant to be injected sub-q. Stick with the real oxandrolone.

 

[Juice Authority]

huh! looks like total crap to me. An esterified version of oxandrolone would just be nothing like oxandrolone. It would be much less potent and absolutly useless. Also, esterified AAS are not meant to be injected sub-q. Stick with the real oxandrolone.

Can you please elaborate on this.

 

[Koivu_11]

of course I can explain. The 17aa group add a lot of potency. It also gives a lot of non AR-mediated effects. For oxandrolone those effects are : increased igf-1, increased creatine phosphate synthesis (both igf-1 and non igf-1 mediated), increased strenght and increased vascularity. Remove those proprieties and you've find yourself an almost useless drug. It's like removing everything that's good about var!

One of my favorite example of what the 17aa group can change an hormone is boldenone vs dianabol. D-bol is actually 17aa boldenone!

 

[Juice Authority]

of course I can explain. The 17aa group add a lot of potency. It also gives a lot of non AR-mediated effects. For oxandrolone those effects are : increased igf-1, increased creatine phosphate synthesis (both igf-1 and non igf-1 mediated), increased strenght and increased vascularity. Remove those proprieties and you've find yourself an almost useless drug. It's like removing everything that's good about var!

One of my favorite example of what the 17aa group can change an hormone is boldenone vs dianabol. D-bol is actually 17aa boldenone!

Ok, I follow the logic behind what you're saying but it doesn't apply to Supra's LiquidVar. It's still a 17aa. None of the properties mentioned above are removed. Winstrol in liquid form is still a 17aa and same with D-bol so I don't see what you're getting at.

 

[Koivu_11]

Ok, I follow the logic behind what you're saying but it doesn't apply to Supra's LiquidVar. It's still a 17aa. None of the properties mentioned above are removed. Winstrol in liquid form is still a 17aa and same with D-bol so I don't see what you're getting at.

I wasn't talking about that! I was talking about this :

"It has an ester attached......acetate I believe. You should inject it E3D." by fonz

my awnser was :
"huh! looks like total crap to me. An esterified version of oxandrolone would just be nothing like oxandrolone. It would be much less potent and absolutly useless. Also, esterified AAS are not meant to be injected sub-q. Stick with the real oxandrolone."

 

[Koivu_11]

in case you didn't know, you can't esterify a 17aa AAS.

 

[Juice Authority]

in case you didn't know, you can't esterify a 17aa AAS.

I must have missed that post by Fonz. I wasn't aware that it supposedly had an ester attached. That makes no sense and yes I was aware that you can't esterify a 17aa.

 

[TxLonghorn]

I confused.

 

[Mavy]

One of my favorite example of what the 17aa group can change an hormone is boldenone vs dianabol. D-bol is actually 17aa boldenone!

You have some great info here Koivu, havent seen you around the boards before, sound like you have a lot you could offer.

I hear you about the dbol and Boldenon comparison. Boldenone has been esterfied with the undecylenate ester making it a long acting steroid much like Deca, but Boldenone is almost identicle to d-bol. The only difference is Boldenone has been 17 beta esterfied while d-bol has been 17 alpha alkylated. This small change makes the two hormones act very differently in the body (the good thing is that Boldenone is NOT liver toxic at sane doses). But ... although dbol is hands down mg for mg more potent that EQ, EQ is still a great steroid.

I am a little confuse on the whole liques var thing also. I think that is because there are so many kinds popping up also. I know that the proline liqued var is suspended in oil can be drank. How the potency compares, I am not sure.

 

[nsashbl01]

I just put some liquid var in a tab and drank it. Nasty ass burps! I'll know more in a few days. I'm switching from Denkall to liquid.

 

[jasonstrong]

of course I can explain. The 17aa group add a lot of potency. It also gives a lot of non AR-mediated effects. For oxandrolone those effects are : increased igf-1, increased creatine phosphate synthesis (both igf-1 and non igf-1 mediated), increased strenght and increased vascularity. Remove those proprieties and you've find yourself an almost useless drug. It's like removing everything that's good about var!

One of my favorite example of what the 17aa group can change an hormone is boldenone vs dianabol. D-bol is actually 17aa boldenone!

Basically what he said....Why because 17aa's must make the first pass through the liver via oral dosing to be 100% effective, as liquid anadrol, liquid dball, and liquid var all prepared to be a sterile injectable will be less effective than the oral dosing.

Now to throw a monky wrench in my own theory-which was taken from Duchaine and Dispaquales theories-if this is true then winstrol would not work as well as the tabs if injected-in which all cases I have ever used Injectable Winstrol it has been far more effective than the tablets.

Oh My GAWD here it is the dreaded ???:
SO...CAN I DRINK LIQUID WINSTROL SUSPESNION!
Sorry could not resist...
Since the injectable var is sooo new only time and real world results will tell the tale....

