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suppossed to be testing the new IGF1

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bicepts101

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im can mention the lab but they want me to test the oral igf1....its a new technology...seems pretty promising...as we all know igf1 has virtually no bioavailibility...but the stuff these guys are coming out with is specially made to accually be absorbed through your mouth...it causes a real dry mouth, buy thats the new technology doing its work...

thoughtyou guys might be interested....
 
its gonna be out in 2 weeks anyway, right?
im gonna try this shit out as well
very curious as to whether its gonna work well or not
 
From the research I have done, in order for this to work you would have to administer it every couple hours. That is what I ound. I may be wrong.

It sounds like BS to me, but let us know how it works.
 
black sheep said:
From the research I have done, in order for this to work you would have to administer it every couple hours. That is what I ound. I may be wrong.

It sounds like BS to me, but let us know how it works.


na its supposed to give you a even amount of igf for 24 hours...
 
black sheep said:
I'll be interested in the results

Have you tried regular IGF so you have a baseline?


no i havent but if it works it works...i wouldnt necessarilly call that a baseline anyway....plus this stuff is cheaper...so i may get more bang for my buck ya know?
 
lol, ORAL IGF, might as well try oral sust - come on, you know it wont work...and we wont see any human studies showing otherwise I'm sure
 
Mr.X said:
might as well try oral GH lol:
http://hgh1.com/

http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.php/masterid=3160985/mode=googlegfhb/
http://www.vitallife.net/Index.htm

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=oral+GH&btnG=Google+Search

bicepts101, nothing against you at all bro, but you know as well as I do that the oral form of IGF will not work.

Personally, I wouldn't pay more then $9.99 for it ;)
Mr.X

I agree X, It sound BS to me. I have talked to a couple of chemists about this and they call bullshit too. I am not too impressed with the other products coming from that perticular lab anyway, and the "Oral" IGF idea really puts the icing on the cake for me.

But hey, if it works, it works. We will have to wait and see after a few people waste their hard earned money on it.
 
So ... what is this "new technology" that everyone is talking about.

Oral insulin? Whats next? "Can I drink my GH" questions on the boards, lol ;)
 
john gotti jr said:
1st of all Mr. Black Sheep just because you talked to a normal (JOE BLOW)chemist dosent mean he nows about the drug technology used for this product of course he is going to say it wont work orally any (JOE BLOW)could tell you that.BUT,if any one with a half of brain could read the reserch on this then they would have an understanding on how this product works.so wont you find me some reserch that proves that this product wont work.from all the studies i have found about this there is nothing unpromising about it.and since you no so much about it did you no the same technology is going to be used on 1st pharmaceutical orally active insulin.any half wit could have told you this if they could read.

P.S. DONT LET THIS ONE POST FOOL YOU


Yeah, you make yourself look very intelligent here. You just made me want to pay to go platinum just to throw a bomb your way.

And just so you know, the chemist I talked to works for gropep. I think he might know a thing or two about IGF..... Afterall they do hold the patent on it.
 
john gotti jr said:
if you would do your homework you would know this

I stopped doing my homework when i got to college...and i still have my degree. So im gonna call BS on this too. Im still out on the idea that igf really even works. It seems like half the population is getting great results, the other half is getting nothing. And with how fragile igf is, i just cant believe that it could handle any kind of oral administration. But ill tell you what, if it does work, ill write you an essay about how stupid i am :verygood:
 
john gotti jr said:
yeah gropep a well respecteded company the igf is most likely coming from gropep and the technology orally active is not coming from them if you would do your homework you would know this

Oral IGF is just bull, it's not bioavailable orally - yes, there are petri dishishes for everything, but I wont believe that it will be orally effective...probably the same as "oral GH spray" LOL :p

Nothing against the poster or the company, I just don't like to feed members bullshit ;)
 
Mr.X said:
Oral IGF is just bull, it's not bioavailable orally - yes, there are petri dishishes for everything, but I wont believe that it will be orally effective...probably the same as "oral GH spray" LOL :p

Nothing against the poster or the company, I just don't like to feed members bullshit ;)


no bullshit is being feed here from me bro

and you are missing the point here bro...this form of igf doesnt even reach the stomach

heres some info:

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Introduction
********* has been working in partnership with a research and development company that focuses on the most effective formulations for drug delivery and drug delivery discovery. They would like to focus primarily on Pharmaceutical drugs and delivery technologies and have chosen not to currently focus on the expansion of manufacturing dietary supplements except for the few they are currently developing such as our Oral IGF-1-LR3, Anatropin. They develop new technologies to deliver drugs more effectively, conveniently, safely and with fewer side effects. This company works solely with pharmaceutical development with exception to *********. This allows them focus on our company’s needs, such as, future product development and bulk production as well as their pharmaceutical direction without distraction. Out of respect for their privacy the company name will not be disclosed.
It is customary for companies during preliminary study release of products, to use discretion for the sources revealed and the extent of formulation, pharmacological, and composition data openly published. We are using every caution to protect from false duplication and/or right infringement while we initiate open marketing of such a valuable product.

What is Anatropin
AnaTropin™ is a patent pending composition that delivers IGF-1-LR3, including other similar large peptides, to the blood. Signaling occurs from specific Insulin and Insulin-Like Growth Factor (IGF-1) receptors that regulate and transcribe the message allowing for site-specific receptor binding. Anatropin utilizes oral absorption to deliver into the portal blood allowing a sustained, pulsatile delivery resulting in a better utilization and potentially safer form of IGF administration in comparison to injection.
Pre clinical trials show that this particular form of oral absorption of Human Recombinant Insulin delivers the insulin, orally, for greater than 24 hours as well as absorbing orally at a rate of greater than 61%. Because of this pusatile motion and slow absorption into the blood, IGF can have a longer half-life per dose. The rate Anatropin mediates through the cell replicates the natural IGF secretion. This is also true with the Insulin study relative to the rate of natural, pancreatic secretion of Insulin from beta cells. This allows Anatropin to deliver at a constant equilibrium and sustained longer half-life.
Also, Anatropin will not be overdosed in the blood because it will effectively replicate natural cell mediation and the rate of diffusion into the blood will not “spike” blood plasma IGF levels where IGF is active (IGF is only active in circulatory blood).

Ground-Breaking Technology
******** utilizes a technology that is clinically proven to mimic injection yielding high bioavailability and non-degradation of the IGF-1-LR3. Current clinical trials have shown this technology to achieve near 100% bioavailability of Insulin through oral absorption. Studies show that greater than 61% Insulin is absorbed in blood plasma utilizing this technology. Currently, this Oral Insulin is beginning Phase 3 Clinical Trials.

Oral Bioavailability Study on Insulin
Our partner has completed several bioavailability studies for its Insulin drug. An independent 3rd Party Laboratory with over 30 years of clinical, toxicological and pharmacological experience has performed all studies referenced in this release. The pharmacologists’ involved have experience with such companies as; Bristol Meyer, Squibb and Dupont. We are having relevant studies conducted on Anatropin.
Their studies have revealed a minimum of 61% absorption in a 24 hour to 48 hour time period and are reported to achieve near 100% bioavailability upon further study. Currently this Insulin is undergoing a diseased study (Diabetes Induced Study) that will determine higher bioavailability in 48 hours.

Why is insulin relevant?

Insulin and IGF (Insulin-Like Growth Factor) are almost identical and IGF and Insulin share the same binding receptors. The problem with IGF is that it has only a half-life in the blood for 15-20 minutes and is not biologically active in oral administration. IGF has poor to no absorption orally. IGF is very similar, almost identical to Human Recombinant Insulin. The pre-clinical studies (which we offer for your review) can be directly correlated between the Insulin and IGF with a minimum 61% oral absorption in the blood with 24-48 hour sustainability. They have similar amino acid sequence and pharmacology.
IGF also mimics insulin in the human body. It makes muscles more sensitive to the effects of insulin, therefore allowing a person currently using insulin to effectively lower their dosages and still achieve the same response as well as the ability of IGF to keep the insulin from increasing fat.
Because of the recent pro-hormone/steroid ban, there is a need for a muscle-building supplement that is as good as 4-AD, 1-AD and 1-Testosterone. IGF at 61% absorption and 24-48 hour sustainability orally, will be better than any pro-hormone/steroid and even will be better than IGF injection because the sustainability is much longer. This remarkable technology is protected with an internationally filed patent to ensure protection against possible infringement from competitors.