 

[Koivu_11]

Basically what he said....Why because 17aa's must make the first pass through the liver via oral dosing to be 100% effective, as liquid anadrol, liquid dball, and liquid var all prepared to be a sterile injectable will be less effective than the oral dosing.

Now to throw a monky wrench in my own theory-which was taken from Duchaine and Dispaquales theories-if this is true then winstrol would not work as well as the tabs if injected-in which all cases I have ever used Injectable Winstrol it has been far more effective than the tablets.

Oh My GAWD here it is the dreaded ???:
SO...CAN I DRINK LIQUID WINSTROL SUSPESNION!
Sorry could not resist...
Since the injectable var is sooo new only time and real world results will tell the tale....

no that's not what I said. When you inject a 17aa AAS, it is not active right away. The body can't metabolize it. So, even when injected, a 17aa AAS go through the liver in order to make it active. The only difference between injectable and oral 17aa is that you waste less hormone when it's injectable because it doesn't go in the stomach (but it still go through the liver) and also you produce less liver enzymes (and it makes the whole result a little bit different but nothing drastic).

What I said is that making a esterified version and a 17aa version of a AAS makes it a completly different drug. So Oxandrolone with an ester would probably have no to little potency. That's why I said that if it is esterified, it is not worth it.

You have some great info here Koivu, havent seen you around the boards before, sound like you have a lot you could offer.

I hear you about the dbol and Boldenon comparison. Boldenone has been esterfied with the undecylenate ester making it a long acting steroid much like Deca, but Boldenone is almost identicle to d-bol. The only difference is Boldenone has been 17 beta esterfied while d-bol has been 17 alpha alkylated. This small change makes the two hormones act very differently in the body (the good thing is that Boldenone is NOT liver toxic at sane doses). But ... although dbol is hands down mg for mg more potent that EQ, EQ is still a great steroid.

I am a little confuse on the whole liques var thing also. I think that is because there are so many kinds popping up also. I know that the proline liqued var is suspended in oil can be drank. How the potency compares, I am not sure.

Thanks Mavy. I have a lot of difficulties to write all I know. I have some good knowledge, but french being my first language and not speaking english anywhere else than here and at school... I must say that it's very hard. I can't find the right words and I don't have the capacity to write a lot. Maybe I'll improve and be able to help more.

 

[Fonz]

I wasn't talking about that! I was talking about this :

"It has an ester attached......acetate I believe. You should inject it E3D." by fonz

my awnser was :
"huh! looks like total crap to me. An esterified version of oxandrolone would just be nothing like oxandrolone. It would be much less potent and absolutly useless. Also, esterified AAS are not meant to be injected sub-q. Stick with the real oxandrolone."

I was mistaken. I just got the lowdown on it.

Its not sterified at all.

Its an EXTENDED-release injectable anavar. Increases the half-life of the OX dramatically in the blood. Therefore fewer injections are needed.

Fonz

 

[Fonz]

I was mistaken. I just got the lowdown on it.

Its not sterified at all.

Its an EXTENDED-release injectable anavar. Increases the half-life of the OX dramatically in the blood. Therefore fewer injections are needed.

Fonz

The secret is in the solution used, which is obviously propietary.

Fonz

 

[Juice Authority]

I was mistaken. I just got the lowdown on it.

Its not sterified at all.

Its an EXTENDED-release injectable anavar. Increases the half-life of the OX dramatically in the blood. Therefore fewer injections are needed.

Fonz

Thanks for clearing that up Fonz...

 

[KINGKONG69]

SO what kind of dose would you take, and inject every 3 days right. and what the hell is up with a sub-q inject, are you all sure.

so would you inject like 60mgs every 3 days, or what would be equal to takin 40mgs a day of tabs.

 

[macDbol]

sounds interesting

 

[Mavy]

Ya ... I am even more confused now. Plus I am thinking of Proline LIqued Var not Supra which may be very different. Can someone put together a dosing schedule (frequency amount) if you wanted your liqued var to equal close to 40-50mgs per day in tab form? I take it that you are not suposed to take it every day now like I was going to. The stuff that I am looking at is 25mg/ml

Mavy

 

[WannaImpress]

Unless the price is dramatically low I wouldn't even bother, rather just take the pills through-out the day for consistent blood levels! JMHO!

 

[Juice Authority]

Unless the price is dramatically low I wouldn't even bother, rather just take the pills through-out the day for consistent blood levels! JMHO!

I'll let you know shortly how it goes.

 

[KINGKONG69]

JA, how are you gonna dose it

 

[Juice Authority]

JA, how are you gonna dose it

1ml - 50mg's - e3days sub-q.

 

[KINGKONG69]

are you takin it alone, or stackin it

 

[WannaImpress]

I'll let you know shortly how it goes.

Do keep us posted bro.!