Oral vs. Injectible
Current methods of delivery rely on injection to maximize dosage and to ensure no degradation of the compound occurs. Current injections of IGF can only bind a quantitative amount of IGF dependent on the receptor availability and half-life of the IGF per injected dose. Because a needle penetrating the cell surface bypasses cell-mediated endocytosis, there’s no natural cell diffusion to control the IGF’s absorption into portal blood.
Currently, the only effective forms of IGF injections include IGF-1-LR3 Media and Receptor grades. As a matter of fact, there have been recent findings proving that unregulated levels of IGF in the bloodstream can put an individual at risk of dysphasia and stomach enlargement due to IGF overdose. The Anatropin formulation eliminates this risk with its unique and precise systematic release of IGF-1-LR3 into the bloodstream during the 24-48 hour time frame of absorption. When blood levels reach a point of saturation of IGF-1-LR3 administration stops and resumes when levels reach safer concentrations.
In layman’s terms, injection administration results in an unregulated release of IGF-1-LR3 into the bloodstream, which leaves a higher risk of resultant dysphasia and stomach enlargement causing significant safety concerns. Anatropin safely administers IGF-1-LR3 into the bloodstream throughout a 24-48 hour time frame. With better utilization, Anatropin proves to be more effective and holds a significantly less chance of overdose in the blood. This fact along with completely eliminating the painful daily injections required are only a few of the advantages Anatropin holds over current IGF injections.

Benefits of IGF-1-LR3 Supplementation
Long R3 IGF-1 is an amino acid analog of IGF-1. This analog of IGF-1-LR3 has been produced with the purpose of increasing the biological activity of the IGF peptide and remains as the only feasibly effective injectable form of IGF available on the market. Long R3 IGF-1 is significantly more potent than IGF-1 and its enhanced potency is result of the decreased binding of IGF-1-LR3 to all known IGF binding proteins. These binding proteins normally inhibit the biological actions of IGF.
In early human developmental phases, IGF is responsible for the natural muscle growth that occurs. There are many functionalities of IGF in the human body including increased amino acid transport to cells, increased glucose transport, increased protein synthesis, decreased protein degradation and increased RNA synthesis. Active IGF responds differently in different types of tissues. For example, muscle cell proteins and associated cell components are effectively stimulated. Protein synthesis is increased along with amino acid absorption. Acting as a source of energy, IGF will mobilize fat for use as energy in adipose tissue. In response within lean tissue, IGF will prevent insulin from transporting glucose across cell membranes. The result of this activity will be a switch within the cells to burning fat as a source of energy.
One of the most remarkable effects of IGF supplementation is its ability to cause hyperplasia, which is the actual splitting of cells. Hypertrophy is the result of weight training, which is the increase of the size of a muscle cell, but hyperplasia signifies actual muscle cell replication. In adulthood, we reach a plateau in muscle cell count. Weight training will effectively increase the size of these pre-existing cells but still will have its limitations in effective muscle gain. IGF supplementation will actually increase the number of muscle cells present in the tissue and throughout muscle training will create the added benefit of larger, increased muscle cell counts. So in a way you are able to manipulate your genetic capabilities in relation to muscle tissue and cell generation. IGF will uniquely define the number of various types of cells present in the body. At a genetic level it has the potential to alter your capacity to build superior muscle density and design.
Although we have concentrated our focus on muscle cell development benefits, there are many more cell growth and regeneration benefits IGF has to offer including vital organ repair and growth, immune system strengthening, anti-aging benefits, fat cell decrease and overall body repair with a new found vitality.
 
john gotti jr said:
hey bros here is a link i found since some of you dont understand why am so interested in this new product maybe all of yous will have will have a better outlook on it. Hey collage boy read well an enjoy. you all be safe


http://www.outlawmuscle.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4465


more info: you all cant tell me this doesnt look promising
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Hello,
First we would like to thank everyone that has been so supportive of our latest product development involving the first ever orally active form of IGF on the market. We have gotten countless PMs and emails about this product and everyone seems to have as much anticipation for its release as we do. We have several product and company updates to discuss with members, but the most exciting is our release of sample/prototype pictures of this ground breaking product...........orally active/absorbed IGF-1 Long R3. We feel that this will better allow for you to visualize what we are trying to describe when we say oral syringes and kits.
One of the first topics we would like to discuss involves the nature of how this products works. Many people have come to us with questions about how this product can be in oral form yet still release into the bloodstream without being destroyed in the digestive process and although IBE has wanted to be as upfront as possible from our earliest stages of discussing this product release, many have been very respectful of our wishes not to disclose too much until a little closer to releasing the product mainstream. Well we have decided to give everyone what they have been waiting for.......the explanation.
Our unique formula, does not ever reach the digestive breakdown so many fear. Our hints and gestures have not been enough to satisfy the intellect of our outstanding community and really that is what we expected. So here it is......we use a technology, clinically proven for the safest most effective time release form of insulin currently patented for pharmaceutical purposes. Our supplement, although meant for injestion, is virtually impossible to physically swallow. Why? Because, our oral technology is absorbed in the throat via the lymphatic system. I am sure some have already heard of liposomal delivery technologies....well this is similar, but above and beyond the claims of existing supplement geared delivery system product claims. Our product is a paste-like gel that when squirted in the mouth will actually be absorbed/attached (completely) via the mucousa membranes in the throat. So much so, that it will actually make the individual feel extremely dry mouth due to non-salivation from the effect of the product binding. This is what we have tried to hint with our statements that our product will never reach the digestive system, liver or kidneys. This related technology will be the next household name for oral diabetic therapy for insulin....why did we hold back? Just because, a good thing can only last so long and we want to keep this product open and availible to you as long as our Big Brother will allow. We will also be supplying Blood Glucose Monitoring Kits to further prove the legitimacy of our product to all individuals choosen to sample our first production. We will have these individuals test their blood glucose levels before administration and every 3rd day interval thereafter. Most people know with the mimic of insulin, IGF significantly will drop blood glucose levels when being supplemented.....we will prove this with our oral product, OraTropin-1 Long R3. No more research grade IGF supplementation; this is the first pharmaceutical grade ORAL IGF Nutritional supplement known to man. Keep an eye out for our 2 page ad promotions in Muscular Development and Flex. etc........we are going full blown with this breakthrough including scheduled appearances at Mr. Olympia 2005.
We all know that oral IGF is virtually impossible, well actually it is. We have tried to hint around many times, but not many people were satisfied with our beating around the bush. It is a known fact, peptides of this nature will always loose integrity once entering the human digestive system and many more elaborated about potentials of stomach enlargement which is common amongst most injectible forms and tried to correlate between the similarities of oral consumption and sub q injection dangers. Although, many do not talk about some of the dangers of site injection related to stomach enlargement and blood plasma level spikes, it does not mean that these issues do not exist. Many have tried to come down on our oral resolution with the current safety issues that linger with the injectible form, but we have developed the answer. Our formula effectively adminsters doses of IGF into the bloodstream, yet has the capability of shutting off distribution when levels reach too high of a blood level content (blood plasma spikes). Several hours later, when levels have reached a safer ratio, administration will continue to restore and amplify existing blood levels of IGF. Clinical trials have already verified and further supported our claims of 24 hours consistent, sustained blood levels of IGF...........we will further support these claims with our current clinical support of 48 hour blood level replacement/enhancement. This means that even with the most trusted injectible forms, you can never completely acheive the potential of our formulation which literally allows for overlapping/double dose administration of IGF into the bloodstream. No fluctuations in levels to worry about ever again, no calculations for your next adminstration due to shortly sustained blood levels of IGF to worry about. You will only see this degree of honesty between us and the community now, after this time has come and gone we will look to be as any other supplement that has had it time in the limelight of supplement industry. We do this out of protection of our product and protect of the communities rights.
We have patent pending protection issues that have caused us to take the upmost of cautions when releasing the details of this ground-breaking supplement. Many people will want to and will try to copy our technology, but will sadly fail. We are trying to preserve the integrity of this once in a lifetime, mainstream availabilty of a supplement of this nature. I can guarantee you, it will not last forever........not by the wishes of the community, but by the forces we are all having to fight day to day to continue enjoying the lifestyle that we have grown accustomed to and love.........Anabolic Research and Growth. It is because of the similarity of structure, that we have been able to combine such available ground-breaking technology for oral delivery of insulin with our interests with IGF.
Thank you and I hope you enjoy the pics...........................
 
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